1. warcraftWidow's Avatar
    Oh, isn't the title of this thread misleading? If I'm not mistaken, Tim has talked about this before... Like at auburn university I believe.
    The title of the thread came from the blog post, not a forum member. Take it up with Rene if you object.
    And no, Tim Cook has never previously said in public that he was gay. He has talked (at Auburn and other places) in general advocating tolerance both in racial and sexual orientation matters.
    10-30-2014 12:57 PM
  2. the_tech_eater's Avatar
    So at work, no one should have pics of their kids on their desk? No one should have a pic of their SO? No one should ever ask someone else, "hey what did you do last weekend" or share what awesome experience they had over the weekend with xyz? Or what great movie, he/she went to see with xyz. No one should talk about their pets? No one should talk about sports either because what teams you support is part of your personal life? Likewise talking about the latest TV show you watched the night before. That's something you do as part of your personal life.
    If people never mentioned anything about their personal lives at work, most people would probably say absolutely nothing all day. If that's what you truly meant and abide by yourself at work, then ok. But I find it difficult to believe that you've never mentioned or talked about some of the things I listed above with your colleagues.
    Ok, I should have been more specific. What I meant it more like their personal sex lives. I, for myself, probably wouldn't even talk about my love life at work. But as I said, this is just my opinion, and how I do it.
    10-30-2014 12:57 PM
  3. iEd's Avatar
    I think Tim Cook is just saying he's proud of who he is.
    Because there is a negative connotation to homosexuality in our society.
    The special thing about what he is saying is that being something or someone that is frowned upon forces the individual to look at themselves and understand and be aware of who they are, truly aware of who they are. This were the pride comes in. It's more important to accept yourself even if society doesn't. That's the message. It's possible his words will reach someone struggling with accepting themselves.
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    10-30-2014 12:59 PM
  4. sanibel's Avatar
    Well I personally don't think people should talk about their personal lives at work, whether their normal or not.
    We're all normal. It depends how we look at ourselves.
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    10-30-2014 01:01 PM
  5. Illustrator Joe's Avatar
    We're all normal.
    Actually none of us are
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    10-30-2014 01:03 PM
  6. warcraftWidow's Avatar
    Ok, I should have been more specific. What I meant it more like their personal sex lives. I, for myself, probably wouldn't even talk about my love life at work. But as I said, this is just my opinion, and how I do it.
    Someone saying they are homosexual is not discussing their sex life and more than your stating that you are heterosexual is discussing your sex life. Being able to have a simple discrete photo of your SO (same gender or otherwise) on your desk is not discussing your sex life.
    Now if someone comes in the office and tries to give me a play-by-play of everyone they hooked up with over the weekend, that is discussing their sex life regardless of the gender of their partners.
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    10-30-2014 01:03 PM
  7. warcraftWidow's Avatar
    Actually none of us are
    That's what I tell my kids all the time! There is no normal. We all have our own idiosyncrasies that make us unique. And that's great.
    10-30-2014 01:04 PM
  8. Illustrator Joe's Avatar
    No. I did not shove me being straight in anyone's face, and I'm not going to sit idly by and let you advocate one person arguably shoving their preference in the face of world as being a good thing and a few of us responding about not caring and mentioning their straight preference as a bad thing. What part of "I don't care that he's gay" don't you understand? It's okay for him to not keep his personal life to himself, but it's not okay for me to mention mine? C'mon!
    It's fine if you do. I just don't care.
    10-30-2014 01:05 PM
  9. iTechHead's Avatar
    Well I personally don't think people should talk about their personal lives at work, whether their normal or not. But that's just me, and I'm a young adult that just entered the work force.
    Same
    Last edited by iTechHead; 10-30-2014 at 02:56 PM.
    10-30-2014 01:07 PM
  10. Scatabrain's Avatar
    I think I may quit interacting on the Internet. Twitter gamer fans are polluted with hate. Facebook is flooded with fear.

    Forums have been this way from the beginning but I'm starting to feel sad for all the hate, fear and ignorance online these days. This isn't new but has become increasingly loud.
    10-30-2014 01:13 PM
  11. warcraftWidow's Avatar
    I think Tim Cook is just saying he's proud of who he is.
    Because there is a negative connotation to homosexuality in our society.
    The special thing about what he is saying is that being something or someone that is frowned upon forces the individual to look at themselves and understand and be aware of who they are, truly aware of who they are. This were the pride comes in. It's more important to accept yourself even if society doesn't. That's the message. It's possible his words will reach someone struggling with accepting themselves.
    Agreed. And someone stating publicly that they are gay is different than someone publicly stating that they are straight. Now I don't care about someone publicly stating either one, but straight is the presumed default. So if I don't know you, I'm going to assume that you are straight because the vast majority of people are. And someone shouldn't need to keep quiet about their friends and family in order to appear to fulfill that presumed default to other people.
    10-30-2014 01:21 PM
  12. the_tech_eater's Avatar
    I think I may quit interacting on the Internet. Twitter gamer fans are polluted with hate. Facebook is flooded with fear.

    Forums have been this way from the beginning but I'm starting to feel sad for all the hate, fear and ignorance online these days. This isn't new but has become increasingly loud.
    There are a lot of hurting people out there that find the Internet to be a place where they can try to fill their devoid lives by trying to hurt others.
    10-30-2014 01:21 PM
  13. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    Someone please point out "hate", "fear" and "ignorance" in my initial comment and in my replies thereafter.
    10-30-2014 01:21 PM
  14. Les74's Avatar
    Umm..if you don't go shouting about it, then you won't get persecuted for it. All these people who come out, they're famous because of success or you wouldn't see news about it. They've hid it all their lives or it wouldn't be news.

    Do the math. Should this make others feel ok about doing the same if they've not reached a similar level of success? Hardly of these people coming out never faced any kind of persecution or discrimination because they remained private. How many of these people would have the same level of success if they'd not remained private about it most of their life?

    If you're gay and you want to be like Tim Cook, then follow his lead. Shut up about it.
    So because he's gay he should "shut up?" That is beyond ridiculous and kind of goes against what this country stands for....freedom.
    10-30-2014 01:25 PM
  15. Illustrator Joe's Avatar
    Someone please point out "hate", "fear" and "ignorance" in my initial comment and in my replies thereafter.
    Why do you think everyone is calling you out specifically? This isn't about you. it is about Tim.
    "ignorance" is debatable.
    10-30-2014 01:26 PM
  16. warcraftWidow's Avatar
    Someone please point out "hate", "fear" and "ignorance" in my initial comment and in my replies thereafter.
    I never said there were any of those things.
    But there is a difference between someone stating they are straight because as I said above that is the presumed default in our society. For example, if I'm at work and someone asks me how my weekend was and I say something like "Ed and I didn't do much. Just hung out at home", no one would think twice about it. But someone who hasn't publicly (or to their coworkers or friends) stated that they are gay, has to "self-filter" and rather than being able to answer the question naturally (like if I said, "Sally and I), they have to make something up or else leave out the info that they spent a pleasant weekend at home with their SO. Someone stating that they are gay to friends, family, and coworkers (or in Tim Cook's case, publicly because he was already a well-known public figure), just means they can turn that "self-filter" off and talk about normal friends and family stuff without always having to watch what they say.
    Last edited by Karenkcoulter; 10-30-2014 at 01:32 PM. Reason: typo
    10-30-2014 01:31 PM
  17. Scatabrain's Avatar
    My hate, fear, ignorance remarks are not pointed at anyone in particular.

    But in a thread about whether or not someone should be able to state they are gay or not - I think it is appropriate.
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    10-30-2014 01:32 PM
  18. anon(153966)'s Avatar
    I say less is more, let people believe what they want to believe. I wonder if he was getting pressure to 'come out'. But, like a few members on here, I'm not bothered either way, and it has no bearing on me owning Apple products...
    10-30-2014 01:37 PM
  19. Illustrator Joe's Avatar
    I never said there were any of those things.
    But there is a difference between someone stating they are straight because as I said above that is the presumed default in our society. For example, if I'm at work and someone asks me how my weekend was and I say something like "Ed and I didn't do much. Just hung out at home", no one would think twice about it. But someone who hasn't publicly (or to their coworkers or friends) stated that they are gay, has to "self-filter" and rather than being able to answer the question naturally (like if I said, "Sally and I…), they have to make something up or else leave out the info that they spent a pleasant weekend at home with their SO. Someone stating that they are gay to friends, family, and coworkers (or in Tim Cook's case, publicly because he was already a well-known public figure), just means they can turn that "self-filter" off and talk about normal friends and family stuff without always having to watch what they say.
    Well stated. I never self-filter anything I say :P
    I feel for anyone who is has been oppressed and feel that they can't just be themselves in an everyday setting. Obviously Tim has struggled with this his whole life.
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    10-30-2014 01:39 PM
  20. anon(153966)'s Avatar
    ...oh my goodness, this thread is on fire...
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    10-30-2014 01:40 PM
  21. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    It doesn't bother me that he made an "announcement" on it, so to speak. I wasn't in the want-to-know camp, but I don't really think he should keep quiet about it if he doesn't want to. Some people feel compelled to let you know that they're gay just like some people feel compelled to let me know that they have a belief in "god." I can't tell you how many times I've come across people who I've known for five minutes that just want to make sure that I know that they're Christian. If it makes them feel better to engage in communicating, that's fine. I personally am more offended when I'm told "god bless you" at the end of a conversation because now you're assuming that I also believe in what you do. The same way I'd be offended if someone casually told me they're gay in a conversation without me ever inquiring and they all of a sudden make a pass at me without knowing if I'm homosexual or not.
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    10-30-2014 02:15 PM
  22. Scatabrain's Avatar
    It doesn't bother me that he made an "announcement" on it, so to speak. I wasn't in the want-to-know camp, but I don't really think he should keep quiet about it if he doesn't want to. Some people feel compelled to let you know that they're gay just like some people feel compelled to let me know that they have a belief in "god." I can't tell you how many times I've come across people who I've known for five minutes that just want to make sure that I know that they're Christian. If it makes them feel better to engage in communicating, that's fine. I personally am more offended when I'm told "god bless you" at the end of a conversation because now you're assuming that I also believe in what you do. The same way I'd be offended if someone casually told me they're gay in a conversation without me ever inquiring and they all of a sudden make a pass at me without knowing if I'm homosexual or not.
    Yes no one should make a pass at you as 'you're the one who knocks'.
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    10-30-2014 02:18 PM
  23. zerog46's Avatar
    Wrong post.
    Last edited by zerog46; 10-30-2014 at 02:37 PM. Reason: spelling
    10-30-2014 02:25 PM
  24. zerog46's Avatar
    I would rather see this post then all the crap about politics.
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    10-30-2014 02:38 PM
  25. iTechHead's Avatar
    It's his choice at the end of the day, long as the business side of things have no affect I honestly don't think anyone cares. No one is going to stop buying apple products just because the CEO is gay. I'm a straight male but I treat everyone the same even if I don't agree with 100 percent of their decisions, which I never will because we're only human. With that being said I'll still look at Tim Cook the same way because I think he's brought great changes to Apple. In my personal opinion you have no business doing something if you're ashamed of doing it. With that being said if Tim wants to open up then by all means go ahead but afterwards let's move on from it and get back to being one of the most leading innovative companies in technology.
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    10-30-2014 02:54 PM
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