1. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    This presents an interesting question. Do we actually believe Steph is the star on that team? In other words, do we think the Warriors would be less championship worthy without Steph by a large margin? He’s not very consistent in the finals to be honest. The greatness of the warriors is that when Steph is off, there are other stars to pick up the slack. This past finals was the KD show through and through, IMO.
    Steph Curry is indeed the star and franchise player of the Golden State Warriors.
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    07-08-2018 04:04 PM
  2. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    All I know is if Lebron wins another championship he will have no choice but to be on the list with all the names you’ve all mentioned in this thread. Moving team to team is a character trait. But from a skills and stats perspective, he’s easily up there with the greats. Let’s not forget Jordan wasn’t a bull his whole career. Heck, he wasn’t even an NBA player is whole career lol.
    Even if he wins another championship, he will NEVER be on the list I mentioned above because he has not played for one team his entire NBA career. He will, however, be among the GOATS of the game. There’s no doubt about that!
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    07-08-2018 04:06 PM
  3. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    Yes lol. I’m just too competitive for that. Sports and employment are two different things. I’m, personally, not going to buddy up with the team that just washed me and the guys I’ve played with for years. Nor am I going to think highly of a teammate who does that. I’ve played way too many pickup games to know what the feeling of that loss feels like. Ain’t no way I’m joining the guys that just beat me. We are going to rest up and be right back the next game lol.
    That’s where you’re wrong. Pro sports is an occupation. As for not buddying up to the team that just beat you, what if you get traded to that team. Are you telling me you wouldn’t do whatever it took to win with those guys? Would you sabotage the new season with your new colleagues for them beating you the previous season with your former colleagues?



    And that’s his prerogative to do so. I’m only saying it’s not for me. There are many other teams he could have went to. And OKC almost took that series. They were a very capable team and, IMO, he bailed on them.
    He didn’t bail on ‘em. He completed the terms of his contractual obligation and then decided to take his services elsewhere. No one can say that he didn’t give his all during his OKC tenure. Apparently, he felt that he could not reach his full potential there and clearly he was right...
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    07-08-2018 04:59 PM
  4. Quis89's Avatar
    That’s where you’re wrong. Pro sports is an occupation. As for not buddying up to the team that just beat you, what if you get traded to that team. Are you telling me you wouldn’t do whatever it took to win with those guys? Would you sabotage the new season with your new colleagues for them beating you the previous season with your former colleagues?





    He didn’t bail on ‘em. He completed the terms of his contractual obligation and then decided to take his services elsewhere. No one can say that he didn’t give his all during his OKC tenure. Apparently, he felt that he could not reach his full potential there and clearly he was right...
    Pro Sports is the occupation. Playing basketball is the occupation. It was his choice to play for the team that just beat him. I’m not debating his ability to do so. I’m just saying from a competitive lens, it was a trash move.

    You must be a Warriors fan lol. Only Warriors fans defend KDs move so strongly lol.
    07-08-2018 05:18 PM
  5. Quis89's Avatar
    Steph Curry is indeed the star and franchise player of the Golden State Warriors.
    Career stats put Durant above Steph though. And the finals performances of the last two years of them being team mates are in KDs favor. The year they lost to the Cavs (prior to KD joining them) showed Curry’s weakness. I’m riding with KD on who the true star of that team is personally lol. Finals MVP two years running doesn’t lie lol.
    07-08-2018 05:24 PM
  6. Quis89's Avatar
    Well then what’s the list? Best players who played for the same team through their career? Jordan isn’t on that list then, right?
    Edit: I reread the list and there’s no Jordan mention. My bad lol.
    07-08-2018 05:28 PM
  7. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    Career stats put Durant above Steph though. And the finals performances of the last two years of them being team mates are in KDs favor. The year they lost to the Cavs (prior to KD joining them) showed Curry’s weakness. I’m riding with KD on who the true star of that team is personally lol. Finals MVP two years running doesn’t lie lol.
    Don’t misunderstand me. I didn’t say that Curry was better than KD because he’s not, but that doesn’t mean that the Warriors are better with KD than with Steph. Steph is the engine that makes the team go. He is the face of the team, crowds flock to the arenas to see him and he has the respect of the entire team. He’s their leader and franchise player. That’s a fact!
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    07-08-2018 05:57 PM
  8. mumfoau's Avatar
    I guess I can see both sides (loyalty vs leaving). At the end of the day though, KD did was best for him and his sensibilities. To be honest, more people need to do that as opposed to staying in “bad” situations and being unfulfilled. And that’s sports and non-sports alike. Lol
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    07-08-2018 06:09 PM
  9. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    Yes lol. I’m just too competitive for that. Sports and employment are two different things.
    Hold up! Professional sports and employment are indeed the same thing. The NBA, NFL, NHL, MLB, WNBA, etcetera are all businesses and the players and coaches are contracted employees.
    I’m, personally, not going to buddy up with the team that just washed me and the guys I’ve played with for years. Nor am I going to think highly of a teammate who does that. I’ve played way too many pickup games to know what the feeling of that loss feels like. Ain’t no way I’m joining the guys that just beat me. We are going to rest up and be right back the next game lol.
    Okay, what if you get traded to the team that just beat you? Are you going to purposely sabotage the season with that team because you’re still ticked that they beat you or will you devote your time and effort to making your new team better?



    And that’s his prerogative to do so. I’m only saying it’s not for me. There are many other teams he could have went to. And OKC almost took that series. They were a very capable team and, IMO, he bailed on them.
    Every NBA team has been beaten by every other NBA team at some point. If you signed a contract to be with an organization for 8 years and then went on and gave that organization your all for those 8 years and then felt that your growth as a man and an athlete was not progressing, would you sign another contract with that team, knowing things will pretty much stay the same or would you opt to go to an organization where you can grow both as a man and as an athlete? Sure, there were other teams he could have joined, but clearly they were not the best choice for him and the one he chose clearly was because he is now a two-time NBA champion and a two-time Finals MVP.
    07-08-2018 06:24 PM
  10. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    I guess I can see both sides (loyalty vs leaving). At the end of the day though, KD did was best for him and his sensibilities. To be honest, more people need to do that as opposed to staying in “bad” situations and being unfulfilled. And that’s sports and non-sports alike. Lol
    No doubt about it and I, too, understand both viewpoints. However, in KD’s case, he completed his contractual obligation to OKC and was preparing to leave anyway.
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    07-08-2018 06:47 PM
  11. Quis89's Avatar
    Hold up! Professional sports and employment are indeed the same thing. The NBA, NFL, NHL, MLB, WNBA, etcetera are all businesses and the players and coaches are
    contracted employees.
    Ok.

    Okay, what if you get traded to the team that just beat you? Are you going to purposely sabotage the season with that team because you’re still ticked that they beat you or will you devote your time and effort to making your new team better?
    He didn't get traded. He willingly chose to join the team that just came back from a 3-1 deficit against his former team. It's the age old, "If you can't beat em, join em". Which I'm simply not a fan of from a competitive lens. You're changing the argument to sabotage. If you're traded, you can't help that. But you CAN help the fact that you willingly went to join the team that you were unable to beat.


    Every NBA team has been beaten by every other NBA team at some point. If you signed a contract to be with an organization for 8 years and then went on and gave that organization your all for those 8 years and then felt that your growth as a man and an athlete was not progressing, would you sign another contract with that team, knowing things will pretty much stay the same or would you opt to go to an organization where you can grow both as a man and as an athlete? Sure, there were other teams he could have joined, but clearly they were not the best choice for him and the one he chose clearly was because he is now a two-time NBA champion and a two-time Finals MVP.
    Again, I'm just saying I'm not a fan of it. It's well within his rights to do whatever he pleases. I'm not even saying he should have stayed with OKC. I'm just saying of ALLLLLLL the teams he could have went to...he goes to the team that he was unable to overcome. It's weak, in my opinion. There's a reason everyone says that all roads lead to Golden State. That was being said prior to KD joining. So, if you know that...rather than proving the doubters wrong you decide to jump ship? That's cool and I'm happy for his success. Of course he was going to win a ring with that team. There isn't a team in the league with the level of talent on that roster. Golden State is fun to watch. I'm just personally not a fan of that move. The league I grew up on saw Tracy McGrady on Houston. Jordan was a Bull. Vince Carter was a Raptor. Kobe was a Laker. We had staples on teams. Iverson was a 76er. Granted several of them were traded or made moves later in their careers but I don't recall a premier player jumping ship in their prime to the best teams in the league at the time simply to say they won a ring. (Until KG went to Boston, maybe lol) So regardless of how it's explained or rationalized, I'll never cheer it on lol. There are a lot of incredible players who never won a ring simply because they didn't do what KD did. Of course, through no fault of their own. It's just weak to me.


    But hey...it is what it is. Agree to disagree. My Pistons got the coach of the year last year in Doug Casey. I'm just focused on them rising now, lol. With Zaza, Robinson and Calderon signed, I'm hoping we can be formidable in the East. Now that Lebron's out West, it's anyones chance now.

    But of course...all roads lead to Golden State smh.
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    07-09-2018 10:15 AM
  12. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    Ok.



    He didn't get traded. He willingly chose to join the team that just came back from a 3-1 deficit against his former team. It's the age old, "If you can't beat em, join em". Which I'm simply not a fan of from a competitive lens. You're changing the argument to sabotage. If you're traded, you can't help that. But you CAN help the fact that you willingly went to join the team that you were unable to beat.
    Yeah, you’re right about that....




    Again, I'm just saying I'm not a fan of it. It's well within his rights to do whatever he pleases. I'm not even saying he should have stayed with OKC. I'm just saying of ALLLLLLL the teams he could have went to...he goes to the team that he was unable to overcome. It's weak, in my opinion. There's a reason everyone says that all roads lead to Golden State. That was being said prior to KD joining. So, if you know that...rather than proving the doubters wrong you decide to jump ship? That's cool and I'm happy for his success. Of course he was going to win a ring with that team. There isn't a team in the league with the level of talent on that roster. Golden State is fun to watch. I'm just personally not a fan of that move. The league I grew up on saw Tracy McGrady on Houston. Jordan was a Bull. Vince Carter was a Raptor. Kobe was a Laker. We had staples on teams. Iverson was a 76er. Granted several of them were traded or made moves later in their careers but I don't recall a premier player jumping ship in their prime to the best teams in the league at the time simply to say they won a ring. (Until KG went to Boston, maybe lol) So regardless of how it's explained or rationalized, I'll never cheer it on lol. There are a lot of incredible players who never won a ring simply because they didn't do what KD did. Of course, through no fault of their own. It's just weak to me.
    I completely understand your stance. I really do. Now speaking of T-Mac, you do know he was with the Raptors and the Magic before going to Houston, right?.....(Laughing)


    But hey...it is what it is. Agree to disagree. My Pistons got the coach of the year last year in Doug Casey. I'm just focused on them rising now, lol. With Zaza, Robinson and Calderon signed, I'm hoping we can be formidable in the East. Now that Lebron's out West, it's anyones chance now.

    But of course...all roads lead to Golden State smh.
    AMEN to that!
    07-10-2018 08:44 PM
  13. Quis89's Avatar
    I completely understand your stance. I really do. Now speaking of T-Mac, you do know he was with the Raptors and the Magic before going to Houston, right?.....(Laughing)!
    Sure...but remember he wasn't the star of that Raptors team. Carter was. McGrady wasn't even an elite scorer while he played for the Raptors. He wanted to lead a team so he left to Orlando. I definitely understand that move. And he didn't willingly go to the Rockets. He was traded with several players to the Rockets. IMO, that's a little bit different. In addition to the fact that the Orlando team he joined wasn't already established. HE did that. He went from Tracy McGrady to T-Mac lol.

    But at the same time...he's also on that list of incredible players with no ring.
    07-11-2018 09:50 AM
  14. Spencerdl's Avatar
    Wow, what did I miss...LOL and no I'm not going back to read all that stuff...LOL.
    Team to beat for about the fifth year in a row is GSW.
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    07-11-2018 09:54 AM
  15. Quis89's Avatar
    Wow, what did I miss...LOL and no I'm not going back to read all that stuff...LOL.
    Team to beat for about the fifth year in a row is GSW.
    This is the consensus we all agree upon lol. You didn't miss much haha.
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    07-11-2018 10:00 AM
  16. Spencerdl's Avatar
    When does the regular NBA season begin anyway? I know there's a time when the NBA, NFL & MLB are all playing at the same time, I even think the NHL is playing also.
    07-12-2018 04:03 PM
  17. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    When does the regular NBA season begin anyway? I know there's a time when the NBA, NFL & MLB are all playing at the same time, I even think the NHL is playing also.
    According the the Wikipedia, the upcoming preseason will begin September 29th and end October 12th.
    The regular season begins days later.

    Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018–19_NBA_season
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    07-12-2018 07:39 PM
  18. Spencerdl's Avatar
    Are you guys ready for the start of the NBA season. I actually love this time of year when Football, Baseball and Basketball is going on.
    10-14-2018 09:09 AM
  19. mumfoau's Avatar
    Most definitely. I feel like my Bulls will improve on last years .500, 8th seed season output.
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    10-14-2018 09:09 AM
  20. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    Are you guys ready for the start of the NBA season. I actually love this time of year when Football, Baseball and Basketball is going on.
    Yes sir, I am. I’m excited to see the Dubs try to three-peat.
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    10-14-2018 11:33 AM
  21. Spencerdl's Avatar
    I like to Pelicans over the Rockets tonight. Any thoughts?
    10-17-2018 08:10 PM
  22. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    I like to Pelicans over the Rockets tonight. Any thoughts?
    The Pelicans are more than capable of beating ANY team in the NBA, in my opinion. Having said that, I’m not sure that their deep enough to hang tough with the Rockets. We’ll know soon enough, though. I have a 10 PM conference call that I hope doesn’t last long.
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    10-17-2018 09:09 PM
  23. Spencerdl's Avatar
    The Pelicans are more than capable of beating ANY team in the NBA, in my opinion. Having said that, I’m not sure that their deep enough to hang tough with the Rockets. We’ll know soon enough, though. I have a 10 PM conference call that I hope doesn’t last long.
    Well the Pelicans win 131 - 112....I guess they was deep enough tonight.
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    10-17-2018 10:33 PM
  24. Spencerdl's Avatar
    Those Golden State Warriors Championship Rings are NICE...WOW
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    10-17-2018 10:39 PM
  25. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    Well the Pelicans win 131 - 112....I guess they was deep enough tonight.
    No doubt about that!....
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    10-18-2018 07:11 AM
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