1. scruffypig's Avatar
    I've yet to have a reboot on iOS 8 beta 2. I'm humming along quite stably.
    This is the forum for iOS 7.
    06-27-2014 12:46 PM
  2. scruffypig's Avatar
    Depends how much you use the device, which apps, and if you're a light user or a heavy user. If you use Maps, Safari, FaceBook, Camera, you're not running stably as they all have known bugs & crash quite often. Doesn't always require a device reboot, though sometimes does, but are indeed crashes. Have you ever been on Safari or Facebook, and the app just quits & dumps you on the home page. That is a crash. Go to 'Settings/General/About/Diagnostics & Usage/Diagnostic & Usage Data' and you'll be able to see the amount of crashes, watchdog triggers, app panicks, reboots, etc. You be amazed how many things are crashing on a daily basis.
    I have never had those apps crash. Now, I am not running iOS 8, which is in beta, which makes the big difference.
    06-27-2014 12:47 PM
  3. warcraftWidow's Avatar
    This is the forum for iOS 7.
    True but the comment I was replying to mentioned getting frequent reboots on the iOS 8 betas.
    06-27-2014 12:48 PM
  4. acerace113's Avatar
    I only notice safari reload tabs after I use it for a long time (usually 1 hour). If I remember correctly safari keeps the last page you visit and the current page in memory for every tab you have open. Also zooming in on a web page uses more ram, the more you zoom in the more ram safari will use.
    As for twitter refreshing I get that every time I exit the app and go back in no matter what, even if it's the only app running it will still refresh on its own.
    As for other apps it varies for me, I could have Facebook, Safari, music, and google plus all open and switch between them all without any app refreshing, other times I could have Facebook and Safari open and both will refresh. This is what I've noticed on my 5S.
    On my 4S it varied on what apps I had open and using (as of iOS 7.0.3). On my iPod touch (iOS 7.0.4/6, iOS 7.1) Safari would refresh tabs on me depending on how "heavy" the web page was. If my iPod had to render a lot on a web page more than likely it would refresh the tab if I switched.
    One thing I have noticed that mobile sites won't refresh, or if they did it was rare.


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    06-28-2014 08:02 AM
  5. kdude12345's Avatar
    Of course I've had apps crash both during the beta and on released versions. And yes I know all about the crash logs, etc. although I don't obsess about them. If they are not affecting my usage of the phone, I'm not bothered by them. Any computer system has those "hidden" crashes and events which get logged. Ever peered at Windows event manager and logs? or osx system logs?
    Anyway I use my phone heavily although perhaps different apps than you. I was just relaying a different experience with regards to reboots.
    OK, great, then you do know about the crashes & stability issues. Yes, I'm IT/techie type, I'm in Windows Event Manager & Crash Dump Logs, as well as OSx logs all the time. There's no obsession with them, in fact I prefer not to have to go to them, but when there is a loss of functionality, loss of data, prevents productivity & use, causing unreasonable delays, I have no choice but to go to the logs & chase down the issuer & try to resolve it. The thing about iOS7 & iOS8 beta, is they are definitely not 'hidden crashes', they are fundamental and prolific, and do in fact cause loss of functionality, loss of data/progress, prevent productivity & use, cause unreasonable delays & lockups, and in some cases a full blown warm or cold reboot. If you use Safari, the Camera, Maps, FaceBook, Global Search, and/or run several concurrent apps, then you have to encounter these more significant crashes, not 'hidden ones that don't affect my usage', as they are known, documented, & remain unresolved by Apple at this time, so you'd have no choice but to encounter them. And they do reboot your device as frequent as once a day, but as less frequent as once a week. That is assuming you use Maps, Camera, Safari, Global Search, Facebook, or the lockout screen, like most people do. And rather than me trying to convince or enlighten you, your best bet is to read for your yourself, use this site's bug lists for each iOS with comment threads, that document quite a few, or better yet, go to the source....Apple Support site & forums, do a couple simple searches on outstanding bugs, that cause minor or major user hindrance & device limitations, for iOS7 production release & iOS8 beta, and you'll be inundated with significant known, documented, & outstanding bugs for both iOS's. A boat load, and in the main apps like Maps, Camera, Safari, Global Search, Facebook, or the lockout screen. They unavoidable with even moderate usage. I mean Maps & Safari alone have tons & tons... All of the info is there plain as day for folks who choose to look at it.
    06-28-2014 11:55 PM
  6. warcraftWidow's Avatar
    OK, great, then you do know about the crashes & stability issues. Yes, I'm IT/techie type, I'm in Windows Event Manager & Crash Dump Logs, as well as OSx logs all the time. There's no obsession with them, in fact I prefer not to have to go to them, but when there is a loss of functionality, loss of data, prevents productivity & use, causing unreasonable delays, I have no choice but to go to the logs & chase down the issuer & try to resolve it. The thing about iOS7 & iOS8 beta, is they are definitely not 'hidden crashes', they are fundamental and prolific, and do in fact cause loss of functionality, loss of data/progress, prevent productivity & use, cause unreasonable delays & lockups, and in some cases a full blown warm or cold reboot. If you use Safari, the Camera, Maps, FaceBook, Global Search, and/or run several concurrent apps, then you have to encounter these more significant crashes, not 'hidden ones that don't affect my usage', as they are known, documented, & remain unresolved by Apple at this time, so you'd have no choice but to encounter them. And they do reboot your device as frequent as once a day, but as less frequent as once a week. That is assuming you use Maps, Camera, Safari, Global Search, Facebook, or the lockout screen, like most people do. And rather than me trying to convince or enlighten you, your best bet is to read for your yourself, use this site's bug lists for each iOS with comment threads, that document quite a few, or better yet, go to the source....Apple Support site & forums, do a couple simple searches on outstanding bugs, that cause minor or major user hindrance & device limitations, for iOS7 production release & iOS8 beta, and you'll be inundated with significant known, documented, & outstanding bugs for both iOS's. A boat load, and in the main apps like Maps, Camera, Safari, Global Search, Facebook, or the lockout screen. They unavoidable with even moderate usage. I mean Maps & Safari alone have tons & tons... All of the info is there plain as day for folks who choose to look at it.
    Nope. I don't run into issues with those apps. Wouldn't know about Facebook but the others you list work fine for me. I do not get forced reboots at least once a week. I'm not saying you don't have those problems, but I do not and not because I'm a not a "folks who choose to look at it". I'm a developer-mainly server side Java and web type stuff but I've done a bit of iOS development as well. I certainly have the technical skills to look into crashes and forced reboots if I was having them. But I don't.
    06-29-2014 01:13 AM
  7. kdude12345's Avatar
    Nope. I don't run into issues with those apps. Wouldn't know about Facebook but the others you list work fine for me. I do not get forced reboots at least once a week. I'm not saying you don't have those problems, but I do not and not because I'm a not a "folks who choose to look at it". I'm a developer-mainly server side Java and web type stuff but I've done a bit of iOS development as well. I certainly have the technical skills to look into crashes and forced reboots if I was having them. But I don't.
    Interesting... As a developer, your tech skills should definitely be above par. You must not use the built in Maps or Safari, as both have several major issues, like I mentioned known, documented, and unresolved bugs, including server side issues with Maps, where the Route functionality hangs, or does nothing, doesn't follow your live vehicle progress, or the app crashes, and Safari has memory leaks, hangs, & crashes, where it just quits, and you're booted back to the home screen. Does matter who uses any iPhone, as I said, these bugs are known, documented, & unresolved at the moment, so if you use those apps to any significant degree, at some point, on some kind of regular basis, you'd have to encounter them. There's just no way around it. So either your usage & duration in those apps is very light or nil, or these things are happening & your just not taking notice. As I mentioned in the last post, just goto to Apple's Support site & forums, and take a look at the list of outstanding bugs, and read some of the user comments. The facts are that these bugs are there and are corroborated with 1000s of users & confirmed by Apple, and there are several iOS level serious bugs that cause the de vice to hang, watch-dog, reboot under certain fairly common circumstances, again documented, corroborated, and acknowledged by Apple, and since you're a developer, you should know about the list of bugs in the integration & SDK package, which translate to run-time bugs & crashes within 3rd party apps, that are not the developing parties fault, as they are Apple integration bugs & limitations, soooo...kind of amazing, and actually pretty much impossible, that you use the apps in any significant manner and have no crashes or reboots at all, unless you simply don't use the device or those apps very much, or at min, maybe don't use them in a significant enough manner, where the device & apps are just not pushed hard enough to see the problems manifest.

    There's not much else that can be said... The facts, physics, and reality involved are known by 1000's & verified by Apple, and they just don't change or disappear, for a certain user, sooo....just doesn't add up. I'll leave it at that. No point in continuing this further,
    06-30-2014 09:39 AM
  8. warcraftWidow's Avatar
    Interesting... As a developer, your tech skills should definitely be above par. You must not use the built in Maps or Safari, as both have several major issues, like I mentioned known, documented, and unresolved bugs, including server side issues with Maps, where the Route functionality hangs, or does nothing, doesn't follow your live vehicle progress, or the app crashes, and Safari has memory leaks, hangs, & crashes, where it just quits, and you're booted back to the home screen. Does matter who uses any iPhone, as I said, these bugs are known, documented, & unresolved at the moment, so if you use those apps to any significant degree, at some point, on some kind of regular basis, you'd have to encounter them. There's just no way around it. So either your usage & duration in those apps is very light or nil, or these things are happening & your just not taking notice. As I mentioned in the last post, just goto to Apple's Support site & forums, and take a look at the list of outstanding bugs, and read some of the user comments. The facts are that these bugs are there and are corroborated with 1000s of users & confirmed by Apple, and there are several iOS level serious bugs that cause the de vice to hang, watch-dog, reboot under certain fairly common circumstances, again documented, corroborated, and acknowledged by Apple, and since you're a developer, you should know about the list of bugs in the integration & SDK package, which translate to run-time bugs & crashes within 3rd party apps, that are not the developing parties fault, as they are Apple integration bugs & limitations, soooo...kind of amazing, and actually pretty much impossible, that you use the apps in any significant manner and have no crashes or reboots at all, unless you simply don't use the device or those apps very much, or at min, maybe don't use them in a significant enough manner, where the device & apps are just not pushed hard enough to see the problems manifest.

    There's not much else that can be said... The facts, physics, and reality involved are known by 1000's & verified by Apple, and they just don't change or disappear, for a certain user, sooo....just doesn't add up. I'll leave it at that. No point in continuing this further,
    WhateverI can accept that your experience is different than mine, why can't you do the same? And yes I frequently use Maps and Safari and do not have the troubles you are referring to.
    06-30-2014 10:00 AM
  9. fiercerunner's Avatar
    Let's just be honest here. iOS 7 is horrible and iOS 6 was way better. I don't know what the heck the developers were thinking. They didn't do jack-diddly-squat with the performance of the iPhone by updating to iOS 7. All they did was change the appearance. That's it. Everything else quite frankly just took a straight-up nose dive. I wish I could go back to iOS 6, but it seems there is no way to do that. How unfortunate. I suppose the only way to fix my problems now would be to go buy an iPhone 5 or higher, which apparently runs better with iOS 7.

    I wonder if that's a coincidence? Or perhaps making iOS 7 a bit too much for the 4 or 4S was so that users feel compelled to go get a newer iPhone? Hmm... just like the sleek and slippery texture of the iPhone that makes it ridiculously -- no -- laughably easy to drop? But it's okay if they drop it because they'll probably be compelled to just buy another iPhone anyway! Hooray for profits!

    I might be spouting off assumptions, but really, Apple makes me wonder sometimes. It really does.
    08-01-2014 09:46 AM
  10. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    Let's just be honest here. iOS 7 is horrible and iOS 6 was way better.
    Since we're being real honest, you will find people who agree and disagree with your assumption.
    I don't know what the heck the developers were thinking. They didn't do jack-diddly-squat with the performance of the iPhone by updating to iOS 7. All they did was change the appearance. That's it.
    Does Control Center, iTunes Radio and Auto-App updates, iCloud Activation lock and AirDrop ring a bell?
    Everything else quite frankly just took a straight-up nose dive. I wish I could go back to iOS 6, but it seems there is no way to do that. How unfortunate. I suppose the only way to fix my problems now would be to go buy an iPhone 5 or higher, which apparently runs better with iOS 7.

    I wonder if that's a coincidence? Or perhaps making iOS 7 a bit too much for the 4 or 4S was so that users feel compelled to go get a newer iPhone?
    It's simply business.
    Hmm... just like the sleek and slippery texture of the iPhone that makes it ridiculously -- no -- laughably easy to drop?
    Of course, carelessness or even a mere accident has nothing to do with it, right?
    But it's okay if they drop it because they'll probably be compelled to just buy another iPhone anyway! Hooray for profits!

    I might be spouting off assumptions, but really, Apple makes me wonder sometimes. It really does.
    It's all good....
    08-01-2014 11:16 AM
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