1. MaxSmarties's Avatar
    Minority equals Apple Pencil and Watch users. Trust me, that’s a minority of iPhone users.
    Again: who says is a minority ?
    You think to know Apple’s numbers better than... Apple ?
    01-14-2018 07:56 AM
  2. TgeekB's Avatar
    It takes 5 seconds.
    01-14-2018 07:57 AM
  3. MaxSmarties's Avatar
    It takes 5 seconds.
    Even less than that...
    But I’m under the impression Apple can’t do no right: everything they do is raising complaints.
    When you basically have 1 billion customers you can’t please all of them.
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    01-14-2018 08:01 AM
  4. edd's Avatar
    Again: who says is a minority ?
    You think to know Apple’s numbers better than... Apple ?
    No, I don’t think that. Apple appears to be laying the groundwork to make multi-device use more seamless. I understand that. I simply want the choice to set it the way it used to be (4 months ago).

    As far as the numbers, you’re under a delusion if you think the majority of iPhone users have either a watch or a friggin pencil. Go out in public and simply turn your head right and left. How many phones do you see vs the other devices?
    01-14-2018 08:01 AM
  5. edd's Avatar
    It takes 5 seconds.
    It used to take less than half that. That’s the opposite of progress.
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    01-14-2018 08:02 AM
  6. MaxSmarties's Avatar
    No, I don’t think that. Apple appears to be laying the groundwork to make multi-device use more seamless. I understand that. I simply want the choice to set it the way it used to be (4 months ago).

    As far as the numbers, you’re under a delusion if you think the majority of iPhone users have either a watch or a friggin pencil. Go out in public and simply turn your head right and left. How many phones do you see vs the other devices?
    It’s not just about numbers. It’s about user experience. You still can disable WiFi entirely in about 2 seconds. On the contrary would be quite difficult to keep devices connected in the old way.
    The new shortcut is just BETTER.
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    01-14-2018 08:03 AM
  7. edd's Avatar
    The new shortcut is just BETTER.
    For you, assuming you’re using the connected devices. Not me. And I want us both to have it the way we’d like. I feel I’m being very clear about that.

    And I haven’t even gotten into Apple being borderline deceptive about this change early on and the privacy concerns but those aren’t my primary complaints.
    01-14-2018 08:07 AM
  8. TgeekB's Avatar
    It used to take less than half that. That’s the opposite of progress.
    If this is the hardest thing I have to do or worry about in my life every day, my life is bliss.
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    01-14-2018 08:07 AM
  9. edd's Avatar
    If this is the hardest thing I have to do or worry about in my life every day, my life is bliss.
    Agreed.
    01-14-2018 08:17 AM
  10. edd's Avatar
    You still can disable WiFi entirely in about 2 seconds.
    I let this go earlier, but it is entirely misleading. From the lock screen, it takes 10 seconds. 2 seconds is what it took prior to iOS 11.
    01-14-2018 09:28 AM
  11. imwjl's Avatar
    The control center came out several years ago. It is not new.
    I know that but some toggle action with the latest iteration re-enabled cellular when that didn't occur on past international trips.

    I'm not upset or bent out of shape over this. The current version of the OS features discussed are really nice for me. My world is full of a lot of networks, devices and travel.
    01-14-2018 10:25 AM
  12. doogald's Avatar
    Minority equals Apple Pencil and Watch users. Trust me, that’s a minority of iPhone users.
    And for location services (almost everybody), BT headphones and speakers (more and more people since iPhone 7), AirDrop, AirPlay, handoff (ok, not so many people for those probably).
    01-14-2018 11:35 AM
  13. edd's Avatar
    And for location services (almost everybody), BT headphones and speakers (more and more people since iPhone 7), AirDrop, AirPlay, handoff (ok, not so many people for those probably).
    I use BT and WiFi every day. Just want to shut them off quickly to save my battery when I’m not connected. Simple as that. 4 months ago, I could do that.
    01-14-2018 11:40 AM
  14. tadpoles's Avatar
    It seems the milk has been spilt, so to speak. We know how that saying goes.
    01-14-2018 01:03 PM
  15. Tartarus's Avatar
    I use BT and WiFi every day. Just want to shut them off quickly to save my battery when I’m not connected. Simple as that. 4 months ago, I could do that.
    Saving battery by disabling those radios is exaggerated.

    Try it out. You’ll find that you have saved 15 to 30 minutes tops on a 16 hour standby time or 5 minutes on a screen on time.
    01-14-2018 02:33 PM
  16. Sherry_B's Avatar
    Respectfully, you don’t seem to understand my complaint.
    I understood your complaint.

    You must now go through several more steps.
    And those steps take what, 4 seconds, maybe 5? Have you tried volunteering in a homeless shelter, or donating some clothing and toys to families who've lost their homes in fires? It might help you see that there are bigger things to worry about than a few seconds to reach an option in a cell phone.

    I understand which users this change serves (a minority).
    That's your opinion, because you have no access to any real numbers. I see the Apple watch just about everywhere I look. And having to sit in Airports recently, a ton of people with an Apple pencil and tablets. I think the numbers are a lot larger than you think. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean the numbers aren't there. Why continue to put out a product if the number of people buying them is so small. If the numbers weren't there, Apple would discontinue the products.


    If this really really really really bothers you, consider upgrading your old phone. Hard pressing the Settings icon takes you right to those (WiFi/Bluetooth) settings. A savings of 2 seconds.
    Last edited by Sherry_B; 01-14-2018 at 02:52 PM.
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    01-14-2018 02:39 PM
  17. edd's Avatar
    I understood your complaint.



    And those steps take what, 4 seconds, maybe 5? Have you tried volunteering in a homeless shelter, or donating some clothing and toys to families who've lost their homes in fires? It might help you see that there are bigger things to worry about than a few seconds to reach an option in a cell phone.



    That's your opinion, because you have no access to any real numbers.


    If this really really really really bothers you, consider upgrading your old phone. Hard pressing the Settings icon takes you right to those (WiFi/Bluetooth) settings. A savings of 2 seconds.
    You appear to want to put me in my place or something, painting me as a person who doesn’t understand what real problems are. This is an Apple forum, where people discuss such things, and are lucky to have the time to do so.

    I’m showing you more respect than you are me. I’ve no interest in a pissing contest. I simply asked for news about a change. I’m quite aware of how important it is, what the alternatives are, and so forth. I’m pretty good at this stuff.
    01-14-2018 02:54 PM
  18. Sherry_B's Avatar
    You appear to want to put me in my place or something, painting me as a person who doesn’t understand what real problems are. This is an Apple forum, where people discuss such things, and are lucky to have the time to do so.

    I’m showing you more respect than you are me. I’ve no interest in a pissing contest. I simply asked for news about a change. I’m quite aware of how important it is, what the alternatives are, and so forth. I’m pretty good at this stuff.
    And you seem to be under the impression that I'm annoyed with you, or angry, or trying to put you in your place. I'm not. You simply don't agree with what I have to say, which makes you feel like you're being attacked. Calm down, no one is attacking you. Just merely pointing out, or trying to get it across to you, that this change adding a few seconds to get to an option is just not worth complaining about.
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    01-14-2018 02:57 PM
  19. edd's Avatar
    And you seem to be under the impression that I'm annoyed with you, or angry, or trying to put you in your place. I'm not. You simply don't agree with what I have to say, which makes you feel like you're being attacked. Calm down, no one is attacking you. Just merely pointing out, or trying to get it across to you, that this change adding a few seconds to get to an option is just not worth complaining about.
    In my previous post, I said I’m well aware of how important it is. I assure you I’m calm. It was clear a couple of pages ago that many of you not only think it’s unimportant, but prefer the change.

    For me, they took a function that was good (and bragged about this ability to turn off radios for the iOS 7 release), and removed it. These petty efficiencies are things engineers agonize over. In the context of dorky Internet forums, this is a perfectly acceptable topic.

    You times are incorrect from the lock screen. 10 seconds now vs 2 before iOS 11. That’s undesirable to me. I hope they offer the option to set it as it was before for folks like myself. I do use Siri from the lock screen when I can and when it works but it does not always, making it more inelegant.

    And telling me to volunteer in a homeless shelter is condescending, no two ways about it.
    01-14-2018 03:32 PM
  20. Sherry_B's Avatar

    You times are incorrect from the lock screen. 10 seconds now vs 2 before iOS 11.
    Using the stopwatch on my ipad, I timed myself at just at tad under 5 seconds to disable WiFi starting from a black lockscreen.

    I think the time difference has a lot to do with you using an older iPhone. I upgraded to the 8 Plus because I could no longer read the smaller screen on my 6s.

    Still. 10 seconds. I'm sorry but that's not a lot of time.
    01-14-2018 03:52 PM
  21. tadpoles's Avatar
    Using the stopwatch on my ipad, I timed myself at just at tad under 5 seconds to disable WiFi starting from a black lockscreen.

    I think the time difference has a lot to do with you using an older iPhone. I upgraded to the 8 Plus because I could no longer read the smaller screen on my 6s.

    Still. 10 seconds. I'm sorry but that's not a lot of time.
    ...and if someone saved 3 seconds doing it a different way...what were they gonna do with those 3 seconds? Build a school? Lol. I could see if we were talking minutes here but we’re talking seconds. In a day it may take someone, somewhere, a cumulative 30 additional seconds if they feel the urge to molest the setting a lot. I just don’t see the big deal. 🤷🏽 🤷🏽 🤷🏽. I’m not sure how much Apple needs to worry about this one.
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    01-14-2018 05:03 PM
  22. Sherry_B's Avatar
    ...and if someone saved 3 seconds doing it a different way...what were they gonna do with those 3 seconds? Build a school? Lol. I could see if we were talking minutes here but we’re talking seconds. In a day it may take someone, somewhere, a cumulative 30 additional seconds if they feel the urge to molest the setting a lot. I just don’t see the big deal. ������������ ������������ ������������. I’m not sure how much Apple needs to worry about this one.
    100% agree!!


    People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but *actually* from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint - it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly... time-y wimey... stuff. ...
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    01-14-2018 05:23 PM
  23. Ledsteplin's Avatar
    I use BT and WiFi every day. Just want to shut them off quickly to save my battery when I’m not connected. Simple as that. 4 months ago, I could do that.
    No need to worry about battery usage. Bluetooth hardly uses any and wifi doesn't use much more than cellular, especially if you have a strong signal.
    01-14-2018 05:31 PM
  24. doogald's Avatar
    I use BT and WiFi every day. Just want to shut them off quickly to save my battery when I’m not connected. Simple as that. 4 months ago, I could do that.
    I believe that "Hey Siri, turn off WiFi (or Bluetooth)" will do this very quickly.

    (You can also 3D-touch the settings icon to get quick access to WiFi and Bluetooth to turn off the radios. You can still use the control center to turn 'em back on.)
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    01-14-2018 07:38 PM
  25. doogald's Avatar
    No need to worry about battery usage. Bluetooth hardly uses any and wifi doesn't use much more than cellular, especially if you have a strong signal.
    But, of course, @edd is talking about turning off WiFi when he is not using it (i.e., driving in the car, walking around town, etc.), so a strong signal is meaningless - it's to turn off the radio when there is no signal.
    01-14-2018 07:41 PM
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