1. Hendri Hendri's Avatar
    Simply to say, with this new deature, our ios and mac devices’s messages will be merged all to icloud, meaning, we can read the messages from all devices and can be restore to new reset or new set up devices.

    in some way, is the same with “forward imessages” feature

    So should I turn it (forward feature) off ? Will it doubling my messages on icloud if I don’t turn it off ?

    Anyone knows this feature will be available for ios10 as well ? (Older iphone), since I don’t get any update


    We need to turn on two factor auth. to use this feature ?

    Thx
    Last edited by Hendri Hendri; 06-01-2018 at 06:32 PM.
    06-01-2018 06:21 PM
  2. Sherry_B's Avatar

    Anyone knows this feature will be available for ios10 as well ?
    No. It's only available in 11.4. Apple is done with 10, and the only thing devices running 10 might get are security patches.
    Hendri Hendri likes this.
    06-01-2018 06:51 PM
  3. doogald's Avatar
    So should I turn it (forward feature) off ? Will it doubling my messages on icloud if I don’t turn it off ?
    Good question, because only iPhone can get SMS messages. I'm not sure if they sync to Messages in iCloud.

    We need to turn on two factor auth. to use this feature ?
    Yes. But I thought you needed 2FA for iOS 11 and High Sierra anyway?
    Hendri Hendri likes this.
    06-01-2018 07:28 PM
  4. Hendri Hendri's Avatar
    Good question, because only iPhone can get SMS messages. I'm not sure if they sync to Messages in iCloud.



    Yes. But I thought you needed 2FA for iOS 11 and High Sierra anyway?
    I absolutely need the fwd message (banking usage) from my #1st iphone to mac and to #2nd iphone

    I’m not using 2FA on all my devices (with latest os)

    And now they are forcing me to use 2FA to activate icloud imessage, which i’m still considerating
    06-01-2018 09:30 PM
  5. doogald's Avatar
    I absolutely need the fwd message (banking usage) from my #1st iphone to mac and to #2nd iphone

    I’m not using 2FA on all my devices (with latest os)

    And now they are forcing me to use 2FA to activate icloud imessage, which i’m still considerating
    No, what I mean is that once you have messages in iCloud, which should sync all messages, whether forwarding sms is still required. I still have it on, but, if all messages sync, you’d think that it wouldn’t be required.
    06-01-2018 09:45 PM
  6. Hendri Hendri's Avatar
    No, what I mean is that once you have messages in iCloud, which should sync all messages, whether forwarding sms is still required. I still have it on, but, if all messages sync, you’d think that it wouldn’t be required.
    Oh ok, i see, i tried to googling and can’t find anyone asking or discussing regarding this
    06-01-2018 09:52 PM
  7. anon(10433247)'s Avatar
    One major plus is deletion across devices. Use to be incredibly annoying to delete messages from my phone and then have to delete them from my watch separately. Now they stay synced.
    06-02-2018 01:48 AM
  8. doogald's Avatar
    One major plus is deletion across devices. Use to be incredibly annoying to delete messages from my phone and then have to delete them from my watch separately. Now they stay synced.
    Well, not yet, from the watch. (There is no syncing with iCloud for Apple Watch.)
    06-02-2018 05:11 AM
  9. gnirkatto's Avatar
    I don't know about other companies, but Apple hasn't.

    https://itunes.apple.com/us/book/iph...mUvbUpU3066090
    This is a great book, thanks for the hint. It also contains sections on the new features.Will attach related screenshots.
    But I'll keep a part of my criticism alive. 1. a user has to know that such a book exists and where to find it. 2. it is VERY comprehensive (basically a good thing), so you would probably not know what to look for when new versions arrive and 3. this thing with 'why has the phone to be on charger to upload old messages, and when and how often and what for will that be needed' does not really get explained and the fact that these older messages will only show on newly set up phones only gets clear if you read very very carefully, because it's not obvious that 'new' really means NEW, ie a newly purchased or freshly resetted device, and on a first read, this could also be understood as 'ok I start a conversation on device A and continue on the "new/other" device B, providing iCloud on device B is on too'.
    Maybe my main point is this: even if I had known this manual, it would not have answered my questions on the new feature sufficiently, and I think I would have still started this thread. Some of the contributions show that I'm not alone.
    So I would like to rephrase my request to why have these companies given up releasing change logs together with new features, to explain in 4 or 5 easy to read lines what these features are doing?
    But maybe this also exists somewhere? What I have seen though is a log on security updates. An yes, it was stated the iOS update contains 'messages in iCloud', but not how the new feature will work, and not, how it differs from the previous version.

    iMessage in iCloud-What is the point?-bildschirmfoto-2018-06-02-um-14.01.47.png

    iMessage in iCloud-What is the point?-bildschirmfoto-2018-06-02-um-14.05.26.png
    06-02-2018 07:42 AM
  10. Sherry_B's Avatar
    ........
    You need to supply Apple with all of that information. They cannot make it better unless you tell them you're unhappy.


    https://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html
    06-02-2018 02:12 PM
  11. anon(10433247)'s Avatar
    Well, not yet, from the watch. (There is no syncing with iCloud for Apple Watch.)
    If your Apple Watch shows up in your iCloud Devices there should be no problem here. It’s my understanding if you delete an iMessage on any device it will delete on all devices using the same Apple ID. That’s the way I understand it. That said, may require a Watch update. Currently using FitBit Ionic but will switch to my Series 3 and check it out.
    06-02-2018 03:12 PM
  12. Sherry_B's Avatar
    Well, not yet, from the watch. (There is no syncing with iCloud for Apple Watch.)
    There is iCloud syncing with Apple watch (contacts, calendar, etc), but you are correct... not for iMessages at this time.
    06-02-2018 03:50 PM
  13. doogald's Avatar
    Sorry, of course I meant that there is no syncing of *messages* with iCloud on Apple Watch yet. Deletions will not sync between other devices and Apple Watch until Apple releases a version of watchOS that supports messages in iCloud. iPhone, iPad, and now macOS High Sierra are supported.
    06-02-2018 04:17 PM
  14. gnirkatto's Avatar
    You need to supply Apple with all of that information. They cannot make it better unless you tell them you're unhappy.


    https://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html
    Your'e right. But for me, the benefit is that discussions are getting started, if posting here.
    06-02-2018 04:28 PM
  15. Sherry_B's Avatar
    Your'e right. But for me, the benefit is that discussions are getting started, if posting here.
    You misunderstand. I'm not implying that you stop posting here. But I did imply that changes are not going to come unless you let Apple know directly... they do not read these forums.
    Annie_8plus likes this.
    06-02-2018 10:15 PM
  16. gnirkatto's Avatar
    You misunderstand. I'm not implying that you stop posting here. But I did imply that changes are not going to come unless you let Apple know directly... they do not read these forums.
    Hm...I see your point. But this means for me that I will probably stop or reduce posting here (which will be appreciated by some!), as I'm too lazy or too busy (?) to double post on problems.
    I'm coming from the Blackberry side of this site, and over there, it was - and still is - taken for granted that people from BB (in older times) or TCL read posts, and sometimes even join conversations.

    I understand that this would probably be too much for Apple, due to their far bigger market share...on the other hand, they have much more people and much more money, so it could happen, if they wanted.
    06-03-2018 05:04 AM
  17. Tartarus's Avatar
    Hm...I see your point. But this means for me that I will probably stop or reduce posting here (which will be appreciated by some!), as I'm too lazy or too busy (?) to double post on problems.
    I'm coming from the Blackberry side of this site, and over there, it was - and still is - taken for granted that people from BB (in older times) or TCL read posts, and sometimes even join conversations.

    I understand that this would probably be too much for Apple, due to their far bigger market share...on the other hand, they have much more people and much more money, so it could happen, if they wanted.
    It’s about policies. And Apple’s policy so far has been not to participate in day to day discussions on internet.

    Recommending you to use the https://www.apple.com/feedback/ option is not meant to chase you away, on the contrary even. Please stay, we like to hear from everyone and everywhere.
    Annie_8plus likes this.
    06-03-2018 06:02 AM
  18. doogald's Avatar
    So should I turn it (forward feature) off ? Will it doubling my messages on icloud if I don’t turn it off ?
    So, I just tested this. I turned off text message forwarding, and sent myself a test text message.

    The message did NOT sync to the Mac or iPad.

    So, the answer is yes: you DO need to turn on text message sync in order to have SMS (non-iMessage) messages appear on other devices, even with Messages in iCloud on iOS >=11.4 and macOS >=10.13.5

    [edit] Update: so, it took a day or two, but those SMS messages **did** sync over to the Mac and iPad. It just took a while. Sorry for jumping the gun.

    Of course, you will still need SMS forwarding to reply, I believe, and delivery will definitely be faster.
    Last edited by doogald; 06-12-2018 at 05:44 AM.
    06-03-2018 05:53 PM
  19. TripleOne's Avatar
    Messages in iCloud, as you mentioned, is meant to keep things sync'd across devices.
    Also means if you start with a fresh device, Messages should pull in when you enable iCloud. When starting with a fresh phone and no backup, you can get a lot of things back (Safari bookmarks, photos, etc.) but until now you would do without messages.
    I’ve always wondered what it’s for. Thank you for this explanation
    robertk328 likes this.
    06-04-2018 08:34 PM
  20. Hendri Hendri's Avatar
    So, I just tested this. I turned off text message forwarding, and sent myself a test text message.

    The message did NOT sync to the Mac or iPad.

    So, the answer is yes: you DO need to turn on text message sync in order to have SMS (non-iMessage) messages appear on other devices, even with Messages in iCloud on iOS >=11.4 and macOS >=10.13.5
    Thx very much for the testing and confirmation.
    06-05-2018 12:14 PM
  21. doogald's Avatar
    Thx very much for the testing and confirmation.
    See my message above for an update. The SMS only messages do sync, it just takes a while.
    06-12-2018 05:45 AM
  22. Hendri Hendri's Avatar
    Hello,

    I tried to delete my text message from my iphone, and it deleted as well on my mac (only takes few seconds)

    But when I tried to delete text message from my mac, it’s not deleted on my iphone. Anyone experienced the same ?

    Also, I tried to send text message to my phone (from my friend’s number), but i didn’t showed on my mac. Anyone has the same issue ?

    (I tried mainly text messages since i don’t use imessage)

    Thanks
    06-30-2018 10:04 PM
47 12

Similar Threads

  1. messages in the cloud for mac and Apple Watch
    By samduffy in forum Ask a Question
    Replies: 35
    Last Post: 06-05-2018, 07:18 PM
  2. Review: Sandmarc Wide Lenses for the iPhone X
    By digitalbreak in forum iPhone X
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 06-03-2018, 08:14 AM
  3. How to remove suggested contacts in Mail
    By iMore.com in forum iMore.com News Discussion
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 05-29-2018, 08:50 PM
  4. How to turn on Messages in iCloud
    By iMore.com in forum iMore.com News Discussion
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 05-29-2018, 01:50 PM
  5. Camera+ 2 Review: All-in-One Photo App Rebuilt From Scratch
    By iMore.com in forum iMore.com News Discussion
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 05-29-2018, 01:30 PM
LINK TO POST COPIED TO CLIPBOARD