1. Fausty82's Avatar
    Apple will provide you any iOS software updates that it may release from time to time, up to and including the next major iPhone OS software release following the version of iPhone OS that originally shipped from Apple on your iPhone, for free.

    For example, if your iPhone originally shipped with iPhone 2.x software, Apple would provide you with any iPhone OS software updates it might release up to and including the iPhone 3.x software release.

    The problem with this is that there's no clear timeline, something that says 'after such and such a date, your handset will no longer receive updates or security fixes.' That would be clear and concise. It would mean that owners wouldn't have to keep track of which iOS they had on the phone originally and what they have now.

    And yes back in the day iPod owners did have to pay...
    I don’t want to beat a dead horse...but while what you quoted may be Apple's written policy, it doesn’t hold true in all cases. For example, the iPhone 4 was released in June 2010 with iOS 4. The iPhone 4 will continue to support, to some extent, the new iOS 7, which is 2 major updates beyond that published policy. (According to the policy, the iPhone 4 was eligible for iOS 4 and iOS 5 only.) Had that policy been strictly enforced, there would have been no iOS 6 or iOS 7 for the iPhone 4.

    The same was true of the iPhone 3GS - upgradable to iOS 6.

    My point is that as long as the hardware can support it to a reasonable extent, the new software, that software will be made available for that device.

    And you are correct in that Apple used to charge for iOS updates for iPods... We’ve come a long way, baby!
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    07-31-2013 01:52 PM
  2. John Yester's Avatar
    Also the factor of replacing the battery to keep an existing iPhone operational costs nearly $100, many people simply go for the newest iPhone version, with more powerful hardware and operating system...

    Resistance is futile!!!! lol


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    07-31-2013 01:58 PM
  3. John Yester's Avatar
    Also take into account for Apple pushing iPhone 4 in India the past year.....
    07-31-2013 02:06 PM
  4. Rockdog97's Avatar
    I don't see why or how anyone could justify not upgrading.


    Tappin and Talkin from my iPhone 5
    I love my JB too much, that's how I justify it.. Now if a JB comes out for IO7, then I'll reconsider.. but to me, there is just too many pluses to my a JB'd phone to change that. YMMV..
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    07-31-2013 04:55 PM
  5. jerseykirby's Avatar
    I have decided to go ahead and try out the Beta finally, it is a refreshing update I will say this. Very fluid even for a Beta, appealing to the eyes, easy to use still. A lot of added functionality, the works. I will say this though, I find it to be a bit lackluster. I realize this may contradict what I said previously but it is currenty how I feel about the update. I guess I was just expecting something more from Apple other than a reskin to the current iOS I suppose. The added functionality is amazing don't get me wrong, I just feel it's too little too late. They did perfect it though, in a way most can't it just works and is a great addition but like I said I expected more. My fault though, not Apple's. They aren't going to lose ground anytime soon with this update nor do I feel they will lose customers, they are most certainly headed in the right direction.
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    08-02-2013 11:15 AM
  6. Fausty82's Avatar
    I have decided to go ahead and try out the Beta finally, it is a refreshing update I will say this. Very fluid even for a Beta, appealing to the eyes, easy to use still. A lot of added functionality, the works. I will say this though, I find it to be a bit lackluster. I realize this may contradict what I said previously but it is currenty how I feel about the update. I guess I was just expecting something more from Apple other than a reskin to the current iOS I suppose. The added functionality is amazing don't get me wrong, I just feel it's too little too late. They did perfect it though, in a way most can't it just works and is a great addition but like I said I expected more. My fault though, not Apple's. They aren't going to lose ground anytime soon with this update nor do I feel they will lose customers, they are most certainly headed in the right direction.
    Wow. That was confusing.

    Is it "a refreshing update" or just "a reskin to the current iOS"?

    Is it "appealing to the eyes" or "a bit lackluster"?

    Is the "added functionality ... amazing", did Apple "perfect it ... in a way most cant", does "it just works and is a great addition" apply to iOS 7 or is it still "a bit lackluster"?

    You say you expected more, but you spent the first couple of sentences raving about iOS 7... maybe you need to pick a side...
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    08-02-2013 02:29 PM
  7. jerseykirby's Avatar
    Wow. That was confusing.

    Is it "a refreshing update" or just "a reskin to the current iOS"?

    Is it "appealing to the eyes" or "a bit lackluster"?

    Is the "added functionality ... amazing", did Apple "perfect it ... in a way most can’t", does "it just works and is a great addition" apply to iOS 7 or is it still "a bit lackluster"?

    You say you expected more, but you spent the first couple of sentences raving about iOS 7... maybe you need to pick a side...

    I just didn't clarify, it's a refreshing update for someone who was expecting less than I was. I take nothing away from the newest iOS but I was expecting a bit more from Apple. More custimization options, a bit more freedom with the layout. Let it get down to brass tax and it looks just like older versions just a different skin. You can't deny it. There were some much needed utility upgrades that were needed in my opinion but it just feels the same to me. To put things a bit more simple for you, it feels like I jailbroke iOS 6 added a theme and a utility tweak for wifi and bluetooth for quick access and did nothing more. Something can be beautiful to look at but still be "boring" for a lack of a better word. Do I like customization? Yes I do. Do I find even Android to get boring at times? Absolutely. I'm the most indecisive person ever when it comes to phones lol, but I said it many times. I expected more. That is all.
    08-02-2013 03:56 PM
  8. Eileen89's Avatar
    I just didn't clarify, it's a refreshing update for someone who was expecting less than I was. I take nothing away from the newest iOS but I was expecting a bit more from Apple. More custimization options, a bit more freedom with the layout. Let it get down to brass tax and it looks just like older versions just a different skin. You can't deny it. There were some much needed utility upgrades that were needed in my opinion but it just feels the same to me. To put things a bit more simple for you, it feels like I jailbroke iOS 6 added a theme and a utility tweak for wifi and bluetooth for quick access and did nothing more. Something can be beautiful to look at but still be "boring" for a lack of a better word. Do I like customization? Yes I do. Do I find even Android to get boring at times? Absolutely. I'm the most indecisive person ever when it comes to phones lol, but I said it many times. I expected more. That is all.
    I can't help but to think Apple isn't finished yet and we still might find some nice surprises once the final product is released.
    jerseykirby likes this.
    08-02-2013 06:45 PM
  9. anon5664829's Avatar
    What is it exactly that you want? Are you upset that there isn't a widget to do the same thing for you that opening an app does? Are you upset that IOS 7 doesn't give you face unlock, or folder preview, etc? Or is it that you cannot 'choose' your keyboard, live wallpaper, or other third party function? One of my favorite gripes by those who make it known to all as to why they are 'jumping ship' to android is that they are sick of the 'walled garden' and want a platform where Apple doesn't make all of their choices for them. So they scream from their pedestal of how it's good riddance to Apple....and then the 'I'm back' thread inevitably pops up several months later. Why? Because they soon realize that they experienced tradeoffs to have all of that 'choice'. They realized that they spent more time customizing their device to try and get it to work efficiently than they did just using it. They realized in order to minimize the lag, or poor battery life, they had to disable most if not all of the 'innovative features' for the phone to run as they wish. Why do you think that in the iphone 5 forum, there are maybe 5 or 7 threads that get new posts daily whereas in the GS4 there are nearly 5x as many? Because they are littered with people trying to figure out what the hell they just did to screw up their device, or how to fix something that isn't working as planned. But alas, hail 'choice'!

    There is truly no reason to take this any further. You are disappointed with IOS 7 and its patch job. You are disappointed in Apple and their lack of a 'one more thing'. Well, stand in line with everyone else then. Because from the Nexus 4, to the HTC One X, to the RAZR to the GS4.....there hasn't been a 'one more thing' for quite some time....
    Inevitably? I'm staying with Android because I see no major tradeoff.
    08-02-2013 07:42 PM
  10. finn5975's Avatar
    Inevitably? I'm staying with Android because I see no major tradeoff.
    I'm a bit perplexed as to why you are quoting me for your revelation when my comments were never directed at you in the first place.
    I'm also a bit surprised since it was only weeks ago that you were beyond ecstatic to make your return to the iPhone due to iOS 7.
    I assume this grand admission means you will no longer be gracing us with your presence. I bid you a fine ado.
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    08-02-2013 08:07 PM
  11. anon5664829's Avatar
    I'm a bit perplexed as to why you are quoting me for your revelation when my comments were never directed at you in the first place.
    I'm also a bit surprised since it was only weeks ago that you were beyond ecstatic to make your return to the iPhone due to iOS 7.
    I assume this grand admission means you will no longer be gracing us with your presence. I bid you a fine ado.
    umm no. I'll still be buying the iPhone 5s and I will use iOS on the iPhone but not as my primary OS like previous years. so no need to bid me farewell I'm staying here.
    08-02-2013 09:19 PM
  12. BLiNK's Avatar
    crap.
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    08-03-2013 12:23 AM
  13. swarlos's Avatar
    I can't help but to think Apple isn't finished yet and we still might find some nice surprises once the final product is released.
    For sure with Beta 5 I think we'll see even more changes. Already a few things I noticed design wise that they changed.
    08-03-2013 01:20 AM
  14. swarlos's Avatar
    crap.
    At least he's no Alexan81! Hahaha but getting close.
    08-03-2013 01:42 AM
  15. finn5975's Avatar
    At least he's no Alexan81! Hahaha but getting close.
    Oh man pullin out the Alexan81 reference! Nice! I think his avatar was something like Woody from Toy Story.
    swarlos likes this.
    08-03-2013 02:34 AM
  16. swarlos's Avatar
    Oh man pullin out the Alexan81 reference! Nice! I think his avatar was something like Woody from Toy Story.
    Haha yeah good times!!
    08-03-2013 02:43 AM
  17. anon5664829's Avatar
    At least he's no Alexan81! Hahaha but getting close.
    What are you guys talking about it...
    08-03-2013 05:48 AM
  18. reeneebob's Avatar
    All I know is that the more I hear about the betas , the more I want apple to hurry up so I can upgrade.

    Can't wait.
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    08-03-2013 10:30 AM
  19. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    All I know is that the more I hear about the betas , the more I want apple to hurry up so I can upgrade.

    Can't wait.
    Same here. It's taken all I have to this point to keep from paying the $99 to beta test it...lol...By the way, it's been awhile. How've you been?
    08-03-2013 11:01 AM
  20. jerseykirby's Avatar
    I can't help but to think Apple isn't finished yet and we still might find some nice surprises once the final product is released.

    This is exactly what I am hoping.
    anon5664829 likes this.
    08-03-2013 01:24 PM
  21. dannejanne's Avatar
    Same here. It's taken all I have to this point to keep from paying the $99 to beta test it...lol...By the way, it's been awhile. How've you been?
    It's enough to register your UDID with a developer. I did it at iphonebeta.com for $5.
    08-04-2013 09:04 AM
  22. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    It's enough to register your UDID with a developer. I did it at iphonebeta.com for $5.
    Thanks, but I'll just wait until its officially released......I made it this far so I can wait a tad bit longer.
    08-04-2013 09:27 AM
  23. reeneebob's Avatar
    Same here. It's taken all I have to this point to keep from paying the $99 to beta test it...lol...By the way, it's been awhile. How've you been?
    Super busy - everyone is on holidays so I'm covering a lot of hours. I've been run off my feet ... But still got caught up on Breaking Bad.
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    08-04-2013 06:18 PM
  24. domini99's Avatar
    Is beta 4 already there? Havent followed that for some time.
    Beta 4 should give some speed improvements on the iphone 4 i heard.


    Sent from my jailbroken iPhone
    Siri logics:
    > Im bleeding very badly call me am ambulance!
    < OK, from now on i'll call you "an ambulance", is that okay?
    08-07-2013 05:54 AM
  25. Bazza1's Avatar
    Based on reactions so far, let the raging begin -

    iPhone or Android? Who cares!

    and

    Frosted Glass Effects: Why I Switched to Android After All These Years

    It may be the current iOS does everything you need with a minimum of strain on you, or your iDevice. Maybe you'll simply want the new OS because its the new OS or maybe, maybe, it'll actually have features you need. Or it may be that a completely different OS supplied by a completely different manufacturer works best for you. Whatever.

    Only you as the user of your own personal device can make that call - no fan'dism or raving against you online should dissuade you otherwise. I'll try iOS 7 when it comes out. If it doesn't work for me, there are options.
    Last edited by Bazza1; 08-07-2013 at 09:21 AM.
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    08-07-2013 09:09 AM
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