1. Tartarus's Avatar
    How does someone SMSing me cost me money? Honestly, I know hardly anybody using WhatsApp. Where do you live? I'm wondering if usage varies a lot by location.
    Kicking a very old post, but here goes:
    WhatsApp is quite popular in countries other than the U.S.. It’s the number 1 service in the Netherlands for example

    The person you are corresponding with who doesn't have iMessage is the one sending SMS's. The fact you use iMessage rather than WhatsApp costs them money.

    I'd rather not reveal where I live, but my WhatsApp correspondents are Android and iPhone users. Apart from the cost, iMessage doesn't work well when you're messaging non-iPhone users (or iPhone users who have disabled iMessage) because you can't send and receive pictures, videos, etc.
    If you’re an iMessage user and send a text to a non-iMessage user, you use the classic way of texting, same as the person on the receiving end. I guess what I’m trying to say is that using or not using iMessage doesn’t change anything in this case.

    I live in The Netherlands and texting has been free for over 3 years now on most carrier plans to national numbers. And since a month it’s even free to text EU numbers.
    07-13-2017 05:38 AM
  2. Rob Phillips's Avatar
    It costs *them* money to SMS you!!!!!! You are not the only party affected by your use of iMessage.
    Since you’re resurrecting this conversation that has been dead for over a year...The cost of others to message me is not my concern. I know tons of people happily using iMessage, a bunch using SMS because they’re on another platform, and have never been asked to use WhatsApp by anybody. Seems I’d be pretty lonely in the messaging world if I were using WhatsApp.
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    07-13-2017 05:39 AM
  3. Tartarus's Avatar
    Since you’re resurrecting this conversation that has been dead for over a year...The cost of others to message me is not my concern. I know tons of people happily using iMessage, a bunch using SMS because they’re on another platform, and have never been asked to use WhatsApp by anybody. Seems I’d be pretty lonely in the messaging world if I were using WhatsApp.
    I’m on WhatsApp. If you’re not satisfied with the amount of texting on iMessage, I’d say, feel free to hit me up on WhatsApp
    07-13-2017 05:40 AM
  4. Rob Phillips's Avatar
    I’m on WhatsApp. If you’re not satisfied with the amount of texting on iMessage, I’d say, feel free to hit me up on WhatsApp
    True, but you’re not in the U.S. Even so, you still happily use iMessage.
    07-13-2017 05:42 AM
  5. Tartarus's Avatar
    True, but you’re not in the U.S. Even so, you still happily use iMessage.
    I prefer it over WhatsApp, really.
    When you send photos and videos on WhatsApp, they get heavily reduced in quality and resolution to reduce data usage, and there is no setting to change this, unlike in iMessage.
    That’s why I always use emails or if applicable, iMessage to send those kind of media. And I made it an habit to demand from others to do the same unless it’s not an important video or photo.
    07-13-2017 05:44 AM
  6. anony_mouse's Avatar
    The cost of others to message me is not my concern.
    The cost of others to message me is not my concern.
    I think it's worth repeating Rob Phillips statement twice.
    07-13-2017 06:15 AM
  7. Rob Phillips's Avatar
    I think it's worth repeating Rob Phillips statement twice.
    Yet I still stand by what I said. I’m not using WhatsApp and I’ve not once been asked to install it or had anyone inquire about how to contact me on WhatsApp. So either all of these people are paying to message me or they’re simply not paying for SMS messages. I’m thinking it’s the latter.

    It’s occurred to me that you like to argue. This particular one is over now so you can move on.
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    07-13-2017 06:23 AM
  8. Tartarus's Avatar
    I think it's worth repeating Rob Phillips statement twice.
    There is no need to go further in discussion about this. If somebody needs to reach him, I’m sure they will find a solution. So yes, he is actually right about this not being his concern.
    07-13-2017 06:23 AM
  9. anony_mouse's Avatar
    It’s occurred to me that you like to argue. This particular one is over now so you can move on.
    ????
    07-13-2017 06:24 AM
  10. anony_mouse's Avatar
    So yes, he is actually right about this not being his concern.
    I suppose that everyone has their own priorities.
    07-13-2017 06:25 AM
  11. Tartarus's Avatar
    I suppose that everyone has their own priorities.
    It’s not about priorities and you know that. It’s about practicality. And if it’s practical for him and for others to continue communicating the way they do, then there should be no objections from others.
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    07-13-2017 06:38 AM
  12. scruffypig's Avatar
    did you test it so you know it's blurry?
    Yes, and it is.
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    07-13-2017 07:25 AM
  13. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    A majority of the people I regularly associate with have iPhones, and the few who don’t have unlimited SMS as part of their wireless plan which is somewhat standard here in the U.S. and use the native messaging app that comes preinstalled on whatever device they are using. With that in mind, iMessage for Android could be a good thing, but I doubt it would change the way my non-iPhone using friends text me.
    Tartarus likes this.
    07-13-2017 07:56 AM
  14. robertk328's Avatar
    I suppose that everyone has their own priorities.
    Of course.

    Before messages were unlimited I asked friends to use WhatsApp and they agreed. Now that it’s unlimited we haven’t used it in years. If you have someone using imessage that’s upsetting you then ask them to use WhatsApp and save yourself the aggravation
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    07-13-2017 07:58 AM
  15. Rob Phillips's Avatar
    If you have someone using imessage that’s upsetting you then ask them to use WhatsApp and save yourself the aggravation
    Exactly. I have never had someone complain to me that using iMessage or SMS is somehow costing them money. It’s not that I don’t care (I’m not THAT big of a jerk) I am just assuming that they’re not paying anything extra to message me. If they are, they’re apparently okay with it so I’m not concerned about it.
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    07-13-2017 01:20 PM
  16. Almeuit's Avatar
    I think it's worth repeating Rob Phillips statement twice.
    I think I am missing your point.

    iMessage uses data so it will use the persons LTE or WiFi connection to receive the message.

    SMS will use their text message limit from the carrier (majority of people in America have unlimited automatically with their plan).

    Again -- what is the issue?
    07-13-2017 01:50 PM
  17. anony_mouse's Avatar
    I think I am missing your point.

    iMessage uses data so it will use the persons LTE or WiFi connection to receive the message.

    SMS will use their text message limit from the carrier (majority of people in America have unlimited automatically with their plan).

    Again -- what is the issue?
    Because SMS is not free for everyone, and your correspondent may have to pay to reply to your message. I really really think that is clear from the posts above.
    07-14-2017 11:22 AM
  18. Tartarus's Avatar
    Because SMS is not free for everyone, and your correspondent may have to pay to reply to your message. I really really think that is clear from the posts above.
    It’s up to the correspondent to notify the other off their costs and ask for an alternative way to correspond. So I agree with the post above: what’s the big deal.
    07-14-2017 11:30 AM
  19. anony_mouse's Avatar
    It’s up to the correspondent to notify the other off their costs and ask for an alternative way to correspond. So I agree with the post above: what’s the big deal.
    Well, I can see that nobody else cares about this so I suggest we all move on.

    I have two more questions:
    1. How would I know if someone sent a message to my Android phone using iMessage? It would arrive as an SMS or MMS (*), right?
    2. What does iMessage do when you send a message to another iMessage user, and you have a cellular connection but you don't have a data connection (for example, when roaming)? Does it send the message an SMS, or wait until you have a data connection, or ask you what to do, or something else?

    (*) if it was an MMS, it is unlikely to arrive.
    07-14-2017 11:44 AM
  20. Almeuit's Avatar
    Because SMS is not free for everyone, and your correspondent may have to pay to reply to your message. I really really think that is clear from the posts above.
    It is for most people though. If it isn't to that one person they need to let you know and all will be well. I can't worry about everyone I text and their message plan -- they have to tell me theirs.

    I have a buddy at work who didn't have unlimited text for the longest. He told me the day I sent him one and after that I emailed him things instead of texting. Simple as that.
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    07-14-2017 11:46 AM
  21. Tartarus's Avatar
    Well, I can see that nobody else cares about this so I suggest we all move on.

    I have two more questions:
    1. How would I know if someone sent a message to my Android phone using iMessage? It would arrive as an SMS or MMS (*), right?
    2. What does iMessage do when you send a message to another iMessage user, and you have a cellular connection but you don't have a data connection (for example, when roaming)? Does it send the message an SMS, or wait until you have a data connection, or ask you what to do?

    (*) well, probably not an MMS.
    1.
    If they send a text to a non-iMessage device, they use the classic SMS service. Not iMessage. This means they are using their cellular plan to send messages.
    I hope this clears it for you.
    iMessage only uses internet to other iMessage users.

    2. That is a setting in the iMessage section. See the included screenshot.
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    07-14-2017 11:46 AM
  22. anony_mouse's Avatar
    If they send a text to a non-iMessage device, they use the classic SMS service. Not iMessage. This means they are using their cellular plan to send messages.
    I hope this clears it for you.
    iMessage only uses internet to other iMessage users.
    Ok thanks. That confirms that I don't know any iMessage users. Well, I guess that's not quite a valid conclusion - it confirms that I don't know anyone who uses iMessage to communicate with me.

    Can anyone answer my second question? What does iMessage do when you send a message to another iMessage user, and you have a cellular connection but you don't have a data connection (for example, when roaming)? Does it send the message as an SMS, or wait until you have a data connection, or ask you what to do?
    07-14-2017 11:48 AM
  23. Tartarus's Avatar
    Ok thanks. That confirms that I don't know any iMessage users. Well, I guess that's not quite a valid conclusion - it confirms that I don't know anyone who uses iMessage to communicate with me.

    Can anyone answer my second question? What does iMessage do when you send a message to another iMessage user, and you have a cellular connection but you don't have a data connection (for example, when roaming)? Does it send the message an SMS, or wait until you have a data connection, or ask you what to do?
    I edited my previous post. The answer is in there under #2
    07-14-2017 11:50 AM
  24. Tartarus's Avatar
    In short: you can automatically use SMS or wait for a data connection.
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    07-14-2017 11:52 AM
  25. anony_mouse's Avatar
    In short: you can automatically use SMS or wait for a data connection.
    Thank you.
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    07-14-2017 12:01 PM
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