1. Kirstein Gourlay's Avatar
    I read an article on Phandroid that claims Apple has admitted to slowing down older phones when they upgrade to the latest versions of iOS. They claim it is to preserve the hardware. But to me it just proves the point that this was never a conspiracy theory after all.
    12-21-2017 09:50 AM
  2. TwitchyPuppy's Avatar
    It’s not “when they upgrade their iOS version”, nor “on older phones”, it’s when the battery starts degrading.
    The hardware performance is throttled to maximize what’s left of the battery life aka you’re due to replace it anyway so you might as well take advantage of the situation.
    12-21-2017 09:53 AM
  3. metllicamilitia's Avatar
    Like @TwitchyPuppy said, and if you replace the battery you get full performance back.
    12-21-2017 10:11 AM
  4. calebt's Avatar
    Apple should have added some kind of Pop up warning that battery was low and phone would be slowed if battery was not changed, just my opinion.
    12-21-2017 10:29 AM
  5. doogald's Avatar
    But to me it just proves the point that this was never a conspiracy theory after all.
    It only started one year ago (last December, with iOS 10.2), and only with iPhone 6/6+, 6s/6s+, SE, and now 7/7+. Before then the phones were not throttled, but would prematurely shut down when the battery meter read more than 0%.

    The "conspiracy" theories are much older than that.
    Last edited by doogald; 12-21-2017 at 12:17 PM.
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    12-21-2017 11:40 AM
  6. dadathepanda's Avatar
    Apple is EVIL and I'm gonna leave for Android as soon as possible. This wasn't don't for the consumer, it was done to force ppl into new devices. If they were doing it for the consumer, they would've told us about it and say that replacing the battery is an option. But they decided to keep it a secret and throttle down the cpu to make ppl think something is wrong with their devices. #EVIL
    12-21-2017 06:18 PM
  7. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    Apple is EVIL and I'm gonna leave for Android as soon as possible. This wasn't don't for the consumer, it was done to force ppl into new devices. If they were doing it for the consumer, they would've told us about it and say that replacing the battery is an option. But they decided to keep it a secret and throttle down the cpu to make ppl think something is wrong with their devices. #EVIL
    Have fun with your new Android device when you get it.
    12-21-2017 06:26 PM
  8. Frehley's Avatar
    Apple is EVIL and I'm gonna leave for Android as soon as possible. This wasn't don't for the consumer, it was done to force ppl into new devices. If they were doing it for the consumer, they would've told us about it and say that replacing the battery is an option. But they decided to keep it a secret and throttle down the cpu to make ppl think something is wrong with their devices. #EVIL
    Enjoy your new Android device...#Evil
    12-21-2017 07:04 PM
  9. comiken205's Avatar
    Apple is EVIL and I'm gonna leave for Android as soon as possible. This wasn't don't for the consumer, it was done to force ppl into new devices. If they were doing it for the consumer, they would've told us about it and say that replacing the battery is an option. But they decided to keep it a secret and throttle down the cpu to make ppl think something is wrong with their devices. #EVIL
    Obviously you didn’t read the article, you’re an Android troll, or you’re EVIL.
    MB64 likes this.
    12-21-2017 09:04 PM
  10. reeneebob's Avatar
    Apple is EVIL and I'm gonna leave for Android as soon as possible. This wasn't don't for the consumer, it was done to force ppl into new devices. If they were doing it for the consumer, they would've told us about it and say that replacing the battery is an option. But they decided to keep it a secret and throttle down the cpu to make ppl think something is wrong with their devices. #EVIL
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    12-21-2017 09:53 PM
  11. dadathepanda's Avatar
    Obviously you didn’t read the article, you’re an Android troll, or you’re EVIL.
    Obviously you're an apple sheep. Ive read this and many other articles and no matter how Apple tries to spin this, the bottom line is that the high road would have been to let ppl know that a simple battery change would fix any issues but they decided to make it so that ppl believe their phones are slow and buy the next thing. Why didn't they put a notice in the software up-to let users know what they're doing? Why? Because #bottomlines
    12-21-2017 09:56 PM
  12. pr1nce's Avatar
    Apple is EVIL and I'm gonna leave for Android as soon as possible. This wasn't don't for the consumer, it was done to force ppl into new devices. If they were doing it for the consumer, they would've told us about it and say that replacing the battery is an option. But they decided to keep it a secret and throttle down the cpu to make ppl think something is wrong with their devices. #EVIL
    Enjoy your Android device.
    12-21-2017 11:35 PM
  13. TripleOne's Avatar
    Reducing the performance to maintain battery life is understandable IMO.
    12-22-2017 02:00 AM
  14. Rob Phillips's Avatar
    Reducing the performance to maintain battery life is understandable IMO.
    It is understandable but not telling users is NOT. They should have been way more transparent.
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    12-22-2017 06:47 AM
  15. robertk328's Avatar
    Apple is EVIL and I'm gonna leave for Android as soon as possible. This wasn't don't for the consumer, it was done to force ppl into new devices. If they were doing it for the consumer, they would've told us about it and say that replacing the battery is an option. But they decided to keep it a secret and throttle down the cpu to make ppl think something is wrong with their devices. #EVIL
    Apple admits it slows down older phones. What are your thoughts about it?-giphy.gif
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    12-22-2017 07:21 AM
  16. comiken205's Avatar
    Obviously you're an apple sheep. Ive read this and many other articles and no matter how Apple tries to spin this, the bottom line is that the high road would have been to let ppl know that a simple battery change would fix any issues but they decided to make it so that ppl believe their phones are slow and buy the next thing. Why didn't they put a notice in the software up-to let users know what they're doing? Why? Because #bottomlines
    I love being called an apple troll. Being as how I’ve only owned 1 Apple Device vs many Androids. But if it makes you feel better enjoy your Android.
    Tartarus likes this.
    12-22-2017 07:49 AM
  17. C6TX6's Avatar
    Get an app called "Battery Life". It will show you the battery wear level. If you keep your device topped off (wireless charging makes this even easier), the battery will stay in good shape for years or essentially past the useful life of the device. Don't leave it in a car in extreme heat or cold, etc.

    If your battery is excessively worn, its peak current output is going to be severely hampered. When a device demands higher peaks, battery voltages can sag low enough to respring the device. The newer builds take battery condition into play and will adjust CPU throttle curves in accordance to prevent random resprings. This will definitely have an impact on performance overall. Its similar to using a battery saver profile on a laptop.

    Users with slower devices have reported that changing batteries in those devices did restore performance so there's that.

    The only change, IMO, there should be is a pop up notification that would basically tell you that the battery is worn and performance is degraded. Replacing the battery would restore performance.

    The idea behind this is, simply, a slow device is better than a device that randomly shuts off or restarts. Apple should just notify the users why.
    calebt and taz323 like this.
    12-22-2017 07:57 AM
  18. Trigati's Avatar
    Get an app called "Battery Life". It will show you the battery wear level.
    Which one do you recommend? There are two apps named Battery Life by different developers. One is free, the other has an iap.
    12-22-2017 08:11 AM
  19. C6TX6's Avatar
    Search "battery life" in app store.
    The one I have has a green icon with a white "battery" with a lightning symbol in the middle. Next to the icon it reads "Battery Life - check runtimes". The latest version is 2.1.5 and the rating is 4.6 stars. Developer is RBT Digital, LLC.
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    12-22-2017 08:23 AM
  20. Trigati's Avatar
    Search "battery life" in app store.
    The one I have has a green icon with a white "battery" with a lightning symbol in the middle. Next to the icon it reads "Battery Life - check runtimes". The latest version is 2.1.5 and the rating is 4.6 stars. Developer is RBT Digital, LLC.
    Thanks. That's the one I thought it was.
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    12-22-2017 08:41 AM
  21. Ledsteplin's Avatar
    Get an app called "Battery Life". It will show you the battery wear level. If you keep your device topped off (wireless charging makes this even easier), the battery will stay in good shape for years or essentially past the useful life of the device. Don't leave it in a car in extreme heat or cold, etc.

    If your battery is excessively worn, its peak current output is going to be severely hampered. When a device demands higher peaks, battery voltages can sag low enough to respring the device. The newer builds take battery condition into play and will adjust CPU throttle curves in accordance to prevent random resprings. This will definitely have an impact on performance overall. Its similar to using a battery saver profile on a laptop.

    Users with slower devices have reported that changing batteries in those devices did restore performance so there's that.

    The only change, IMO, there should be is a pop up notification that would basically tell you that the battery is worn and performance is degraded. Replacing the battery would restore performance.

    The idea behind this is, simply, a slow device is better than a device that randomly shuts off or restarts. Apple should just notify the users why.
    The Battery Life app is just guessing based on whatever info they can get, such as age of phone. Apple no longer allows battery life or cycles data for developers. I do think their guesses are close though. Topping off charging does nothing for battery life. That top off % is added to more top off charges to equal a charge cycle. So if you start a charge at 90% to 100% ten times, that's 1 charge cycle.
    12-22-2017 09:43 AM
  22. C6TX6's Avatar
    Cycles isn't necessarily an accurate metric to health. 100 cycles derived from use to cut off back to 100% vs. use to 70% and back to 100%, the former is far more detrimental.

    Keeping a phone topped off at 100% and sitting in a drawer is also not ideal.

    Even adding to the complexity 1% shown isn't the true 1% as only 1% left on a lithium-polymer pack is quite unhealthy.

    In any case probably the worse one can do for their battery that sadly gets done commonly is overheating and/or freezing.

    Not allowing detailed pack information to devs is bad. This info IS available on MacOS (for now).

    The only way to gauge if a battery pack is affected is by tracking voltage while applying a varying, working load. It certainly could be done by software but it appears that would be limited to Apple's own engineers since they have locked out third parties from doing so.
    12-22-2017 10:01 AM
  23. Lee_Bo's Avatar
    Apple is EVIL and I'm gonna leave for Android as soon as possible. This wasn't don't for the consumer, it was done to force ppl into new devices. If they were doing it for the consumer, they would've told us about it and say that replacing the battery is an option. But they decided to keep it a secret and throttle down the cpu to make ppl think something is wrong with their devices. #EVIL
    Bye Felicia.

    I've had my 7+ since launch and if Apple is slowing it down, I can't tell. It's still fast and performing just as good, if not better, then the day I bought it.
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    12-22-2017 10:08 AM
  24. reeneebob's Avatar
    The histrionics about this are incredibly entertaining.

    Next up, APPLE KICKS PUPPIES ZOMGELEVENTY!?!!!!1!1!1!1!1!1!!1!1!!1!1!!1!1!!1!1! !1!1!11!!1!1!1!1!!1!1!!1!1!!1!1!1!1
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    12-22-2017 10:47 AM
  25. calebt's Avatar
    How come I haven't heard it called batterygate yet?
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    12-22-2017 11:06 AM
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