1. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    Why do you think everyone is calling you out specifically?
    "Everyone" is NOT calling me out specifically. In fact, I haven't even posted anything that needed calling out. Some of you simply don't like the fact that I dare say publicly that I didn't care that Tim Cook was gay. I can only assume it was taken as a slight when it was even like that at all.
    This isn't about you.
    Then why respond to what I posted?
    It is about Tim.
    True, and I said that I didn't care if he was gay, and I still don't. Am I not allowed to comment in a forum thread?
    "ignorance" is debatable.
    Nice try...
    10-30-2014 02:59 PM
  2. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    I never said there were any of those things.
    But there is a difference between someone stating they are straight because as I said above that is the presumed default in our society. For example, if I'm at work and someone asks me how my weekend was and I say something like "Ed and I didn't do much. Just hung out at home", no one would think twice about it. But someone who hasn't publicly (or to their coworkers or friends) stated that they are gay, has to "self-filter" and rather than being able to answer the question naturally (like if I said, "Sally and I…), they have to make something up or else leave out the info that they spent a pleasant weekend at home with their SO. Someone stating that they are gay to friends, family, and coworkers (or in Tim Cook's case, publicly because he was already a well-known public figure), just means they can turn that "self-filter" off and talk about normal friends and family stuff without always having to watch what they say.
    Karen, I understand your point, and my quoted comment was not directed at you...
    10-30-2014 03:00 PM
  3. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    It doesn't bother me that he made an "announcement" on it, so to speak. I wasn't in the want-to-know camp, but I don't really think he should keep quiet about it if he doesn't want to. Some people feel compelled to let you know that they're gay just like some people feel compelled to let me know that they have a belief in "god." I can't tell you how many times I've come across people who I've known for five minutes that just want to make sure that I know that they're Christian. If it makes them feel better to engage in communicating, that's fine. I personally am more offended when I'm told "god bless you" at the end of a conversation because now you're assuming that I also believe in what you do. The same way I'd be offended if someone casually told me they're gay in a conversation without me ever inquiring and they all of a sudden make a pass at me without knowing if I'm homosexual or not.
    He can tell anyone he wants to tell, but that doesn't mean he should. Again, I don't care about him being gay. That's his business. At the same time, with any announcement comes those who will celebrate, those who will complain and those who will not care. I fall in the "I don't care" category. That's all I'm saying...
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    10-30-2014 03:06 PM
  4. Spencerdl's Avatar
    Whoa, what happened in here. It's not that serious. Tim Cook is who he is...PERIOD. It doesn't change anything for me about Apple products...."It is what it is"
    10-30-2014 03:11 PM
  5. Illustrator Joe's Avatar
    "Everyone" is NOT calling me out specifically. In fact, I haven't even posted anything that needed calling out. Some of you simply don't like the fact that I dare say publicly that I didn't care that Tim Cook was gay. I can only assume it was taken as a slight when it was even like that at all. Then why respond to what I posted? True, and I said that I didn't care if he was gay, and I still don't. Am I not allowed to comment in a forum thread?
    Nice try...
    Don't do that. No one is telling you you can't post here. I may not agree with everything you say. I am just engaging you in conversation. Just because I disagree with you does not mean I don't think you have the right to express yourself. My point is and will continue to be, is that very often when these type of topics come up people say they don't need to know/or care if the person is gay. Then continue to make sure to state they are heterosexual (which you did in your first post). I find this sentiment to be extremely hypocritical.
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    10-30-2014 03:14 PM
  6. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    Don't do that. No one is telling you you can't post here. I may not agree with everything you say. I am just engaging you in conversation. Just because I disagree with you does not mean I don't think you have the right to express yourself. My point is and will continue to be, is that very often when these type of topics come up people say they don't need to know/or care if the person is gay. Then continue to make sure to state they are heterosexual (which you did in your first post). I find this sentiment to be extremely hypocritical.
    I understand what you're saying, Joe. I really do, and I don't have a problem with your replies and comments. You should know by now that I can be very opinionated, and today is no different. I didn't go out of my way to say that I'm straight and it was not an intended act or something that was premeditated. The point is that if he's gay, then be gay. By telling the world, he is purposely bringing attention to himself, which in turn, brings scrutiny. Whether people agree with some of the scrutiny is irrelevant. His "coming out" has been the headline on numerous sources. Some see it one way and some see it another, and furthermore, while the news itself may be about Tim, the significance of his coming out, as evidenced in this thread, is about more than Tim. If it weren't then comments like, "I don't care" wouldn't be an issue.....
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    10-30-2014 05:06 PM
  7. Sekelani Zwambila's Avatar
    I find it awesome.... Nothing wrong with announcing your private life to the public... Nothing wrong with being gay either... We should respect each other regardless....
    It's obvious why he did so because being gay had a negative connotation in certain religious... I guess he felt he needed to reach out to people who are afraid to come out with the truth because society will dismiss there sexuality.....
    Glad to see the comments here are positive...
    Gay or straight we are all humans at the end of the day...
    Respect that...
    10-30-2014 05:46 PM
  8. boeingrules's Avatar
    I understand what you're saying, Joe. I really do, and I don't have a problem with your replies and comments. You should know by now that I can be very opinionated, and today is no different. I didn't go out of my way to say that I'm straight and it was not an intended act or something that was premeditated. The point is that if he's gay, then be gay. By telling the world, he is purposely bringing attention to himself, which in turn, brings scrutiny. Whether people agree with some of the scrutiny is irrelevant. His "coming out" has been the headline on numerous sources. Some see it one way and some see it another, and furthermore, while the news itself may be about Tim, the significance of his coming out, as evidenced in this thread, is about more than Tim. If it weren't then comments like, "I don't care" wouldn't be an issue.....
    It is not Tim that is bringing attention to his sexuality. It is the world and the media that is. Today, in this world, sexuality is unfortunately still a big part in defining a person. People are still judged for it and discriminated against because of it, which sucks.

    People need to start understanding that the difference between a gay person and a straight person really doesn't matter. It's like the difference between a right handed and a left handed person. Their brains might be wired slightly differently, but at the end of the day it's not a choice, and most importantly, it doesn't really make a difference. It doesn't need to be announced or hidden. It can be talked about freely, it's just that it isn't really that interesting to talk about. It'll just be another fun fact like his favourite color.

    If Tim had come out as left handed, the media would say, "Ok, cool," and move on with their lives. He doesn't need to be criticised for announcing his hand orientation, because it doesn't matter. And if being left handed doesn't matter, then announcing you're left handed also shouldn't matter. This is the equality we should be working towards.

    But Tim did not come out as left handed. He came out as gay. And it is the media and the internet that is making a big deal about it, not Cook.
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    11-02-2014 12:45 AM
  9. jmr1015's Avatar
    ^^^^ This

    It is also weird that people see sexuality as so black-or-white... Gay or straight...
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    11-02-2014 01:30 AM
  10. iHackPro's Avatar
    Coming out is a difficult thing for some people and I'm glad Tim has been able to do it.
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    11-02-2014 01:31 AM
  11. annaharris's Avatar
    Tim Cook has it's own personal life, and its upto him whatever he does in his personal life. No-one has any rights to comment whatever goes in his personal life.
    11-03-2014 06:49 AM
  12. Nanci's Avatar
    So at work, no one should have pics of their kids on their desk? No one should have a pic of their SO? No one should ever ask someone else, "hey what did you do last weekend" or share what awesome experience they had over the weekend with xyz? Or what great movie, he/she went to see with xyz. No one should talk about their pets? No one should talk about sports either because what teams you support is part of your personal life? Likewise talking about the latest TV show you watched the night before. That's something you do as part of your personal life.
    If people never mentioned anything about their personal lives at work, most people would probably say absolutely nothing all day. If that's what you truly meant and abide by yourself at work, then ok. But I find it difficult to believe that you've never mentioned or talked about some of the things I listed above with your colleagues.
    I have a friend on a different forum who, a few years ago, had to FIGHT to be able to post pics of herself and her wife on a camping trip!

    I have another couple of friends, now, a gay couple who have been together for about 8 years. They never get pics taken together, because someone might suspect. They aren't friends on Facebook. They are afraid someone might notice they post pics of the same dogs! All because one works at a religious-based hospital, and fears that if it was discovered he's gay, he'd lose his job.

    In this day and age, that is simply unacceptable.
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    11-03-2014 09:01 AM
  13. tharley46's Avatar
    I don't agree with being gay but too each his/her own


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    11-03-2014 09:37 AM
  14. the_tech_eater's Avatar
    I have a friend on a different forum who, a few years ago, had to FIGHT to be able to post pics of herself and her wife on a camping trip!

    I have another couple of friends, now, a gay couple who have been together for about 8 years. They never get pics taken together, because someone might suspect. They aren't friends on Facebook. They are afraid someone might notice they post pics of the same dogs! All because one works at a religious-based hospital, and fears that if it was discovered he's gay, he'd lose his job.

    In this day and age, that is simply unacceptable.
    If he works at a religious hospital, he has to respect their beliefs just as much as they have to respect his homosexuality.
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    11-03-2014 09:56 AM
  15. Septembersrain's Avatar
    This is why I think there are certain levels of your personal life you shouldn't take to work.

    It's okay to talk about where you want to vacation at. It's okay to talk about your dog, cat, cars, phones, etc.

    However once you get into the intimate aspects, that's where it can get too personal. That's where I'd draw the line to prevent things from becoming unprofessional.
    the_tech_eater and calebt like this.
    11-03-2014 10:06 AM
  16. Les74's Avatar
    This is why I think there are certain levels of your personal life you shouldn't take to work.

    It's okay to talk about where you want to vacation at. It's okay to talk about your dog, cat, cars, phones, etc.

    However once you get into the intimate aspects, that's where it can get too personal. That's where I'd draw the line to prevent things from becoming unprofessional.
    Have you never once talked about your significant other at work?
    11-03-2014 07:43 PM
  17. sanibel's Avatar
    However once you get into the intimate aspects, that's where it can get too personal. That's where I'd draw the line to prevent things from becoming unprofessional.
    I draw a big distinction between being able to talk about your spouse vs. sharing intimate stories. Often I'm being asked about my spouse and it has nothing to do with intimacy, just plain vanilla conversations.
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    11-03-2014 08:06 PM
  18. Maladroit23's Avatar
    I TOTALLY agree with this post
    I have no interest whatsoever in knowing about his personal life. If he's gay, that's his business, and I don't see the need to go out and tell the world about it. I'm not out telling the world I'm straight, but that's Just Me, D...
    You guys. Being straight is still not the same as being gay. Duh. Homosexuals still have to deal with discrimination. That's why there are few if any openly gay rappers, athletes or politicians. They're not just keeping their sexual orientation private. They have to keep it secret. About time a CEO of a powerful brand comes out.
    11-03-2014 08:26 PM
  19. Maladroit23's Avatar
    This is why I think there are certain levels of your personal life you shouldn't take to work.

    It's okay to talk about where you want to vacation at. It's okay to talk about your dog, cat, cars, phones, etc.

    However once you get into the intimate aspects, that's where it can get too personal. That's where I'd draw the line to prevent things from becoming unprofessional.
    Every single person in my side of the office has mentioned their spouses and it's been fine. Until the day when homosexuals feel completely comfortable doing the same, I will commend any public figures who speak up about their homosexuality so it's less of an elephant in the room and more of completely accepted thing.
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    11-03-2014 08:29 PM
  20. sanibel's Avatar
    Yeah, like my bluetooth iP6 issues.
    11-03-2014 08:32 PM
  21. Maladroit23's Avatar
    Yeah, like my bluetooth iP6 issues.
    Haha
    11-03-2014 08:40 PM
  22. Septembersrain's Avatar
    Have you never once talked about your significant other at work?
    I try not to because his career choice and personal request to keep things between us. That's just us though. Everyone is themselves.
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    11-03-2014 08:40 PM
  23. warcraftWidow's Avatar
    I try not to because his career choice and personal request to keep things between us. That's just us though. Everyone is themselves.
    But I'm guessing that just the fact that you have an SO has come up in work conversations (I've been working for over 25 years at this point in various types of jobs and it was/is always common knowledge who is single or not even if you know nothing else about the relationship). And by default people will assume the SO is a male since heterosexual relationships are in the majority. So when you are casually talking to co-workers you don't have to be "on-guard" to either 1) make sure you appear single or 2) make sure you use the "correct" (i.e., wrong) pronoun so that people don't suspect you are gay. That type of always having to be "on-guard", even in casual conversation, is very wearying to maintain. That's why Tim Cook publicly stating that he is gay is important. If it helps one additional person not have to be on-guard anymore, that's great.
    I don't have the links handy, but there's a great price by one of The Verge writers about what it personally meant to him, as well as another great article from Kara Swisher of ReCode.
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    11-03-2014 09:20 PM
  24. Spencerdl's Avatar
    You guys. Being straight is still not the same as being gay. Duh. Homosexuals still have to deal with discrimination. That's why there are few if any openly gay rappers, athletes or politicians. They're not just keeping their sexual orientation private. They have to keep it secret. About time a CEO of a powerful brand comes out.
    Interesting. I've been dealing with discrimination since I was born. Duh. I have family and friends that choose an alternate lifestyle and it doesn't change my perception of who they are or what they do. I agreed with D because I don't go around announcing that I'm straight or African American. I'm who I am ....it is what it is.
    the_tech_eater likes this.
    11-03-2014 09:40 PM
  25. the_tech_eater's Avatar
    Right now in this country if you don't agree with the gay agenda, you face discrimination, lawsuits, and even jail time.
    11-03-2014 10:07 PM
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