1. jclisenby's Avatar
    The only thing that needs to be argued here is whether Trayvon attacked GZimm or not. If he attacked him, then the shooting was justified. If not, then GZimm is guilty. The best way to tell that is of GZimm had the wounds on his body as described. Photos and evidence show he had wounds to the face. That basically proves he was attacked. That gives him the authority to use any means necessary to protect himself under the stand your ground laws. He will be judged not guilty before long and be a free man.
    07-09-2012 11:33 AM
  2. grunt0300's Avatar
    The only thing that needs to be argued here is whether Trayvon attacked GZimm or not. If he attacked him, then the shooting was justified. If not, then GZimm is guilty. The best way to tell that is of GZimm had the wounds on his body as described. Photos and evidence show he had wounds to the face. That basically proves he was attacked. That gives him the authority to use any means necessary to protect himself under the stand your ground laws. He will be judged not guilty before long and be a free man.
    According to the Police Surgeon, Zimmerman's wounds were consistent with someone who was held down on a hard surface, and beaten severely about the head and shoulders. Trayvon's wounds (to his fists), were consistent with someone who did the beating. Once again, i do feel sorry for Trayvon's family, but not for him. He was a punk, and maybe they knew it, but they couldn't turn his life around.
    07-09-2012 11:45 AM
  3. Eileen89's Avatar
    ^ I'll just wait to see what comes out in the court room as I am not convinced that it actually went down that way since Zimmerman's story hasn't been a consistent one from the start. I can't feel sorry for a guy who purposely went after someone when he was outright told to stay back. However, I do not think it's right and do feel bad that Zimmerman and his family have been receiving death threats, that is just wrong....


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    07-09-2012 08:25 PM
  4. jclisenby's Avatar
    ^ I'll just wait to see what comes out in the court room as I am not convinced that it actually went down that way since Zimmerman's story hasn't been a consistent one from the start. I can't feel sorry for a guy who purposely went after someone when he was outright told to stay back. However, I do not think it's right and do feel bad that Zimmerman and his family have been receiving death threats, that is just wrong....


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    That's the thing. He was never told to stay back. He was advised by 911 that following was not required, but never ordered by a police officer to stop. As a neighborhood watch volunteer, it's his responsibility to watch the neighborhood for suspicious behavior, track that behavior, and report to the police. He did all these things and whether treyvon beat him badly or just punched him, GZimm had every right by the law to shoot him. End of story. I don't even see why there is a trial.
    07-09-2012 10:12 PM
  5. grunt0300's Avatar
    ^ I'll just wait to see what comes out in the court room as I am not convinced that it actually went down that way since Zimmerman's story hasn't been a consistent one from the start. I can't feel sorry for a guy who purposely went after someone when he was outright told to stay back. However, I do not think it's right and do feel bad that Zimmerman and his family have been receiving death threats, that is just wrong....


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    O.K., fair enough. However, let's see if we can find a prosecuter who has the guts to indict Al Sharpton, for inciting a riot. This bigot always manages to show up, and do his best to whip people into a frenzy, and it's all for the media attention.
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    07-09-2012 10:17 PM
  6. Eileen89's Avatar
    That's the thing. He was never told to stay back. He was advised by 911 that following was not required, but never ordered by a police officer to stop. As a neighborhood watch volunteer, it's his responsibility to watch the neighborhood for suspicious behavior, track that behavior, and report to the police. He did all these things and whether treyvon beat him badly or just punched him, GZimm had every right by the law to shoot him. End of story. I don't even see why there is a trial.
    Again, I do not agree, based on the fact that Zimmerman was a self appointed watchman who did not have a right to carry a gun. If someone came after me with a gun you can bet I'm going to use every means possible to protect myself which is what I and many others think that Trayvon was doing that night. Don't forget about the woman who heard Trayvon begging for his life just before the shots rang out.

    The manual, from the National Neighborhood Watch Program, states: "It should be emphasized to members that they do not possess police powers, and they shall not carry weapons or pursue vehicles. They should also be cautioned to alert police or deputies when encountering strange activity. Members should never confront suspicious persons who could be armed and dangerous." http://gma.yahoo.com/neighborhood-wa...-abc-news.html



    He is NOT a cop and therefore should not have acted like one that night. He is the one who put himself in the situation that he is in now and absolutely there should be a trial since he did MURDER someone.


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    07-09-2012 10:48 PM
  7. Eileen89's Avatar
    O.K., fair enough. However, let's see if we can find a prosecuter who has the guts to indict Al Sharpton, for inciting a riot. This bigot always manages to show up, and do his best to whip people into a frenzy, and it's all for the media attention.
    Now this is something I do agree with. I'm tired of this loudmouth myself. To me this guy is nothing but a troll.


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    07-09-2012 10:50 PM
  8. jclisenby's Avatar
    Again, I do not agree, based on the fact that Zimmerman was a self appointed watchman who did not have a right to carry a gun. If someone came after me with a gun you can bet I'm going to use every means possible to protect myself which is what I and many others think that Trayvon was doing that night. Don't forget about the woman who heard Trayvon begging for his life just before the shots rang out.

    The manual, from the National Neighborhood Watch Program, states: "It should be emphasized to members that they do not possess police powers, and they shall not carry weapons or pursue vehicles. They should also be cautioned to alert police or deputies when encountering strange activity. Members should never confront suspicious persons who could be armed and dangerous." http://gma.yahoo.com/neighborhood-wa...-abc-news.html



    He is NOT a cop and therefore should not have acted like one that night. He is the one who put himself in the situation that he is in now and absolutely there should be a trial since he did MURDER someone.


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    Yes, as a watchman he was not licensed to carry. However, he has a personal license that allows him to carry. He alerted the police and he did not follow a vehicle. He was monitoring a suspicious person in the neighborhood.

    The stand your ground laws specifically state that if you feel "in imminent danger" you have the right to "defend yourself with any necessary force, up to and including deadly force." Whether he was out on business or not, if someone touches him he has the right to fire. So if Trayvon even so much as layed a hand on him, he has the right to shoot.

    And he never confronted him. He was following him on the neighborhood sidewalks until he was approached by Trayvon. If he wasn't looking for trouble then he should not have been walking in a hoodie in a fenced neighborhood.
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    07-09-2012 11:07 PM
  9. rayz336's Avatar
    Yes, as a watchman he was not licensed to carry. However, he has a personal license that allows him to carry. He alerted the police and he did not follow a vehicle. He was monitoring a suspicious person in the neighborhood.

    The stand your ground laws specifically state that if you feel "in imminent danger" you have the right to "defend yourself with any necessary force, up to and including deadly force." Whether he was out on business or not, if someone touches him he has the right to fire. So if Trayvon even so much as layed a hand on him, he has the right to shoot.

    And he never confronted him. He was following him on the neighborhood sidewalks until he was approached by Trayvon. If he wasn't looking for trouble then he should not have been walking in a hoodie in a fenced neighborhood.
    I have an issue with your last sentence. It shouldn't matter what a person is wearing. That is akin to saying if a young woman is not looking for someone to assault her she shouldn't wear revealing clothing. I think that is completely unreasonable. As I'm not familiar with the stand your ground laws, I may be missing something but if you follow someone and it escalates into an altercation that should not give you the right to do whatever you please.


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    07-09-2012 11:31 PM
  10. sherlock's Avatar
    I vote we let the court system work it out. One way or another it will get resolved and justice as it is, will be served. We will never know the truth but that is our system... I just hope no innocent people get hurt after the outcome whatever it is.
    07-09-2012 11:52 PM
  11. rayz336's Avatar
    I vote we let the court system work it out. One way or another it will get resolved and justice as it is, will be served. We will never know the truth but that is our system... I just hope no innocent people get hurt after the outcome whatever it is.
    True, that is for the best.


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    07-09-2012 11:57 PM
  12. jclisenby's Avatar
    I have an issue with your last sentence. It shouldn't matter what a person is wearing. That is akin to saying if a young woman is not looking for someone to assault her she shouldn't wear revealing clothing. I think that is completely unreasonable. As I'm not familiar with the stand your ground laws, I may be missing something but if you follow someone and it escalates into an altercation that should not give you the right to do whatever you please.


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    We have the stand your ground laws in our state and I have looked over them carefully to know my rights. Basically, if you are ever in a situation where you feel in "imminent danger" you can use any means necessary to defend yourself. It doesn't matter whether you said something to make someone mad or what. As long as you don't go out and throw the first punch or make the first shove, you can respond with force.

    There are lots of intricacies to these laws; however, the message is clear and the implementation is pretty standard across all states that have them. You can use any force you are legally allowed to obtain. If you can carry a firearm, you can use if you you are threatened. If you carry a knife, you may use it when threatened.

    In this case, GZimm felt threatened and he acted accordingly. We will see what happens in court.
    07-10-2012 12:28 AM
  13. jclisenby's Avatar
    I say that's enough about George Zimmerman and this BS! Let's enjoy our iOS devices and our Freedom!
    07-10-2012 12:44 AM
  14. kch50428's Avatar
    FBI: No racial bias in Trayvon Martin shooting Hot Air

    The establishment media is rather ignoring this... so much for their meme.
    07-13-2012 12:55 PM
  15. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    I'm late to the punch here but this is my stance...

    Whether he killed that kid legitimately or maliciously, that is for the court to figure out now that it has been placed in their hands, and as a tax paying citizen who enforces law, if it were me, i would want the justice system to properly handle this situation.

    Damn the disgusting, and nightmarish media (as usual) for turning this situation into a racial fiasco...and that is EXACTLY what happened. It's the mob mentality...and the media is the one that sparked the fire, kept pouring gas on the fire, and when the fire fizzled, reignited it. Over and over and over again.

    It's a nasty practice, but it also shows the gross generalized racism that exists on all sides of the fence in our country now, which is unfortunate, because this proves to be a detriment to getting proper treatment after being convicted of a crime...innocent or not.
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    07-13-2012 04:22 PM
  16. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    I'm late to the punch here but this is my stance...

    Whether he killed that kid legitimately or maliciously, that is for the court to figure out now that it has been placed in their hands, and as a tax paying citizen who enforces law, if it were me, i would want the justice system to properly handle this situation.

    Damn the disgusting, and nightmarish media (as usual) for turning this situation into a racial fiasco...and that is EXACTLY what happened. It's the mob mentality...and the media is the one that sparked the fire, kept pouring gas on the fire, and when the fire fizzled, reignited it. Over and over and over again.

    It's a nasty practice, but it also shows the gross generalized racism that exists on all sides of the fence in our country now, which is unfortunate, because this proves to be a detriment to getting proper treatment after being convicted of a crime...innocent or not.
    Very well stated, my friend
    07-13-2012 05:19 PM
  17. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    Just to put this out there too...at one point the NAACP was getting involved by putting money behind the prosecution of this man. I've felt this way for years, but rarely does it so blatantly show its ugly face like this...the NAACP is no different than the KKK in my eyes, because they not only fuel rebel rousing, but they also sway social groups by misdirection, looking beneficial to the black community in one light, but operating as a poison in the shadow.

    I've received a lot of flack for this stance over the years...and even did a thesis paper at school reflecting my thoughts on this years ago (with some serious details to back up my claims). You want to see focused bigotry in our society that disguises itself as something pure? Look no further than the NAACP...at least the disgusting practices of the Ku Klux Klan are done wide out and in the open (again, i emphasize my distaste for them as well).
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    07-13-2012 05:37 PM
  18. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    Just to put this out there too...at one point the NAACP was getting involved by putting money behind the prosecution of this man. I've felt this way for years, but rarely does it so blatantly show its ugly face like this...the NAACP is no different than the KKK in my eyes, because they not only fuel rebel rousing, but they also sway social groups by misdirection, looking beneficial to the black community in one light, but operating as a poison in the shadow.

    I've received a lot of flack for this stance over the years...and even did a thesis paper at school reflecting my thoughts on this years ago (with some serious details to back up my claims). You want to see focused bigotry in our society that disguises itself as something pure? Look no further than the NAACP...at least the disgusting practices of the Ku Klux Klan are done wide out and in the open (again, i emphasize my distaste for them as well).
    This is America so feel free to express your opinion(s) because I will indeed express mine. Having said that, This modern incarnation of the NAACP is a disgrace. Instead of being the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, it has become the National Association for the Advancement of Corrupt Politics, in my personal opinion, and I don't like it one bit. Politicking against school vouchers, constantly demanding to be included while fighting to exclude others among other things sickens me to the core and is a slap in the face of Dr. King and others who TRULY had an AMERICAN dream. But hey, that's for another time and another platform (Twitter). Furthermore, not everyone shares my viewpoint on this, but hey, that's why we all have opinions. Take care and have a great evening.


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