1. truenorthstrong's Avatar
    I'm new to the iOS world, can someone explain what are the differences between Camera Roll, My Photo Stream and iCloud Photo Library.

    Does camera roll mean these are the photos stored on your phone, my photo stream is the photos that are synced to your Mac's iphoto for example.
    iCloud Photo Library, extra storage in a cloud?

    One problem I am also having is that my videos don't show up on my Mac in iPhoto, the pictures do automatically when I open iPhoto on my Mac but I don't see the videos unless I connect the iPhone through the cable.
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    10-21-2014 11:39 AM
  2. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    In summary: Camera roll consists of the photos stored on your device. Photostream is now iCloud Photo Library. With the previous photostream, you were limited to 1000 photos to sync and the photos would be removed from iCloud after 30 days. With the iCloud Photo Drive, the photos & videos are there for as long as you have available iCloud storage space.
    10-21-2014 12:04 PM
  3. cardfan's Avatar
    There's two separate services here that I think is confusing people.

    Photo Stream. This folder was changed to "Recently Added." But anyways, this is where the last 1000 pics or in the last 30 days go. This does NOT count against your icloud storage. But after 30 days, you won't see them on iOS devices anymore unless you saved them. On a PC or Mac, these get downloaded to your respective folders.

    Shared Photo Stream. These don't expire. If you want to "save" pics and videos, simply create a shared photo stream. These are NOT counted against your icloud storage. You can also view these from other devices and apple tv.

    iCloud Photo Libary. This is pretty confusing right now. Once enabled in settings, you'll most likely have to upgrade your icloud plan as this DOES take up icloud storage in which all your other things that use icloud such as docs, email, backups, etc...use. And here's what it does. It automatically uploads all your pics and videos to icloud. Sounds simple right? But it ALSO downloads "optimized" pics to all your iOS devices. When you delete a pic or video from one device or the icloud libary, it deletes that pic or video from everything. In the future, there will be a photos app for Mac and probably something for PC. But the only current way to access them from PC or Mac is to use icloud.com.

    What's the best Apple solution? iCloud photo library requires more expense but low maintenance but still requires space on each iOS device for the "light" version of what's stored on icloud. Shared streaming albums is free and doesn't expire but it's time consuming (if only Apple had a freaking "select all" button in the photos app). My photo stream is very limited but can put the pics on your PC or Mac. None of these are great solutions IMO.
    10-21-2014 12:47 PM
  4. cardfan's Avatar
    In summary: Camera roll consists of the photos stored on your device. Photostream is now iCloud Photo Library. With the previous photostream, you were limited to 1000 photos to sync and the photos would be removed from iCloud after 30 days. With the iCloud Photo Drive, the photos & videos are there for as long as you have available iCloud storage space.
    I'm not sure that's correct. Actually you are right but only if icloud photo library is enabled? In fact I'm not sure of anything at this point..lol But my impression is that photostream is a separate thing. My Photo Stream FAQ

    Shared photostream albums: iCloud Photo Sharing FAQ

    And icloud Photos Library: iCloud Photo Library beta FAQ
    10-21-2014 12:58 PM
  5. Ledsteplin's Avatar
    I get the feeling Apple created this mess just to milk us for more money. I won't use iCloud Photo Library. It will take up my iCloud storage space. I need that for back up. And I don't plan to buy more space. I can use Box,Dropbox and OneDrive for photo storage. I currently have 82 free gb of storage with the 3 apps. I do use iCloud Photo Sharing a bit, but sparingly.


    Sent from my ancient but trustworthy iPhone 5.
    10-21-2014 01:28 PM
  6. truenorthstrong's Avatar
    Okay Im still dumb about it but Thank you all for the clarifications.
    Under Photos settings there is iCloud Photo Library (Beta) Automatically upload and store your entire library in iCloud to access photos and videos from all of your devices.

    My Photo Stream Automatically upload new photos and send them to all your iCloud devices when connected to Wi-Fi.

    So what would be the point to have both of these clicked on? I guess if you want videos, then you need to have iCloud Photo Library on. If you have this option on, will these photos and videos be in the iPhoto on the Mac?

    What about if I have My Photo Stream off and iCloud Photo Library on, will it change anything; is my photo stream pointless then?
    10-21-2014 01:43 PM
  7. qbnkelt's Avatar
    I'm confused....
    10-21-2014 01:48 PM
  8. Ledsteplin's Avatar
    I'm confused....



    Sent from my ancient but trustworthy iPhone 5.
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    10-21-2014 02:06 PM
  9. zerog46's Avatar
    Your not the only one. I have absolutely no idea about any of the photo sharing streams or anything.

    I'm at the point where I'm just going to disable everything and use one drive.
    10-21-2014 02:09 PM
  10. truenorthstrong's Avatar
    Maybe the Photos app will make things easier on the OS X , does anyone know when that is supposed come out?
    10-21-2014 02:53 PM
  11. Ledsteplin's Avatar
    Maybe the Photos app will make things easier on the OS X , does anyone know when that is supposed come out?
    It's out! Just hot the email from Apple!


    Sent from my ancient but trustworthy iPhone 5.
    10-21-2014 04:57 PM
  12. SnapThrow's Avatar
    It's out! Just hot the email from Apple!
    No, Photos.app for Yosemite is not out until early 2015...
    10-21-2014 05:46 PM
  13. Craig's Avatar
    All I know is iCloud Photo wiped out all my photos on the Phone that were organized in folders. I could not bring them back until I went back to the normal sync with iTunes method. However now there is no way to get the photos you take on your phone to auto-populate anywhere else. I have to use 3rd party apps to move the camera photos over to the PC since iClould is now an all or nothing choice.
    10-21-2014 06:54 PM
  14. Ledsteplin's Avatar
    No, Photos.app for Yosemite is not out until early 2015...
    Yep. Got it confused. Thought he meant something else.


    Sent from my ancient but trustworthy iPhone 5.
    10-21-2014 08:19 PM
  15. Nolander07's Avatar
    I get the feeling Apple created this mess just to milk us for more money. I won't use iCloud Photo Library. It will take up my iCloud storage space. I need that for back up. And I don't plan to buy more space. I can use Box,Dropbox and OneDrive for photo storage. I currently have 82 free gb of storage with the 3 apps. I do use iCloud Photo Sharing a bit, but sparingly.


    Sent from my ancient but trustworthy iPhone 5.
    Yes, but if you are backing up your photos in iCloud, you no longer have to do that if you are using iCloud photos. It actually takes up less iCloud space if you have more than one device, since they would share the IPL and you don't have to back up both (hope that makes sense).
    10-21-2014 09:17 PM
  16. SnapThrow's Avatar
    All I know is iCloud Photo wiped out all my photos on the Phone that were organized in folders. I could not bring them back until I went back to the normal sync with iTunes method.
    This is what I ran into today when I took a look at iCloud Photo Library... for years I have moved my pics out of camera to folders on my Mac and sync'd them back via iTunes. When I clicked on iCloud Photo Library it stated that it cannot also sync photos via iTunes and all my pics would be deleted off the iPhone. What I don't understand is how I get the photos on my Mac to be part of the iCloud syncing feature...
    10-22-2014 12:16 AM
  17. Trees's Avatar
    I also think photo/video management is overly complicated with iOS and Mac. But I'm probably not using the various features correctly or to their full advantage/capabilities.

    Sometimes I think that a simple My Documents\Pictures user level file system structure in iOS would help simplify with an equivalent structure in OS X. Or why can't I just select the actual Album in iOS, and then copy that folder intact to OS X\Pictures?
    10-22-2014 10:51 PM
  18. bmodi's Avatar
    I played now a bit with the icloud photo library and here is what i found out.

    Regarding the post before that the photo management with IOS and OSX is complicated. At least i do not know any platform or solution which makes it easier. My actual setup: we have 2 iphones, 1 ipad and a Macbook. Up to now i use the, of course, foto stream to synch the photos between our devices. On the Mac i use Aperture to have structurized mediathek. And from the Mac it gets backuped via TimeMachine to a networed attached storage (NAS). Really everything is automized and i do not have to do anything. And to get this running you also nearly need to do nothing......it just works out of the box. In my opinion this is far away from comlicated. I cannot imagine that it could be easier or more comfortable......how??

    But back to icloud photo library. I tried it with 1 iphone and activated the photo library. Additional to that i also kept the Photo stream activated on that iphone. The result -> you get the photos to the new icloud photo library and additional to that, if you take new photos, you also get them - via the still activated "old" photo stream - synchronized to all other devices for which the photo library has not been activated.
    Also on my Mac i get the new photos via Aperture/old photo stream.

    Means, theoretically one could use the new icloud photo library on the IOS devices and on the Mac you still get all photos to Aperture (or IPhoto, makes no difference) to archive and organize them.


    However the web platform beta.icloud.com to view the photos in the icloud photo library is nothing to organize the new photos in projects or folders or however you would like to organize your photos. You just get them like on the IOS device in an "All photos" folder and you can view them grouped by "Moments". But thats it. I think to really use the icloud photo library we have to wait for the comming fotos app for OSX. With this i hope everything can be organized like it is possible in Aperture or IPhoto.

    Until then i will not use the icloud photo library.

    One additional thing. Even if you use the option just to keep an optimized version of a photo on the IOS device (and not the original one) after a while - if you have a huge mediathek - there will be a lot of data on your IOS device. As it looks right now it takes around 10-15% space on the IOS device. However, if you have 10GB of fotos and videos in your icloud photo library you need around 1-1,5GB on your IOS device. Not that much, but my mediathek for example grows every year around 20-30GB (yes, we make tons of photos). I just imagine, after 2 or 3 years i have nearly 100GB in the photo libraray which means around 10-15GB on the IOS device. Everytime you get a new IOS device all this data will be downloaded to it........and whats after 5 or 10 years???

    I hope there will be a solution to define, how far back the photos should be synchronized to all devices. At least i do not need 3 year old photos on all my devices.......

    Does one know if there is already a solution planned for this??
    10-23-2014 02:18 AM
  19. DS1331's Avatar
    Anyway to turn this recently deleted album out I don't want to have to delete photos twice now
    10-23-2014 09:09 AM
  20. lemieuxfan67's Avatar
    This is what I ran into today when I took a look at iCloud Photo Library... for years I have moved my pics out of camera to folders on my Mac and sync'd them back via iTunes. When I clicked on iCloud Photo Library it stated that it cannot also sync photos via iTunes and all my pics would be deleted off the iPhone. What I don't understand is how I get the photos on my Mac to be part of the iCloud syncing feature...
    Right now you can't, which is one of the reasons why the iCloud Photo Library is in Beta right now. Once the Photos app is released for OSX (early 2015) we will be able to have our iCloud Photo Library synced between iPhone, iPad, Mac, and online at icloud.com. I can understand why this is confusing for some people. Apple would have made the transition much smoother if they would have released iCloud Photo Library for all devices at the same time. Until then, we have a partial product (hence the beta tag).
    10-23-2014 12:27 PM
  21. lemieuxfan67's Avatar
    Anyway to turn this recently deleted album out I don't want to have to delete photos twice now
    No. Think of it like your recycle bin (or trash) on your computer. People hate it now...until they accidentally delete a photo and realize they can recover it from the recently deleted album.
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    10-23-2014 12:28 PM
  22. Ledsteplin's Avatar
    Anyway to turn this recently deleted album out I don't want to have to delete photos twice now
    No way to delete that album. Just do what you do in deleting photos from the camera roll, then maybe once a week go to the "Recently Deleted" album and if there's none to recover, delete them all at the same time. You don't have to delete them one at a time. They will delete after 30 days anyway. I wish we had the option to make that 3 days.
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    10-23-2014 12:38 PM
  23. DS1331's Avatar
    Yeah I mean I know what to do its just annoying to do it twice thanks though
    10-23-2014 02:23 PM
  24. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    I played now a bit with the icloud photo library and here is what i found out.

    Regarding the post before that the photo management with IOS and OSX is complicated. At least i do not know any platform or solution which makes it easier. My actual setup: we have 2 iphones, 1 ipad and a Macbook.
    OneDrive is a better, easier, more performant (upload performance) solution than iCloud Photos - even if you use Apple devices. iCloud Photo Library is THAT BAD.

    Google+ Auto Backup is also better, but lacks OneDrive's platform support and isn't built-in to the Windows OS, which most people (read: iOS users) use.

    Really, it's just better. It doesn't matter what your setup is. OneDrive has an app for all of those, and it will Update and Upload Files faster than iCloud Photo Library currently does, with way less issues like stuck uploads, reuploads for whatever reason it decides to start over.

    The Google and Microsoft Web Interfaces also perform 10x better than iCloud.com. I'm not sure what Apple is doing, but their web site performs like ****.

    iCloud Photo Library, Photo Stream, Camera Roll, etc. etc. whatever etc. etc. is confusing and the service they launched as a Beta is more like an Alpha at this point in time. It should only be on the devices of Beta Testers, because its performance is so bad that the average consumer seriously shouldn't be subjected to it at this point.

    I'm sure there are always fans who will say it works flawlessly for them, but my personal experience states otherwise, and so does the experience of countless others. There are threads all over Apple's support forums about the crappy upload speeds/sync/updating across devices/etc. of this service and people are super confused about it and Photo Stream.

    You can't even manage your photo stream from your device whenthis is on, and whoever said "Recently Added" was "Photo Stream" is 100% wrong. You can sometimes bug the Photos app to show the Photo Stream Album, which clearly says "Photo Stream", but it hides it from the User during normal use. I've done it, I've seen it. What was in there and on my computer via iCloud for Windows was not equivalent to what was showing in "Recently Added" on the device, and deleting a Photo from Moments or whatever doesn't delete it from Photo Stream, at least on my machines/devices.

    You basically have to have another device that can access your photo stream to manage it, because its impossible from iOS 8 once you turn on iCloud Photo Library (some iOS device that hasn't updated to iOS 8, a Mac that can access Photo Stream, or a PC with iCloud for Windows or iCloud Control Panel with Photo Stream Support installed).
    12-26-2014 12:53 AM
  25. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    Right now you can't, which is one of the reasons why the iCloud Photo Library is in Beta right now. Once the Photos app is released for OSX (early 2015) we will be able to have our iCloud Photo Library synced between iPhone, iPad, Mac, and online at icloud.com. I can understand why this is confusing for some people. Apple would have made the transition much smoother if they would have released iCloud Photo Library for all devices at the same time. Until then, we have a partial product (hence the beta tag).
    It's beta because of the quality of the service and client software, not because they simply haven't released the desktop client.

    If they released the desktop client tomorrow and dropped the beta tag without some significant updates to the service quality, it would be borderline scandalous, IMO.

    The service shouldn't even be beta at this point. It should be preview - and even that's being generous.

    The entire Windows 10 Preview (a completely Operating System, mind you) is currently further along than this service.

    It's should not be this difficult for a company the size of Apple, with their talent, develop a decent solution. Google did it. Microsoft is further along when you remove the fluff and consider the details that matter most (like not taking several hours to upload < 100MB of Photos and propagate them to other connected machines). Amazon, Dropbox... Even Startups have implemented the basic underpinnings of this type of service flawlessly in a fraction of the time it's taking them.

    I wonder how long this was actually in development before they threw it in there...
    12-26-2014 12:55 AM
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