You are mixing and matching permitted uses and uses that are in violation of the t and c (for certain customers). Skype is a permitted use, it uses your data..it is a legal cheaper alternative.
- I quoted the t and c and included links to both the t and c and the FCC decree.
- I very specifically said, if you have to call up the carrier to enable personal hotspot and by jailbreaking you get it free; that is against the t and c and amounts to stealing.
- You can read the t and c and form your own conclusion.
- You have not answered my question of whether personal hotspot is enabled on your iphone by default. (I'll bet our arm chair lawyer friend does NOT have it enabled)
- You are going around discussing cheaper alternatives, circumventing fees does not consitute cheaper alternatives anymore than robbing a bank does to get an interest free loan as a cheaper alternative to a loan. (I know we can have fun with this one.
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I'm not on the unlimited plan. I've said in several places that I'm on the newer plan that includes the mobile hotspot.
You quoted the T&C and FCC decree. They're 100% irrelevant to the conversation of stealing.
MyWi has a cost. You're circumventing the Verizon fee to pay the MyWi fee. Similarly, in my example you circumvent the Verizon fees to pay the Skype fees. These are both cheaper alternatives. The entire point to circumvent the fees is to find a cheaper alternative. You're creating a scenario where people hack into their phone to turn on Mobile Hotspot. That's not what happens. They install an alternative app, most commonly MyWi or pdanet, to perform a similar function. If you go back in the history of jailbreaking, these alternatives existed prior to Mobile Hotspot. Apple integrated the idea into iOS.
Your analogy fails unless they are activating Mobile Hotspot. They're not. Your point, up until now, fits another analogy much better. You go to the first bank and the interest on your loan is 5%. You go to a second bank and get a 1% interest rate. The first bank had a clause in their paperwork that restricts you from using other banks to get a loan if you get a quote from them. Now, you're suggesting accepting the second loan is cheating because that quote had terms that disagree with you finding a cheaper alternative.
I'm focusing on cheaper alternative because THAT is the heart of where you're making your claim. MyWi is NOT Mobile Hotspot. It's an alternative app. Both have their cost. One is cheaper than the other. Verizon wants to lock people into Mobile Hotspot as it's free to them and makes income. It's amazing to me you don't see THAT as stealing. Mobile Hotspot is not the data. It's a feature that enables the phone to share internet with other local devices. You're mixing the two in your analogies and claims. It sounds like you're on the unlimited plan as well. If Verizon decided YouTube streaming had the potential to cost more and included a new clause in their T&C, that you've agreed can be updated by Verizon, that required a fee to use the YouTube app, would it be stealing to use Jasmine instead? They've traditionally had their own navigation apps for sale. If they decided Apple Maps conflicted with their product and disabled Apple Maps before a fee, would you be stealing to use Google Maps?
Why would you continue to tell me to read the T&C? If you have to rely on the T&C, it's not stealing. That SHOULD be a "simple concept." The T&C is a contract. It's not a legal definition of stealing. It doesn't provide an ethical definition of stealing. It creates the potential for a breach of contract. That's not the same as stealing. Every time you cite the T&C, you weaken your accusation of theft. They're two entirely different discussions.
I'm intentionally mixing permitted uses and uses in violation of the T&C. I'm doing this because the T&C are schizophrenic. They create ethical questions by allowing the same activity with one action while attempting to monetize it elsewhere. If you believe the act is stealing, you should believe this to be true regardless of the T&C. If you don't believe using Skype for international calls is stealing, you shouldn't believe using MyWi to tether is stealing. Similarly, if you believe using MyWi to tether is stealing, you should believe using Skype for international calls is stealing. If you don't, you're defining stealing by confusing it with breach of contract. Stealing is stealing whether a T&C document exists or not.
Your very specific statement shows you don't really understand the conversation. He hasn't enabled personal hotspot. By your very specific statement, he's not stealing. He's not stealing for two reasons: 1) personal hotspot is still disabled and 2) MyWi isn't free. You've been harping on this and calling him a thief when he doesn't even meet the conditions you've set. It's like me saying "if you send in a check on the due date every month instead of paying in another way, you're stealing." Then, I'd follow this statement by completely ignoring how you actually pay your bill, cite my original claim, and call you a thief. The initial claim doesn't really make sense. Then, I ignore what you're actually doing and claim you meet my original claim. Finally, I use those two "facts" to call you a thief. It's absurd.