1. kch50428's Avatar
    But please don't let Apple take away all that functionally. It's just the Maps app that's the problem.
    What orifice are you pulling the "Apple taking away functionality" meme from?

    Apple's iOS does provide limited iOS-internal transit mapping functionality now. They are adding turn-by turn functionality. There are apps in the app store that provide that functionality already. Transit providers and developers will be free to make products that will be fully compatible with the new Maps app and be a much better offering than what they offer now - nothing is being taken away. NOTHING. In fact, there is opportunity for developers to meet a need, and make $$... like I said in another thread... what a concept.
    Last edited by kch50428; 06-15-2012 at 10:27 AM.
    06-15-2012 10:23 AM
  2. cardfan's Avatar
    What orifice are you pulling the "Apple taking away functionality" meme from?

    Apple's iOS does not provide any iOS-internal transit mapping functionality now. They are adding turn-by turn functionality. There are apps in the app store that provide that functionality already. Transit providers and developers will be free to make products that will be fully compatible with the new Maps app - nothing is being taken away. NOTHING. In fact, there is opportunity for developers to meet a need, and make $$... like I said in another thread... what a concept.
    Not only that, but there will be millions of users on iOS 6. I'm sure that might interest a few devs..
    06-15-2012 10:26 AM
  3. ModeratorOMD's Avatar
    06-15-2012 10:45 AM
  4. kch50428's Avatar
    This is a disaster.

    (snip)

    Apple maps is too lacking. Turn by turn is nice, but it's not more
    important than transit, which should have been the main focus. Where's that petition? I'm going to start emailing some people, creating awareness.
    No, it's NOT a disaster. It will be more - developers with incentive to innovate, and make apps that fill needs will make it more. Get over it. And yourself.
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    06-15-2012 10:48 AM
  5. ghostface147's Avatar
    Apple maps is too lacking. Turn by turn is nice, but it's not more
    important than transit, which should have been the main focus. Where's that petition? I'm going to start emailing some people, creating awareness.

    And that's going to go where? When has Apple ever listened to a petition? There are petitions about matte displays being an option on certain Mac products for a few years and bam, nothing has changed. You are making a big deal out of nothing in a beta 1 product. How about you wait and see what developers do with their integration into the maps product? Apple bought a couple of mapping companies not too too long ago, so in reality the writing was on the wall already. How do you know Google won't offer their own map program outside of Google earth? Oh wait, you want Siri to help with maps right?

    You are comparing a first generation mapping solution to something that took Google years to get to their current point. Apple had to make the cutover eventually to their own solution and there will be growing pains. You say that transit should have been the main focus. WRONG. The main focus is to make sure the core of Maps works fine and then go from there. Assuming you're someone who uses transit on a frequent basis (and I can't imagine why I think that), I would assume you already have the schedules for most of your routes pretty much already known unless you're going to a new area you aren't familiar with.

    Get over it. You're not getting your precious transit maps back from Apple. They are going the third party route for that and that comes straight from Forstall. Stay on 5.1.1 or wait for Google to come out with their own mapping solution for iOS 6 that will most likely not integrate with Siri. I don't know if it was this thread or another that said people rely too much on technology. It's clear to me that you are one of them. There are plenty of people who rely on transit who don't have smartphones and get around fine. There's always that option for you too. Let me know how that awareness campaign works out for you and when Apple bends.
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    06-15-2012 11:14 AM
  6. Fausty82's Avatar
    I don't know if it was this thread or another that said people rely too much on technology. It's clear to me that you are one of them. There are plenty of people who rely on transit who don't have smartphones and get around fine. There's always that option for you too. Let me know how that awareness campaign works out for you and when Apple bends.
    My wife and I had this same discussion this morning about another issue... through some stupid action on my part, I thought I'd lost my password manager's database... and panic set in because I don't know passwords to all of my online accounts... (sidebar, Time Machine saved the day)... but it's the same with programmed phone numbers in our devices... if I don't have MY phone, I can't call Aunt Susie because I don't know her number... don't NEED to, but device does that... until something happens and it all goes south.

    Your point is spot-on. Yeah, the technology and "brainlessness" are nice and convenient, but when we totally rely on them, we are completely lost when they fail. And sooner or later, they ALWAYS fail.

    The bottom line is this - if the new product (iOS 6) doesn't fit your needs, don't use it. The OP can continue using the old product (iOS 5.1.1) until hell freezes over or until Apple or some developer comes along to give him the solution that he wants. But the "sky is falling" act is growing old, at least to me.
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    06-15-2012 11:30 AM
  7. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    Don't worry. Google Maps will soon enough be in the App Store when iOS 6 is public.
    06-15-2012 12:07 PM
  8. ghostface147's Avatar
    Don't worry. Google Maps will soon enough be in the App Store when iOS 6 is public.
    I agree 100%. I doubt Apple will block it because there are already other apps out there as well that do maps very well.
    06-15-2012 12:16 PM
  9. ModeratorOMD's Avatar
    And that's going to go where? When has Apple ever listened to a petition? There are petitions about matte displays being an option on certain Mac products for a few years and bam, nothing has changed. You are making a big deal out of nothing in a beta 1 product. How about you wait and see what developers do with their integration into the maps product? Apple bought a couple of mapping companies not too too long ago, so in reality the writing was on the wall already. How do you know Google won't offer their own map program outside of Google earth? Oh wait, you want Siri to help with maps right?

    You are comparing a first generation mapping solution to something that took Google years to get to their current point. Apple had to make the cutover eventually to their own solution and there will be growing pains. You say that transit should have been the main focus. WRONG. The main focus is to make sure the core of Maps works fine and then go from there. Assuming you're someone who uses transit on a frequent basis (and I can't imagine why I think that), I would assume you already have the schedules for most of your routes pretty much already known unless you're going to a new area you aren't familiar with.

    Get over it. You're not getting your precious transit maps back from Apple. They are going the third party route for that and that comes straight from Forstall. Stay on 5.1.1 or wait for Google to come out with their own mapping solution for iOS 6 that will most likely not integrate with Siri. I don't know if it was this thread or another that said people rely too much on technology. It's clear to me that you are one of them. There are plenty of people who rely on transit who don't have smartphones and get around fine. There's always that option for you too. Let me know how that awareness campaign works out for you and when Apple bends.
    I CAN get around without a smartphone. I could also join the boyscouts and learn how to find which way is north by licking my finger and sticking it in the air. But why would anyone want to?

    I'm not overly dependent on technology, I'd just like to use what I paid for.

    Do you not agree that there should have been no talks about Mapping until everything was set and they had their priorities in order? You have to.

    Oh, then I suppose you want Apple to create their own version of YouTube today, just so they can say its theirs? I don't see the opposition, this affects us all.

    And you'll soon find that out when you ask Siri to find the nearest gas station when you're sitting out in the middle of nowhere and she says, "There's something wrong. And I can't answer your questions right now."

    The iPhone was fine as is, but they're not ready for this.
    06-15-2012 12:25 PM
  10. kch50428's Avatar
    The iPhone was fine as is, but they're not ready for this.
    Apple is more than ready. You're not. And it's not Apple's fault.
    06-15-2012 12:35 PM
  11. ModeratorOMD's Avatar
    Apple is more than ready. You're not. And it's not Apple's fault.
    Somebody please explain to me how unlabeled 3D maps with no texture renderings are helpful? Every building looks the same. It's like an empty map.

    Apple maps isn't even real, it's like when you're at the mall and it shows you "YOU ARE HERE" but you don't know where here is because nothing is labeled.
    Last edited by motoleo; 06-15-2012 at 12:41 PM.
    06-15-2012 12:38 PM
  12. kch50428's Avatar
    You can't be serious. Somebody please explain to me how unlabeled 3D maps with no texture renderings are helpful? Every building looks the same. It's like an empty map.
    Your perceptions are not my reality. IOS6 in in it's first beta release to developers. For anyone to get as bent as you are over things that may or may not be in the final release, or available as apps from 3rd party developers by public launch is ludicrous at best.
    06-15-2012 12:43 PM
  13. Guacho's Avatar
    Saying that Apple maps is better than Google Maps is crazy, but was Google maps this good when they started a few years ago?? of course not... It's only been out for a few days, give them a break, when Google maps goes live at the app store just use it and put Apple maps into a folder and forget about it...
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    06-15-2012 12:44 PM
  14. ghostface147's Avatar
    Do you not agree that there should have been no talks about Mapping until everything was set and they had their priorities in order? You have to.

    Oh, then I suppose you want Apple to create their own version of YouTube today, just so they can say its theirs? I don't see the opposition, this affects us all.

    And you'll soon find that out when you ask Siri to find the nearest gas station when you're sitting out in the middle of nowhere and she says, "There's something wrong. And I can't answer your questions right now."

    The iPhone was fine as is, but they're not ready for this.
    1. No, I don't agree. They had to announce it so developers could get started on their end. The worst thing would be not to announce it and set it up last second and catch developers off guard.

    2. I doesn't affect me because I don't really use maps. Don't include me in your sky is falling umbrella.

    3. I use Gas Buddy for gas stations. It hasn't failed me yet.

    They had to cut the cord to google sometime and the writing was on the wall awhile ago when they started acquiring mapping companies.
    06-15-2012 12:48 PM
  15. ghostface147's Avatar
    Saying that Apple maps is better than Google Maps is crazy, but was Google maps this good when they started a few years ago?? of course not... It's only been out for a few days, give them a break, when Google maps goes live at the app store just use it and put Apple maps into a folder and forget about it...
    Exactly. It took google several years to accumulate this information.
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    06-15-2012 12:48 PM
  16. ModeratorOMD's Avatar
    At first, when Apple Maps came out, I was like, oh, ok, they're coming out with this new Maps, it's going to be better. Then to find out that this is some startup lacking the most basic of features.

    Why bother? This is unthinkable.

    I use Maps every day. There's no way I can get anywhere without it. In fact, I'm about to use it right now in about a minute because I have to go somewhere.

    But I'm not going to stay here squawking, I should be knocking on corporate's door.
    Last edited by motoleo; 06-15-2012 at 01:00 PM.
    06-15-2012 12:53 PM
  17. kch50428's Avatar
    Why bother? This is unthinkable.
    Maybe to you.

    Never mind that you're grousing about something that is is it's first developer release and things can, and will likely change before the final public release... smh.
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    06-15-2012 12:57 PM
  18. ModeratorOMD's Avatar
    Ok, I'm going to say one last thing.

    Do you really believe they can do enough? That Apple maps is going to be something to tout by Fall 2012?

    ..........
    06-15-2012 01:00 PM
  19. kch50428's Avatar
    Do you really believe they can do enough? That Apple maps is going to be something to tout by Fall 2012?
    It is already better than what they offer now, and will only improve. And developers will innovate and make apps that will make it even better.
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    06-15-2012 01:03 PM
  20. ghostface147's Avatar
    There's no way I can get anywhere without it.
    And that right there sounds like a personal problem. How did you get around before you had a phone capable of doing maps? Guess and check? Walk around aimlessly? Stop at gas stations and ask for directions?
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    06-15-2012 01:03 PM
  21. ghostface147's Avatar
    It is already better than what they offer now, and will only improve. And developers will innovate and make apps that will make it even better.

    So true. These things take time. Some people just don't understand that you have start from scratch. OS X had to do it and it was much more complex going from System 9.
    06-15-2012 01:07 PM
  22. ModeratorOMD's Avatar
    And that right there sounds like a personal problem. How did you get around before you had a phone capable of doing maps? Guess and check? Walk around aimlessly? Stop at gas stations and ask for directions?
    No, but I sure wasted hours and hours and hours of time. Before the keynote, no lie, I said to myself, Google Maps is so good. But I didn't say Google, I just said Maps, because I wasn't expecting any of this.
    06-15-2012 01:09 PM
  23. ModeratorOMD's Avatar
    :o Oh, ya'll know what..?

    The very same transit information can just be found by going to Google.com from Safari and going to Maps.

    Well, it's not integrated with Siri, but I guess I can handle that.

    iOS6, here I come.
    06-15-2012 01:23 PM
  24. Fausty82's Avatar
    I CAN get around without a smartphone. I could also join the boyscouts and learn how to find which way is north by licking my finger and sticking it in the air. But why would anyone want to?
    That doesn't indicate north. It indicates which direction the wind is blowing...
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    06-15-2012 01:24 PM
  25. kch50428's Avatar
    :o Oh, ya'll know what..?

    The very same transit information can just be found by going to Google.com from Safari and going to Maps.

    Well, it's not integrated with Siri, but I guess I can handle that.

    iOS6, here I come.
    This is too funny... stinkin' up the place only to now say "Um... Never mind... "
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    06-15-2012 01:24 PM
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