1. dc9super80's Avatar
    So Apple is the first company to successfully implement a near-perfect biometric identification device into a mobile phone and the potential to revolutionize security, but the hardware "brings nothing new to the table". LOL

    Ok then!
    Working biometrics, 64 bit processor, better camera (maybe the highest in MP count, but arguably the best all round smartphone camera), excellent industrial design, but no, nothing new to the table?

    I wonder what other companies are doing other than increasing their numbers in terms of specs? I wonder if that is what everyone lauds as being innovative?
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    09-22-2013 04:59 PM
  2. dc9super80's Avatar
    I agree. Most of the other posters are off the mark. Take a breath everyone. The OP seems like he's giving a decently thought out opinion. Take a seat fanboys. Disagree, but don't be dismissive, I say.
    No, it was not well thought out at all. His definition of innovation and bring something new to the table is lacking.
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    09-22-2013 05:00 PM
  3. Fausty82's Avatar
    Working biometrics, 64 bit processor, better camera (maybe the highest in MP count, but arguably the best all round smartphone camera), excellent industrial design, but no, nothing new to the table?

    I wonder what other companies are doing other than increasing their numbers in terms of specs? I wonder if that is what everyone lauds as being innovative?
    To quote Phil Schiller at the WWDC keynote: "Can't innovate, my @$$"...
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    09-22-2013 05:01 PM
  4. z33dev33l's Avatar
    I must say though, while I'm enjoying the OS, I have never seen a more blindly faithful and outright rude moderator. I'm pretty sure he approved this post strictly to make a mockery of it. At WPCentral, we acknowledge our shortcomings and try to sell you on the plus sides. Here the moderators are more like, "No, you're wrong, our OS is perfect, you're inferior." There is no call to be such an elitist over a phone OS. They all have their benefits and they all have their flaws.
    09-22-2013 10:19 PM
  5. kch50428's Avatar
    I must say though, while I'm enjoying the OS, I have never seen a more blindly faithful and outright rude moderator. I'm pretty sure he approved this post strictly to make a mockery of it. At WPCentral, we acknowledge our shortcomings and try to sell you on the plus sides. Here the moderators are more like, "No, you're wrong, our OS is perfect, you're inferior." There is no call to be such an elitist over a phone OS. They all have their benefits and they all have their flaws.
    you could not be more wrong.
    09-22-2013 10:25 PM
  6. Fausty82's Avatar
    First of all, my name is Lance. I'm a junior developer at a firm that I won't reveal right now because I like making a mockery of others online and I'd rather my actions not be associated with them.
    I must say though, while I'm enjoying the OS, I have never seen a more blindly faithful and outright rude moderator. I'm pretty sure he approved this post strictly to make a mockery of it.
    Hello, Mr. Pot... have you met Mr. Kettle?

    I think you’re just busy trying to start trouble.
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    09-22-2013 10:29 PM
  7. z33dev33l's Avatar
    Not at all, I enjoy the iPhone but the elitist ideals that some people have here is somewhat disturbing. Sure, I insult people but I came here to say Apple was finally headed towards something revolutionary and it just needed a bit extra and I'm met with a few good responses and then mods who are outright rude.
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    09-22-2013 11:14 PM
  8. Fausty82's Avatar
    Not at all, I enjoy the iPhone but the elitist ideals that some people have here is somewhat disturbing. Sure, I insult people but I came here to say Apple was finally headed towards something revolutionary and it just needed a bit extra and I'm met with a few good responses and then mods who are outright rude.
    Please dial back the rhetoric. You may be able to sell the drama over in the WP forums... but we don’t need/want it here. You came in here talking about mocking people, then accuse the mods of mocking you? Really... SMH
    09-22-2013 11:30 PM
  9. z33dev33l's Avatar
    I acknowledged the fact that I do enjoy mocking others online and in case I elected to do so I'd rather not do so as a liaison for our organization. I did not make a mockery of anyone, that was all on the part of the mods. I simply implied that Apple was finally making a phone that fits well for me and I was met with absolute disdain. If you act as though your device is perfect, they have no reason to improve it. You have to pinpoint those flaws and grind them like crazy so the company, Apple in this instance, will improve upon them.
    09-22-2013 11:48 PM
  10. cckgz4's Avatar
    Despite the drama ensuing, although I left the iPhone 5 for a different reason, I'm also a WP user. I haven't fully checked out the new iOS 7 fully but until there's a bigger battery in the next iPhone, I'll admire from afar.
    09-23-2013 12:07 AM
  11. z33dev33l's Avatar
    The battery life is actually pretty good. I don't use it as heavily as I haven't delved into the games and apps a whole lot and don't know what worthwhile RPGs there are aside from Square Enix games but I'm impressed with the battery life nonetheless. It's certainly better than any Android phone I've ever used.
    09-23-2013 12:51 AM
  12. cckgz4's Avatar
    ^^^ That's good to hear. My iPhone 5 would die before the end of the day, and I was sick shelling out $30 for another charger when my old one became useless
    09-23-2013 01:52 AM
  13. doublebullout's Avatar
    I switched to WP 7 / WP 8 from an iPhone, primarily because of Apple's refusal to make the lockscreen useful. I really like WP 8 and my Lumia 920 very much. However, I'm probably going to be switching back to an iPhone because of the notification center and control center access that iOS 7 allows from the lockscreen. Finally!
    09-23-2013 09:04 AM
  14. PJLips's Avatar
    I agree 100%! I was digusted by all the negative reactions by all those fanboys. This makes me ashamed to use an iPhone 5 as my daily driver. Come on people! Just because a product works best for YOU doesn't mean it works best for EVERYBODY! I used iPhones, Androids, BlackBerry's and WP's, every OS has its positives and negatives. Get off the Apple Kool-Aid and acknowledge that your beloved iOS isn't without its flaws.
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    09-23-2013 09:06 AM
  15. PJLips's Avatar
    He could not be more right.
    09-23-2013 09:21 AM
  16. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    (snipped) Come on people! Just because a product works best for YOU doesn't mean it works best for EVERYBODY!
    And just because it doesn't work best for YOU, don't get ticked off at me for liking how well it works for me. Better yet, don't come here and tell me how it sucks for you, as if I really want to know, but then be dismissive of me when I reply with how well it works.
    I used iPhones, Androids, BlackBerry's and WP's, every OS has its positives and negatives.
    That is so very true, and yet, despite that fact, you opt to ignore those words and harp on people who are enjoying their devices.
    Get off the Apple Kool-Aid and acknowledge that your beloved iOS isn't without its flaws.
    That's the misconception that you have. No one here is saying that the iPhone is without flaws. Those people are saying how well it works for them. You and a few others, on the other hand, want to twist their satisfaction into something it is not or call them mocking names because they are content with the Apple products they've purchased, as if they shouldn't be, simply because YOU are not. At least that's how I see it.
    Last edited by JustMe'D; 09-23-2013 at 10:56 AM.
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    09-23-2013 09:49 AM
  17. Nogitsune Micah's Avatar
    As a windows phone fanboy, I was hoping to see a good review that could persuade me to stay with the Iphone 5S(I have one now and I am having trouble adjusting to it) but this was...not a good review. SMH

    LOL I could likely give a good review that is far less biased as this :P
    09-23-2013 10:32 AM
  18. warcraftWidow's Avatar
    As a windows phone fanboy, I was hoping to see a good review that could persuade me to stay with the Iphone 5S(I have one now and I am having trouble adjusting to it) but this was...not a good review. SMH

    LOL I could likely give a good review that is far less biased as this :P
    Well-reasoned and non-inflammatory reviews and discussions are always welcome.
    09-23-2013 10:38 AM
  19. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    As a windows phone fanboy, I was hoping to see a good review that could persuade me to stay with the Iphone 5S(I have one now and I am having trouble adjusting to it) but this was...not a good review. SMH

    LOL I could likely give a good review that is far less biased as this :P
    ​Go for it...
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    09-23-2013 10:52 AM
  20. projectman's Avatar
    I agree. Most of the other posters are off the mark. Take a breath everyone. The OP seems like he's giving a decently thought out opinion. Take a seat fanboys. Disagree, but don't be dismissive, I say.
    He admits to being a fanboy, which is not a crime. The fact that a self-proclaimed fanboy from a non-iOS platform can give a moderately positive review is saying something. Doesn't seem like a troll to me. Thanks, OP for an assessment from your perspective.
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    09-23-2013 11:04 AM
  21. z33dev33l's Avatar
    I'll be writing up a full review once I've spent a bit longer with the device. I likely should've referred to this as initial impressions. For the record, I am using it today and the only major issue Im having is the low level of Facebook integration
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    09-23-2013 11:17 AM
  22. jdhooghe's Avatar
    Thank you for your opinion however coming from WP8, I have to say that WP8 is a long, long way off to being decent. You cannot customize notifications, the live-tiles are not live and only update intermittently or not at all. PDF support is basically non-existent(or has that changed?) especially when Microsoft stresses work functionality. Having an app list is ridiculous but I guess it works as WP8 doesn't have too many decent apps. Honestly the UI gets even more stale than iOS as there is no backgrounds or anything, just solid color and live-tiles that are basically showing the same things all the time. Basically when Microsoft can do nothing except rail on the iPad not having a usb(when Microsoft touts cloud storage at that; completely hypocritical), a keyboard(which is simply untrue, you can get a keyboard for it if you want) and a frickin' kickstand? *LOL* It's absolutely mind-blowingly hilarious. WP8 is a long way off from being anything except maybe something to use mobile office and I already have that now thanks to Apple.

    The first big update did nothing(well, it bricked my 920, does that count?). The second update brought nothing. When you say that iOS brings nothing new to the table, I have to only laugh.
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    09-23-2013 02:03 PM
  23. jdhooghe's Avatar
    I'll be writing up a full review once I've spent a bit longer with the device. I likely should've referred to this as initial impressions. For the record, I am using it today and the only major issue Im having is the low level of Facebook integration
    What facebook integration are you talking about? I rarely got facebook notifications on my 920 and get them instantly on my phone(i5) now. I can setup a facebook account on iOS and it integrates perfectly. I have facebook messenger that instantly allows me to communicate on my i5. The facebook chat integration that you're talking about only drained battery on my 920 pre and post Portico. I always left it off. I always leave facebook messenger on (on my i5) and I have less than 1% idle battery drain with it and whatsapp running.
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    09-23-2013 02:06 PM
  24. jdhooghe's Avatar
    Look, I'm not a blind follower who drinks the apple flavored kool-aid but I do admire the product finally. It's no longer some archaic OS on mid-rangey hardware. It's a perfectly functional OS that compliments the hardware excellently. My only problem is that it doesn't offer anything new or profound, everything I can do on it, I do on my Windows Phone now, usually in less swipes and with more uniformity across it. It's beautiful, just not revolutionary YET and I emphasize the word, "Yet" because I truly feel that it could be now.
    Yes, you are. This is the problem with your type. You go into other forums, rail on the other phone in a disrespectful manner and when people come to defend it, you get all ****-hurt and you start calling people iSheep. I have been to WPCentral and it and CrackBerry are filled with a bunch of children who like to call Apple users iSheep and call everything uninnovated while turning a blind eye to their own company of choice and how little, and I mean very little, they bring to the table. GDR2 and GDR3 was and will be a joke. People like you turn a blind eye to how little each new Windows Phone hardware brings to the table. A 41 MP camera? Ok, what else? Tell me any software innovations Microsoft has made.

    Tell me how you can customize notifications. Tell me how you can choose colors that you want instead of a pre-collection of colors. Tell me how live-tiles are actually live. Tell me how you have a notification center or and easy way to access quick settings. Tell me how a Microsoft work phone has top notch PDF support. Tell me how I have don't have to unclench my teeth every time I update because there is a risk of bricking my phone. Tell me why the touted cloud storage option is any different than Apple's. Tell me what innovation WP8 or Nokia or HTC has brought. Tell me. Tell me how you have a half-assed voice assistant that is a knock-off from Siri. Tell me how the sync software is top-notch. Tell me how XBox games revolutionized mobile gaming. Tell me how it can play any video format. Tell me about the enthusiast program and how Microsoft always keeps their promises. Tell me how to go into multi-tasking mode and easily kill apps. Tell me how you have independent volume and ringtone profiles. Tell me what apps you have to make my life easier.


    No, factually. It was an OS that hadn't received a significant UI upgrade since it was released in what? 07? 08? Now they finally brought it up to speed and made it intuitive. Prior to this it was a static sea of icons that was dependent on the apps to sell the device. Now, it's an OS to be reckoned with.
    Don't. Just don't. Anyone who has been with Windows Phone knows the situation with updates. Go ahead and list all the updates your phone got and the features that were added. Go on. Show us what Microsoft does for its users.

    I must say though, while I'm enjoying the OS, I have never seen a more blindly faithful and outright rude moderator. I'm pretty sure he approved this post strictly to make a mockery of it. At WPCentral, we acknowledge our shortcomings and try to sell you on the plus sides. Here the moderators are more like, "No, you're wrong, our OS is perfect, you're inferior." There is no call to be such an elitist over a phone OS. They all have their benefits and they all have their flaws.
    I have been on WPCentral and you are simply using rose-colored glasses while over there. With all due respect, open your eyes and take off the glasses. You are posting like this and don't expect people to respond to you? Should we all bow down to your logic and smash our iPhones and go out and buy a clearly inferior product?

    Not at all, I enjoy the iPhone but the elitist ideals that some people have here is somewhat disturbing. Sure, I insult people but I came here to say Apple was finally headed towards something revolutionary and it just needed a bit extra and I'm met with a few good responses and then mods who are outright rude.
    Again, open your eyes when you go back to WPCentral. You admit you insulted people and you expect them not to defend themselves? Really? Yes. Apple is always heading to something revolutionary that the others attempt to adopt. Android leads to revolutionary things which others attempt to adopt. Yet WP8 and BlackBerry? Nope. Sorry but if you're not seeing anything extra with all the shortcomings of Windows Phones then you will never switch. I'm sorry but as you stated in your OP, you are what they call a fanboy and will never see anything revolutionary because you don't want to. You want to stick to a brand out of loyalty not out of functionality and how the company keeps its promises and how it delivers.
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    09-23-2013 02:40 PM
  25. unstoppablekem's Avatar
    Factually? No... in your opinion. Which I reject.
    Do you ever have anything nice to say to people? Because honestly, I have never seen you say one nice thing, or at least in a long time. Respect others, even if they have different opinions.
    09-23-2013 04:07 PM
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