1. redbeard's Avatar
    i might be having a little luck with turning OFF everything in my System Services

    but then why should i HAVE to put limits on what these devices were intended to do

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    I agree, we shouldn't have to handicap our phones in order to get decent battery life, I have all those off except "cell network search", not sure what it means, but it looks like something you'd need to have on I figure??
    03-11-2013 10:47 PM
  2. BLiNK's Avatar
    I agree, we shouldn't have to handicap our phones in order to get decent battery life, I have all those off except "cell network search", not sure what it means, but it looks like something you'd need to have on I figure??
    good point. turning it on now
    03-11-2013 11:41 PM
  3. Tanbam's Avatar
    I agree, we shouldn't have to handicap our phones in order to get decent battery life, I have all those off except "cell network search", not sure what it means, but it looks like something you'd need to have on I figure??
    Turning off those services doesn't handicap your phone in any respect.

    Starting from the top of that list:

    Cell Network Search - I don't need my phone turning on it's GPS receiver and fixing my location in order to help it choose cell towers. It works fine the old fashioned way by picking up the signals and figuring our which tower to use by itself. I don't need 3-meter-accuracy at the expense of unnecessary battery drain. I've had that setting turned off since at LEAST the beginning of iOS 5. I've never had any trouble with it disabled. Deep down, I wonder why that is even there in the first place - but I'll keep the tin foil hat off for now.

    Compass Calibration - I rarely, rarely every use the compass. I don't need that IC turning on if I hardly ever need it. In the extreme situation that I need it, I do not mind the extra few seconds it takes to wave it around if it saves me battery power ALL of the time.

    Diagnostics & Usage - I never send diagnostics or usage data whenever I can help it, and I surely don't feel like giving Apple or whatever other company is profiting off of that information any of my battery's energy - or GPS accurate information. I don't mind being one of the few people who are slightly off of the grid.

    Genius for Apps - No thanks. See above.

    Location-Based iAds - Now it's getting silly. Not only would I rather not see ANY ads, I really don't want to give up any of my battery life by enabling these companys to serve me ads based on my location.

    Setting Time Zone - I only travel a few times a year, and the only thing that I've noticed that needs to be changed manually in my settings is for the Calendar app. Again, I would rather do it myself once or twice a year and save my battery for the other 48 weeks.

    Traffic - I don't need my phone to automatically send in Traffic data, either. If I feel like sharing, I'll turn on Waze and do it on my terms.

    Far from handicapping your phone, it is more like liberating your phone to turn these settings off. I don't like being anyone's data scraper any more than what is necessary to receive the services that I want.

    Battery usage on my phone this morning at 4%:
    Usage 7 Hours, 53 Minutes
    Standby 1 Day, 4 Hours

    Really, I don't need my phone to perform any better than that without expecting to plug it in...
    03-12-2013 02:53 AM
  4. feng72's Avatar
    Cell Network Search is a location based service that sends your location information, and the tower ids of the network towers within range of (and thus detected by) your phone. It is used by Apple marketing (and whomever they choose to sell/share the database with) to determine patterns of cell useage, tower congestion and so on.

    Those features in System Services are all about sending your location based information TO Apple, not about enabling features or services on your iPhone. This is Apple's way of allowing you to opt out of the collection of location based data that previously was done surriptiously without overtly letting you know or have any way to stop it.

    You can disable every single feature in that section and your iPhone or iPad will continue to function exactly the same way it always has.

    The only one that has anything to do with your use is the time zone feature, but you'd only actually need that one on IF you were outside of range of any cellular towers and wanted your time zone set by your GPS location. If you turn it off, but leave the time&date setting on "automatic" then your time zone will be determined by the time signal received from the wireless towers your device connects to.
    03-12-2013 04:17 AM
  5. sting7k's Avatar
    Wow, I've been raving about iPhone 5 battery life to everyone I see. Mine is still really good under 6.1.2 I feel. Yesterday when I went to bed my usage was 7.5 hours and 17 hours on standby and I still had 30% remaining. That's a heavy day. Normal use is around 5-6 hours with same standby time and around 40-50+% remaining.

    Gmail (exchange) and Outlook.com both pushing. Tons of apps with push notifications. In that setting thing people are discussing a few posts above I have everything but diagnostic reporting turned on.
    03-12-2013 11:56 AM
  6. BLiNK's Avatar
    another day of BS battery performance. i even restored as new last night, added email accounts and minimal apps

    tonight i am going to Restore as New to 6.1.3 beta, just for fun, and see what happens

    am i the only one experiencing 6.1.2 battery woes??-image.jpg
    03-12-2013 05:12 PM
  7. redbeard's Avatar
    another day of BS battery performance. i even restored as new last night, added email accounts and minimal apps

    tonight i am going to Restore as New to 6.1.3 beta, just for fun, and see what happens

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    Holy crap that's horrible!!! I wonder if someone from iMore can reach to someone at Apple about this??

    One thing I forgot about is an idea I had last week, since I see you are on ATT like me, I was wondering if the battery issue's on 6.1-6.1.2 are only happening to people on ATT? There has to be some kind of differences in the OS from carrier to carrier right?? Just an idea since I've exhausted everything else..
    03-13-2013 12:35 AM
  8. BLiNK's Avatar
    Holy crap that's horrible!!! I wonder if someone from iMore can reach to someone at Apple about this??

    One thing I forgot about is an idea I had last week, since I see you are on ATT like me, I was wondering if the battery issue's on 6.1-6.1.2 are only happening to people on ATT? There has to be some kind of differences in the OS from carrier to carrier right?? Just an idea since I've exhausted everything else..
    interesting.. i do know that the regulars here that have said they indeed have "decent" battery life are on VZW too
    03-13-2013 01:47 AM
  9. redbeard's Avatar
    interesting.. i do know that the regulars here that have said they indeed have "decent" battery life are on VZW too
    Hmmm, I wonder if anybody on ATT has good battery life??
    03-13-2013 03:03 AM
  10. ThePinkChameleon's Avatar
    Hmmm, I wonder if anybody on ATT has good battery life??
    You guys may have some points here. Majority of users know that if signal isn't great, neither will your battery life be because your device will be comstantly searching to hold a good signal. SO...with that in mind, I wonder if you guys are just in a 'bad signal' area and this is why your devices are not doing so well battery life wise. The other things to take into consideration, and people usually think i'm crazy (but oh well!) is the weather. I feel that depending on the atmosphere, it will impact your connection. I get good battery life, like i mentioned previously 7-9hrs usage in a single charge which can last me 1-1/2 to 2 days....BUT on days that are rainy, snowing, very cloudy etc. I do notice a small decrease where my overall usage will be cut down to 7-71/2 hrs overal usage in a single charge. (i'm on VzW)

    But also, a question for both of you, BLiNK & redbeard...prior to 6.1.2 you both were getting decent battery life and then when you upgraded to 6.1.2 thats when you noticed a huge difference? Redbeard, i will also agree with each carrier will have its own version because the signal software for ATT will be different from Verizons. Which will then lead to another possibility - is the 'signal software' in iOS6.1.2 for ATT not up to snuff as it was in 6.1.1 etc. ?? BUT if not all people on ATT are experiencing what you guys are, then i would think it would lead back to where your located and the coverage not being so great.

    just bouncin' a few ideas back to you guys to maybe try and figure out something.....
    03-13-2013 08:47 AM
  11. warcraftWidow's Avatar
    Hmmm, I wonder if anybody on ATT has good battery life??
    I don't have any issues and I'm on AT&T.
    03-13-2013 08:51 AM
  12. Bosox20's Avatar
    Same here. AT&T with great battery life. It very well might be your signal area. Can you call AT&T and see if they can diagnose the problem?
    03-13-2013 08:57 AM
  13. Tanbam's Avatar
    I'm also on AT&T.
    03-13-2013 09:10 AM
  14. BLiNK's Avatar
    nope, signal is fine for me AND during the week there are times i travel within a 100-150 mile radius from where i live

    problem persists
    03-13-2013 09:15 AM
  15. Jaguarr40's Avatar
    nope, signal is fine for me AND during the week there are times i travel within a 100-150 mile radius from where i live

    problem persists
    Seeing your latest screenshot Blink now I do understand your frustration and feel for you. Hope you make the trip to the genius bar. Did you also get my latest PM about the question you asked me at the end of you PM back to me?
    03-13-2013 09:45 AM
  16. Tanbam's Avatar
    I've mentioned this before in other threads, but if you really want to know what your battery is doing, you should get an app that allows you to see the actual battery data instead of using the battery meter and usage stats.

    If you're jailbroken (and there really isn't any reason why you shouldn't be aside from company policies) there are a couple of great apps on Cydia that can give you guys some real data to start working with to help you try to figure out what's going on. I'm currently using BatteryLogger (from one of the "other" repos because the legit version won't install on iOS 6) but BatteryDetective is what I used to use and it's petty good too, maybe even better for troubleshooting.

    Last year something got corrupted in my iCloud data and it caused a pretty massive battery drains. After I figured out what the problem was, I faced the monumental task of convincing Apple's tech support to delete everything from their side and let me start over. As soon as they finally did that (after weeks of phone calls) my phone went back to normal.

    Here's how you can use BatteryDetective to help track down battery issues:

    1) After installing the app, close all of the apps in your multitask bar and reboot your phone.

    2) Open the BatteryDetective app and select "Battery Info".

    3) On this page, there is a lot of detailed info regarding your battery. Take note of the difference between the "MaxCapacity" and "DesignCapacity" fields, as that will show you how much your battery has degraded since you've owned it.

    4) Scroll to near the bottom of the page, and you will see the "Drain" field. This is how much battery power you are consuming. The field updates about every thirty seconds, so bear in mind that you should wait at least that long after making any changes to see what any differences have made.

    I think that then main thing that you guys should be checking is your standby power consumption. To measure this, make sure that the "Drain" field is visible on screen, then hit the sleep/wake button. Leave the phone alone for around a minute, then turn it back on and read that value. It should be somewhere between 4 and 6 mA. If you get a text message or email or anything else during your wait, you will have to wait longer because events like that will make the number much higher.

    If it's higher than that, you can start turning things off and repeating the measurement and see if you can figure out the offending party. The first thing I'd do is turn on Airplane Mode and see if its a radio causing trouble.

    It's a lot easier to track down problems this way then it is to watch the usage numbers.
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    03-13-2013 09:53 AM
  17. Jrome.brooks's Avatar


    This was yesterday and this morning is this good
    03-13-2013 04:20 PM
  18. BLiNK's Avatar
    Tanbam - regarding the potential iCloud issue, that might be a strong possibility. is that something to where if i were to remove my iCloud account from the device i would notice a difference? or would it be beyond that.
    Last edited by BLiNK; 03-13-2013 at 06:14 PM.
    03-13-2013 05:55 PM
  19. Rockdog97's Avatar
    that's why I'm not in a rush to upgrade to the latest and greatest iOS when it comes out. I'm still on 6.1 and things are awesome.
    03-13-2013 06:50 PM
  20. Rockdog97's Avatar
    http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/03/14/utyzuqap.jpg

    This was yesterday and this morning is this good
    what font is that if I may ask?
    03-13-2013 06:51 PM
  21. Jrome.brooks's Avatar
    what font is that if I may ask?
    here you go
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    03-13-2013 06:53 PM
  22. NolansVlogs's Avatar
    wasn't 6.1.2 supposed to correct the exchange bug that was indeed responsible for battery drain?

    i restored as new before the weekend and added the bare minimum apps that i needed and still the problem persists. hell i even stopped removed my Facebook app over the weekend too and made no difference. i've always been able to correct any issue i have ever had with my phone.. until now

    stock iOS 6.1.2 BTW

    i have an upgrade basically burning a hole in my pocket now and that's not good!
    Probably the apps you have running, turn wifi off when not used, LTE off if not needed, kill all apps, back light
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    03-13-2013 07:00 PM
  23. Tanbam's Avatar
    Tanbam - regarding the potential iCloud issue, that might be a strong possibility. is that something to where if i were to remove my iCloud account from the device i would notice a difference? or would it be beyond that.
    This was back around this time last year when there wasn't any way to re-restore to a jailbreakable firmware, so I didn't have the luxury of starting from scratch.

    If I rebooted the phone in Airplane Mode, it would be fine. When I would enable the radios, it would be okay for a while, then it would start doing whatever was messed up. The battery would start draining quickly, and if I was on 3G, the phone would actually start getting hot. In BatteryDetective, I could see that my standby current was around 400mA, which would drain the battery in a few hours.

    I think I ended up deleting the iCloud account and was able to determine that it was the cause. It took me a about a month to get it taken care of. They had me change my password to one that they selected so that they could log in and troubleshoot, but after a week of that, they threw in the towel and deleted everything in my iCloud account. As soon as they did that, it worked beautifully again.
    03-13-2013 11:12 PM
  24. BLiNK's Avatar
    This was back around this time last year when there wasn't any way to re-restore to a jailbreakable firmware, so I didn't have the luxury of starting from scratch.

    If I rebooted the phone in Airplane Mode, it would be fine. When I would enable the radios, it would be okay for a while, then it would start doing whatever was messed up. The battery would start draining quickly, and if I was on 3G, the phone would actually start getting hot. In BatteryDetective, I could see that my standby current was around 400mA, which would drain the battery in a few hours.

    I think I ended up deleting the iCloud account and was able to determine that it was the cause. It took me a about a month to get it taken care of. They had me change my password to one that they selected so that they could log in and troubleshoot, but after a week of that, they threw in the towel and deleted everything in my iCloud account. As soon as they did that, it worked beautifully again.
    WOW 400mA!?!?!! not good. after doing some testing of my own (using the instructions in your earlier post) it appears that iCloud may be an issue for me as well. i jailbroke and purchased BatteryDetective, here is what i discovered..

    while in standby wifi and 3G ON with iCloud enabled 114-143mA

    while in standby wifi and 3G ON with iCloud disabled 4-6mA

    after seeing this first hand i have since Restored as New and did NOT setup iCloud this time around. so far it "seems" better but tomorrow i will put it to the test
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    03-13-2013 11:38 PM
  25. sting7k's Avatar
    Only 3 hours of usage and 8 hours standby...that's nearly Android like battery life.
    03-14-2013 12:21 PM
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