1. scruffypig's Avatar
    These are even more user's opinions why updating an iPhone can be a bad idea:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeaut...ight/?sort=new
    I can't speak for anyone else. I can only speak for myself. I suggest updating. For me iOS 10 has been great.
    11-04-2016 05:55 PM
  2. oloongt's Avatar
    I appreciate your position, and I'm not advising you to not update. I'm speaking for myself. I just shelled out a huge amount of money for an iPhone 7 Plus with128 GB storage. I plan on keeping it longer than three years. If someone has an iPhone 5 and the update has improved their phone, that's great, but I wouldn't keep updating it. They aren't meant to last forever, and as the subreddit I've posted shows, they seem to be meant to fail. If your phone is working great now, it should work that way for a long time. I wish I'd known that when I first got my 4s and updated it to iOS 7. It never worked the same afterward. For a while iOS 9 had made some improvement, especially with battery usage, but it never regained that new phone feel it had before the 7. It's now become just a beautiful but useless piece of hardware.

    Also, a point that sticks with me is that Apple won't let you back out of an update if it affects your phone's performance. Not being able to opt out, other than ignoring the distracting red notification icon, also makes it difficult to think it's a neutral process.

    Again, it's just my opinion, but it's one that's held by a lot of iPhone users, as the Reddit link shows.
    11-04-2016 10:00 PM
  3. Ledsteplin's Avatar
    I appreciate your position, and I'm not advising you to not update. I'm speaking for myself. I just shelled out a huge amount of money for an iPhone 7 Plus with128 GB storage. I plan on keeping it longer than three years. If someone has an iPhone 5 and the update has improved their phone, that's great, but I wouldn't keep updating it. They aren't meant to last forever, and as the subreddit I've posted shows, they seem to be meant to fail. If your phone is working great now, it should work that way for a long time. I wish I'd known that when I first got my 4s and updated it to iOS 7. It never worked the same afterward. For a while iOS 9 had made some improvement, especially with battery usage, but it never regained that new phone feel it had before the 7. It's now become just a beautiful but useless piece of hardware.

    Also, a point that sticks with me is that Apple won't let you back out of an update if it affects your phone's performance. Not being able to opt out, other than ignoring the distracting red notification icon, also makes it difficult to think it's a neutral process.

    Again, it's just my opinion, but it's one that's held by a lot of iPhone users, as the Reddit link shows.
    If you don't update you will eventually miss out on apps that no longer work on your OS. Not to mention new features and options. My iPhone 5 works fine on iOS 9.3.5. My Wife's 5c works fine on iOS 10.1.1. But neither will be updated to iOS 11.
    11-04-2016 10:12 PM
  4. Troy Jelas's Avatar
    Apple likes to make people mad with the constant update reminders
    11-06-2016 04:29 AM
  5. doogald's Avatar
    If you don't update you will eventually miss out on apps that no longer work on your OS. Not to mention new features and options.
    Also, you miss critical security updates.
    11-06-2016 11:47 AM
  6. oloongt's Avatar
    Also, you miss critical security updates.
    I wonder about that. I had a Windows Vista laptop that I ran nonstop, connected to the internet for a year and a half, with the updates shut off (by accident) and never had a problem with it running smoothly, or with malware. Perhaps this is why I have the confidence in saying I think updates can be a bad thing. I suppose if a virus or a specific attack were being mentioned in the news, I would update just to be safe, but to routinely update as a matter of rote, I don't think I will.

    It would also depend on what use the phone is getting. If it is a corporate phone, I should think they would replace it periodically and, as you say, security would be the number one concern.

    An important point I need to mention: I always check online after there is an update to see what the community response is. Sometimes you'll find that the update has bugs. For instance, the recent 10.0 update was often failing to install properly. iOS 10 Update Problem Fails, Requires iTunes to Fix Bricked iPhone & iPad | OSXDaily They fixed it immediately with 10.1 but introduced a bug that disabled Apple's Health App. So they released 10.1.1 to fix that. If you had upgraded to 10.0 without a hitch and just waited, you would not have to update to a broken 10.1 only to have to update again to fix the problem caused by the update. Sound confusing? It is, but it doesn't have to be.

    I've found from my own experience creating downloadable gaming and customization mods, that many of my updates were to fix bugs caused by being in a hurry to upload something before it was fully tested (yes, mea culpa). To me, updates done one after another in rapid succession, suggest such errors. So, the question is, when do you stop the cycle? My answer, as the saying goes: If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
    11-06-2016 01:28 PM
  7. Rod Sprague's Avatar
    An older phone does not receive update notifications for incompatible upgrades and there is a big difference between updates and upgrades.
    Upgrades are new iOS, e.g iOS 9 to iOS 10, an update which usually fixes bugs and supplies updated security data is e.g. iOS 10.0.1 to iOS 10.1.1.
    In my opinion everyone should install updates.
    11-07-2016 08:24 AM
  8. Ledsteplin's Avatar
    An older phone does not receive update notifications for incompatible upgrades and there is a big difference between updates and upgrades.
    Upgrades are new iOS, e.g iOS 9 to iOS 10, an update which usually fixes bugs and supplies updated security data is e.g. iOS 10.0.1 to iOS 10.1.1.
    In my opinion everyone should install updates.
    Those are all updates. An upgrade is like a newer phone. For example, from an iPhone 5s to an iPhone 7.
    11-07-2016 10:10 AM
  9. oloongt's Avatar
    there is a big difference between updates and upgrades.
    Upgrades are new iOS, e.g iOS 9 to iOS 10, an update which usually fixes bugs and supplies updated security data is e.g. iOS 10.0.1 to iOS 10.1.1.
    In my opinion everyone should install updates.
    Excellent point! I agree with your advice. iOS 10 is an upgrade. And from what I understand, a good one for some older phones. When I first bought the iPhone 6s Plus I immediately upgraded. This is the thing, I started having problems with it and by the next day the phone froze while installing a random app. I had to do a hard reset and it stuck on the Apple logo at reboot. Now I had a brand new, bricked, iPhone 6s Plus. I shelled out the extra cash and replaced it with the 7 Plus after returning it for a full refund.

    Whether or not, and I doubt that the upgrade to iOS 10 is what caused the brick, I was going to play it on the safe side. As I've said on this forum topic, I plan on keeping this overpriced "telephone" a lot longer than the 3 year shelf life Apple gives it. My iPhone 4s is still in perfect condition despite the 3 1/2 years Ive had it. If not for its erratic performance trying to process iOS 9, I would still be using it.

    An older phone does not receive update notifications for incompatible upgrades
    Is this certain? For instance, if I don't upgrade to iOS 11, will the update notices stop because I'm still on iOS 10? This would be a worldview change for me. I'll check on that. Thanks.
    11-07-2016 11:03 AM
  10. Alain_A's Avatar
    So an OS from year to year is an upgrade. I'd say more of a huge update as it retain the basic function. They just add more fonctionality to it.
    I don't think they restart from scratch
    11-07-2016 11:23 AM
  11. oloongt's Avatar
    Those are all updates. An upgrade is like a newer phone. For example, from an iPhone 5s to an iPhone 7.
    I think it's a matter of wordplay. Yes, you can become eligible for an "upgrade" to a newer phone with your carrier, but buying a new phone is not technically an upgrade, it's just a new phone, like "upgrading" to a more powerful laptop. But, moving from iOS 9 to iOS 10, though technically an "update", it changes the way your phone looks and operates. When iOS switched from 6 to 7 the change was like day and night. iPhones went from glorified Blackberry to Windows 10 overnight. Calling that an upgrade is appropriate, in my opinion.
    11-07-2016 01:07 PM
  12. MMA McBride's Avatar
    A little background...I'm asking for my boss who is technologically challenged and does not want to upgrade nor become technologically proficient. She said that she is getting multiple reminders a day to update and wants them to stop. My thought is that since "Agree" must be hit twice before it will begin the download process, can she just hit cancel and that will stop both the update and reminders?? Anyone have any experience with this?

    I have never had this issue, because I'm always updating on release day. It will also do no good to argue with her on the reasons to upgrade. Trust me on this. Thanks for any input!

    Hey man! I'm having the same issue. I fixed it so far: settings>iTunes & App Store > uncheck Updates.

    Should fix your problem!!
    11-11-2016 12:22 PM
  13. oloongt's Avatar
    Hey man! I'm having the same issue. I fixed it so far: settings>iTunes & App Store > uncheck Updates.

    Should fix your problem!!
    But does this work for iOS updates, or just Apps from the AppStore?
    libra89 likes this.
    11-11-2016 01:54 PM
  14. Ledsteplin's Avatar
    Excellent point! I agree with your advice. iOS 10 is an upgrade. And from what I understand, a good one for some older phones. When I first bought the iPhone 6s Plus I immediately upgraded. This is the thing, I started having problems with it and by the next day the phone froze while installing a random app. I had to do a hard reset and it stuck on the Apple logo at reboot. Now I had a brand new, bricked, iPhone 6s Plus. I shelled out the extra cash and replaced it with the 7 Plus after returning it for a full refund.

    Whether or not, and I doubt that the upgrade to iOS 10 is what caused the brick, I was going to play it on the safe side. As I've said on this forum topic, I plan on keeping this overpriced "telephone" a lot longer than the 3 year shelf life Apple gives it. My iPhone 4s is still in perfect condition despite the 3 1/2 years Ive had it. If not for its erratic performance trying to process iOS 9, I would still be using it.


    Is this certain? For instance, if I don't upgrade to iOS 11, will the update notices stop because I'm still on iOS 10? This would be a worldview change for me. I'll check on that. Thanks.
    Which phone? The 4s will not be compatible with iOS 11. So no notifications. The 7 will be compatible. So if you don't update you'll get the notifications.
    11-12-2016 02:28 PM
  15. janw47's Avatar
    There's a problem with this. There are two messages. Possibly one about the download and one about the install. You still get the install message anyhow and have to answer Later or something. Plus I had an issue where it wouldn't connect to WiFi anymore after the download. That took awhile to figure out. Because Apple doesn't plan for renegade behavior, you could end up with a problem from not doing what they expect..
    11-16-2016 06:08 PM
  16. dpeters11's Avatar
    Here's another reason to install updates more frequently. The further back you are, the greater the chance of an issue when updating. Best example of this was a bug in early versions of iOS 9. I had a user that never updated from 7 to 8, then went to 9. It didn't go well.
    11-17-2016 08:24 PM
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