1. jmr1015's Avatar
    This discussion has made me curious of one thing though... I wonder how ridiculous fast the iPhone 5S would manhandle its way through iOS 6 if it were 64-bit optimized
    10-13-2013 04:09 PM
  2. tigerinexile's Avatar
    Yes, Apple should allow downgrades.

    The last o/s or two can get a bit laggy for each device -- my old iPad 1 was not great on iOS 5.1.1, and I'd have happy downgraded it to iOS 4.x to have it run zippily again.

    Will they? Doubtful. Partly because of pride, partly because of the upgrade cycle.
    10-13-2013 08:00 PM
  3. natasftw's Avatar
    No. Everyone had the choice to upgrade or not buy a new device with iOS 7 on it.
    That's not really a reason to support your position. That's if I ignore the huge assumption you make in this claim.

    Consider meals. If you eat steak for dinner tonight and have chicken tomorrow, does that mean you shouldn't be allowed to have steak the following night because you had the choice to continue eating steak and opted to have a night of chicken?

    It's entirely impossible to know how you'll interact with any given OS without actually interacting with it. As each iOS ages, apps slowly stop continuing support for older OS builds. This likely has a greater impact on "adaptation" than "amnesia."

    It's interesting to me that you believe you should have the choice to use iOS, as you please. But, you simultaneously believe others should be denied the ability to use the iOS they please.

    Now, about that assumption. With any tech, things happen. If someone makes the decision to avoid an upgrade and remain on an older iOS build, things can happen and require a restore. The restore only allows the most recent iOS. You cannot reasonably claim that everyone using the most recent iOS did so purely by choice unless you consider opting to leave their phone broken as an option.
    10-13-2013 08:24 PM
  4. natasftw's Avatar
    This discussion has made me curious of one thing though... I wonder how ridiculous fast the iPhone 5S would manhandle its way through iOS 6 if it were 64-bit optimized
    Which benefit of a 64-bit proc do you see the 5s making use of?
    10-13-2013 08:26 PM
  5. ThePinkChameleon's Avatar
    Wow...This is a great question. On the surface, it is easy for me to say yes, but I'm not so sure. What percent of customers would actually keep using the older OS if given the choice? Some would, but I don't think they'd be in the majority, and being that people want the latest and greatest, especially in regard to technology, why wouldn't Apple make it so that people couldn't revert back to older versions? Still, a part of me think that they should compromise and allow a 6-month or so timeframe for customers to make the transition to the latest version. Heck, I don't know. I haven't even had coffee yet....lol
    I have mixed feelings on this as well. Looking at a most technical point of view & having the option to go back one iOS version could get sticky because, think about it. You update to the newest, you absolutely LOVE it the first week...your app updates start flowing in and yeeaahhh, let's get in those updates ! Lol. Fast forward, 2 weeks later. Not so happy anymore. Ok, well Apple will let you roll back from iOS7 to iOS6.1.3. GREAT!! Let's do it. BUT WAIT....what about those apps you use faithfully that are now only iOS7 capable.... Here's where the "uhh-oh" comes in. So then you have to roll back, but in addition, find new apps to replace the ones you faithfully used because iOS6 doesn't support them anymore. So no, not a good idea.

    BUT WAIT....there's more lol.

    Now, on the other side of th coin....yes I feel that you should be able to roll back. My reasoning being 1) some are really struggling with the way iOS 7 "flows" in and out. Getting motion sick from the animations. Or 2) users that are just really, really struggling with the overhaul of the iOS and perhaps anxiety is setting in (?)

    It really is a hard coin toss to say if Apple should allow it or not....(if it were to ever become an option)
    Just_Me_D likes this.
    10-13-2013 08:30 PM
  6. warcraftWidow's Avatar
    You have a point about people who had to restore for some reason or another. (Although honestly I really don't know what people do to their devices. I've never had to restore an iDevice since 2008.)
    But for anybody else who upgraded and is now complaining, iOS 7 has been widely publicized since mid-June. If they upgraded without doing the proper research, I feel that that is their own fault. Apple has followed the same procedure for years so it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that they can't downgrade.
    But for anybody, if they don't upgrade they are going to have problems because many app developers start only supporting the newest iOS version. And then those people come here and complain that their favorite app no longer works because they didn't want to upgrade their iOS. They want to have it both ways-not upgrade their iOS version and have all the latest updates to their favorite apps. In many cases you can't have both.
    Fausty82 likes this.
    10-13-2013 08:33 PM
  7. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    I have mixed feelings on this as well. Looking at a most technical point of view & having the option to go back one iOS version could get sticky because, think about it. You update to the newest, you absolutely LOVE it the first week...your app updates start flowing in and yeeaahhh, let's get in those updates ! Lol. Fast forward, 2 weeks later. Not so happy anymore. Ok, well Apple will let you roll back from iOS7 to iOS6.1.3. GREAT!! Let's do it. BUT WAIT....what about those apps you use faithfully that are now only iOS7 capable.... Here's where the "uhh-oh" comes in. So then you have to roll back, but in addition, find new apps to replace the ones you faithfully used because iOS6 doesn't support them anymore. So no, not a good idea.

    BUT WAIT....there's more lol.

    Now, on the other side of th coin....yes I feel that you should be able to roll back. My reasoning being 1) some are really struggling with the way iOS 7 "flows" in and out. Getting motion sick from the animations. Or 2) users that are just really, really struggling with the overhaul of the iOS and perhaps anxiety is setting in (?)

    It really is a hard coin toss to say if Apple should allow it or not....(if it were to ever become an option)
    I know, right...(laughing)....Still, it's not a secret that Apple wants total control of the iPhone experience, and if they want to keep that control then no, they shouldn't allow users to downgrade the iOS.
    ThePinkChameleon likes this.
    10-13-2013 08:54 PM
  8. Fausty82's Avatar
    Now, on the other side of th coin....yes I feel that you should be able to roll back. My reasoning being 1) some are really struggling with the way iOS 7 "flows" in and out. Getting motion sick from the animations. Or 2) users that are just really, really struggling with the overhaul of the iOS and perhaps anxiety is setting in (?)
    Simple fix. Apple should allow the ability to turn off features that cause physical issues like vertigo with the parallax effect. Stick the setting in Accessibility settings... oh, wait, never mind. They already did.
    10-13-2013 08:58 PM
  9. ThePinkChameleon's Avatar
    Simple fix. Apple should allow the ability to turn off features that cause physical issues like vertigo with the parallax effect. Stick the setting in Accessibility settings... oh, wait, never mind. They already did.
    Yes they did. But what I was referring to was the motion of how the apps or folder appears to draw in or out when unlocking your device &opening/closing an app , if that makes sense.
    My mother has some medical issues & owns an iPad mini..but aft seeing how my phone functions on iOS7, she can't upgrade hers because it affects her in a negative way & I turned off the parallax just because I felt no 'need' for it. Now my parents aren't tech savy, dont read blogs etc. so they look to me to help them as much as I can with what I know, or can learn. What if they weren't able to "rely" on me, & upgraded without knowing the outcome of the "total ios overhaul". This is where I feel that you should be able to downgrade in this given case....
    Jerry_ likes this.
    10-13-2013 09:07 PM
  10. Speedygi's Avatar
    I'm of the opinion that you should be able to. You paid for the device and you should have the option to go back if you want.
    10-13-2013 09:10 PM
  11. jmr1015's Avatar
    You did pay for the device... you did not pay for the OS. Apple gives that away... year after year. For free.

    As others have said, Apple didn't force anyone to upgrade. Maybe be patient and research before diving in to a new iOS. But expecting Apple, and 3rd party app developers, to spend money to continually support people who want to flip flop to older versions of the already free OS is asking a bit much. If you had to pay for new versions of iOS, like Windows or OS X... then of course, switching back is and always should be an option. I'm sure Apple would be fine with charging for iOS if you really want to go that route.
    Fausty82 likes this.
    10-13-2013 09:37 PM
  12. WhiteSpir1t's Avatar
    I'd really like that. By now, Apple has probably gotten rid of the certs/shsh blobs. Lost cause? Heck, lets start petitioning! I'm sure it will float since Apple does listen to it's customers.


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    10-13-2013 09:46 PM
  13. Fausty82's Avatar
    I'm of the opinion that you should be able to. You paid for the device and you should have the option to go back if you want.
    And no one is taking your right to that opinion away. But Apple will not let you go back to an earlier version of iOS once you’ve upgraded IF they are no longer signing the old version... Where would it end? Should I be allowed to install iPhone OS 1.0 on my original iPhone at this point?
    10-13-2013 09:47 PM
  14. melbsteve's Avatar
    wouldn't allowing it mean the first step towards fragmentation of an OS? Something Apple users to this day (fortunately) didn't have to bother with?
    10-13-2013 10:58 PM
  15. pappy53's Avatar
    I get that not everyone likes it. But the press is full of walk-throughs and reviews... with the exception of someone buying the new model of the iPhone, we all made the choice to upgrade. Maybe this is one of the reasons that iOS is one of the least fragmented mobile operating systems around...
    There are a lot of older people that do not see walk-throughs and reviews. All that they see is that an upgrade is available, so they click on it. I think that Apple should hold the previous version open for reinstall for at least two weeks. Don't you test drive a car before you buy it?
    10-14-2013 12:28 AM
  16. Fausty82's Avatar
    There are a lot of older people that do not see walk-throughs and reviews. All that they see is that an upgrade is available, so they click on it. I think that Apple should hold the previous version open for reinstall for at least two weeks. Don't you test drive a car before you buy it?
    Only after reading the reviews... and we’re talking about upgrading an operating system on a phone, not buying a car. But I suppose the phrase caveat emptor applies to both situations.

    Do you just go around pushing buttons and clicking links without understanding what you’re doing or what the effect will be?
    10-14-2013 12:57 AM
  17. pr1nce's Avatar
    This is a tough question. I kinda agree with Pink. On one hand I think Apple should allow downgrades to the previous version maybe for a week. But on the other hand I understand that Apple wants to control the product and the iOS experience.
    ThePinkChameleon likes this.
    10-14-2013 01:03 AM
  18. Fausty82's Avatar
    There are a lot of older people that do not see walk-throughs and reviews. All that they see is that an upgrade is available, so they click on it. I think that Apple should hold the previous version open for reinstall for at least two weeks. Don't you test drive a car before you buy it?

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    10-14-2013 01:07 AM
  19. Garz's Avatar
    I say no
    jmr1015 likes this.
    10-14-2013 01:10 AM
  20. rayz336's Avatar
    No. Everyone had the choice to upgrade or not buy a new device with iOS 7 on it.
    If you had to restore for any reason then you didn't necessarily have a choice in the matter of upgrading or not.
    10-14-2013 01:13 AM
  21. rayz336's Avatar
    wouldn't allowing it mean the first step towards fragmentation of an OS? Something Apple users to this day (fortunately) didn't have to bother with?
    There is already fragmentation of the platform because not all devices get the latest updates or features of the new OS
    Jerry_ likes this.
    10-14-2013 01:15 AM
  22. rayz336's Avatar
    As others have said, Apple didn't force anyone to upgrade. Maybe be patient and research before diving in to a new iOS.
    The problem with saying this is that if you have to restore for any reason you are forced to upgrade to the latest software version because they won't sign any other blobs
    10-14-2013 01:23 AM
  23. richu75's Avatar
    There IS a choice. You exercised it when you clicked the Update Software button. If you dont want it, dont do the upgrade. And definitely dont upgrade the moment you see the link. Do the research and then make your choice. There were tons of articles and reviews out within days of the initial beta release... and certainly a plethora of reviews, praise and criticism were published everywhere long before the 09/10/13 GM release and the 09/18 GA release.

    Research is no substitute for a hands-on experience.
    The only way the get that hands-on is to load your own device, with all your apps on it, with the new iOS. And then your stuck if, for any reason, you don't like it.

    I don't necessary dislike iOS7, but it's nowhere near the same polished user experience as iOS 6 was (not yet).
    Also consider the old devices, 7 is really slowing down the 4 and (according to my wife) the 4s.

    Not so happy anymore. Ok, well Apple will let you roll back from iOS7 to iOS6.1.3. GREAT!! Let's do it. BUT WAIT....what about those apps you use faithfully that are now only iOS7 capable.... Here's where the "uhh-oh" comes in. So then you have to roll back, but in addition, find new apps to replace the ones you faithfully used because iOS6 doesn't support them anymore. So no, not a good idea.
    There is already a mechanism in place to offer older apps to devices that run old iOS versions (think iPhone 3G).
    Apple now lets old iPhones download suitably old apps | The Verge

    Maybe you won't be able to restore your backup, either iOS or in-app backup, but you could still use the older version of the app.
    10-14-2013 03:26 AM
  24. warcraftWidow's Avatar
    Research is no substitute for a hands-on experience.
    The only way the get that hands-on is to load your own device, with all your apps on it, with the new iOS. And then your stuck if, for any reason, you don't like it.

    I don't necessary dislike iOS7, but it's nowhere near the same polished user experience as iOS 6 was (not yet).
    Also consider the old devices, 7 is really slowing down the 4 and (according to my wife) the 4s.



    There is already a mechanism in place to offer older apps to devices that run old iOS versions (think iPhone 3G).
    Apple now lets old iPhones download suitably old apps | The Verge

    Maybe you won't be able to restore your backup, either iOS or in-app backup, but you could still use the older version of the app.
    Only if a developer chooses to offer it. And in many cases where the app uses server communication they can't offer it because the API to the server changed and the old version wouldn't work at all.
    10-14-2013 07:14 AM
  25. richu75's Avatar
    Only if a developer chooses to offer it. And in many cases where the app uses server communication they can't offer it because the API to the server changed and the old version wouldn't work at all.
    Seems obvious that if the API is dropped there is no further means of communication between the app and a (web)service.
    First statement is not quite true. Apple has all previous apps on file, and offers them accordingly to older iOS versions. This is not a decision the developer makes as far as I know.
    10-14-2013 07:26 AM
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