1. warcraftWidow's Avatar
    From his flowing "in your face" defence and feigned "disgust" over themes of violent movies and television, Id lay this whole mess at the feet of Rene Ritchie. He may not be the "owner", but hes the face of iMore.

    Im no regular around here, but seems like an easy call to me.
    I don't think it was "feigned" disgust over themes of violent TV and movies because I feel the same way. Humanity would die off in one generation with no sex. Humanity would be much better off if there was no violence against other people or animals.
    Is some porn disgusting and exploitative? Yes. But plenty of people enjoy watching extremely violent shows which I find pretty disgusting and exploitative of the actors and actresses involved as well.
    When I comes to my kids, I have more concern over them being exposed to violence rather than sex. Of course, at 6 and 10, I'm not talking about porn but other violent or overt sexuality on TV or the movies. If my 10 year old daughter wanted to see a specific PG-13 or R rated movie I would be more likely to refuse an extremely violent movie than a movie with nudity and sex. Of course I would be reviewing the movie first before she saw it and not just allowing it, and discussing the implications of the movie as compared to real life regardless of whether the subject was sex or violence.
    02-15-2014 07:48 PM
  2. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    I would imagine a site that's been around as long as iMore would have a system in place that prevents registered members who are younger then 18 to view these types of threads.


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    Even if they did, more than likely it would be based on the honor system.
    02-15-2014 08:27 PM
  3. HankAZ's Avatar
    I don't think it was "feigned" disgust over themes of violent TV and movies because I feel the same way. Humanity would die off in one generation with no sex. Humanity would be much better off if there was no violence against other people or animals.
    Is some porn disgusting and exploitative? Yes. But plenty of people enjoy watching extremely violent shows which I find pretty disgusting and exploitative of the actors and actresses involved as well.
    When I comes to my kids, I have more concern over them being exposed to violence rather than sex. Of course, at 6 and 10, I'm not talking about porn but other violent or overt sexuality on TV or the movies. If my 10 year old daughter wanted to see a specific PG-13 or R rated movie I would be more likely to refuse an extremely violent movie than a movie with nudity and sex. Of course I would be reviewing the movie first before she saw it and not just allowing it, and discussing the implications of the movie as compared to real life regardless of whether the subject was sex or violence.
    Is there not a world of difference between "porn" and "nudity and sex" in a movie rated PG-13 or R?
    02-15-2014 08:33 PM
  4. warcraftWidow's Avatar
    Is there not a world of difference between "porn" and "nudity and sex" in a movie rated PG-13 or R?
    I didn't say there wasn't a difference. I was just making the point that I'm more concerned about the glorification of violence in our society than I am about glorification of sex and sexuality. If my daughters want to watch porn as teenagers I'd have no issues with it. Of course there would be earnest mommy/daughter talks about how it's fake in many cases and not to expect that from a real life relationship, but I wouldn't care other than making sure she knew how to use private browsing mode on her browser.
    02-15-2014 08:39 PM
  5. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    Listen, for years, TiPb / iMore has been viewed as "family friendly", and members have done an outstanding job reporting things that were in contrast to the "family friendly" image, including porn. Some people don't find anything wrong with porn, and that's okay. Personally, I could care less about it, however, some people who are trying to live their lives as cleanly as possible, especially those struggling with an addiction to it, may take offense. It's easy to say to those people, " get over it", "sex is everywhere" or "kids are already exposed to it", but some of those same people get upset and offended when religion and politics are the subject matter, and demand that the moderators close the thread. Having said that, I'm not disputing the right of iMore to post blogs entries and create threads pertaining to porn. I am, however, questioning whether or not it will affect the "family friendly" image associated with iMore. As for the thread title and blog entry, "How to watch porn for free on your iPhone, iPad and Apple TV", I think it was unnecessary because those who watch porn probably already know how to watch it on their devices, and those who didn't would have more than likely found out how on their own.
    Last edited by JustMe'D; 02-15-2014 at 09:21 PM.
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    02-15-2014 09:04 PM
  6. warcraftWidow's Avatar
    I don't mind if someone decides to close the thread, I (like the people opposed to this thread) just wanted to make sure my personal viewpoint was included. I think people have done a good job of keeping the discussion level-headed while also expressing their distaste for it being on imore.
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    02-15-2014 10:09 PM
  7. Jaguarr40's Avatar
    That is one thing I have noticed. Certain people want Moderators to close this thread but the bottom line like Karen and many others have expressed, Everyone is entitled to their opinion like it or not and with the exception of a few, This thread has not gotten out of hand and has stayed on topic with very little from the Mods. I would applaud many of the ones who want their viewpoint heard and did a good job bringing it out.
    02-15-2014 10:28 PM
  8. Beyond Fire's Avatar
    Honestly the thing I find weird the most is that we are not allowed to use foul language on iMore but apparently its ok to tell people where to find free porn. I'm someone who has no problems with porn, language, violence, ect. But if you are gonna advertise this site as "family oriented" then you should stick to your guns 100% and not post a thread that completely contradicts yourself. I never would have expected seeing a thread like this on this forum, and I think that's why this thread has gotten an overall negative response from the members here.
    02-15-2014 10:36 PM
  9. iEd's Avatar
    Well kids do frequent this site and now they have instruction in how to access porn on their iPhone.
    Now they probably can find it on their own and probably have but don't show them the way.

    I'm not a prude. If your 18 you can vote, die for your country and be a porn star. But some here aren't 18.

    I know most porn sites are constantly getting taken down notices for copyright infringement.

    If someone were to post a site where you could download free Mac software that would be frowned upon. This is kinda the same deal.
    You can't download it into your iPhone but you can from a computer. Some porn is copyrighted content just like software.

    So I believe if you show someone how to get porn for free. Show them how to get software for free.
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    02-16-2014 12:56 AM
  10. fibrogirl8's Avatar
    Boy am I proud to be a member here today. This is crap.
    I am a new member here. This kind of crap ( call it like it is) is uncalled for. I thought these forums were to be helpful and useful - nothing good comes from pornography. Nothing.
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    02-16-2014 03:23 AM
  11. Peligro911's Avatar
    Surprised to see this actually here but yes tons of sites have porn it's not hard to find


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    02-16-2014 03:52 AM
  12. zerog46's Avatar
    To me this is like building a bomb. It's out there but do we really want to show everyone how to build it.

    Say my son comes here looking for help with his phone. No intention of looking for porn because this is a family site and normal people don't come here looking for that. Well now that is on his mind because he came across it in the forum.

    And no he isn't 18 and there is no chance in the world he would lie about his age to get on the net, sarcasm.

    In the end for me this is just something I would rather not see on iMore.

    I'm not going to throw a hissy fit or leave the site it's just how I feel.
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    02-16-2014 12:50 PM
  13. Jaguarr40's Avatar
    To me this is like building a bomb. It out there but do we really want to show everyone how to build it.

    Say my son comes here looking for help with his phone. No intention of looking for porn because this is a family site and normal people don't come here looking for that. Well now that is on his mind because he came across it in the forum.

    And no he isn't 18 and there is no chance in the world he would lie about his age to get on the net, sarcasm.

    In the end for me this is just something I would rather not see on iMore.

    I'm not going to throw a hissy fit or leave the site it's just how I feel.
    I have to date received in just emails alone no less the 6 so far that long standing members which everyone who has posted in this thread know very well have said to me Adios my friend but that was my last post and will never be back. Although I was upset to see good friends I have met here leave because of this, I have to respect their reason and freedom of choice for leaving. My only comment was they won and we all lost by losing members. I would however honor their reasons and them essentially telling me goodbye and I asked them to stay in touch.

    I think this entire thing - This thread has touched many people in many different ways and there is no right or wrong here when you lose good members that made a difference by being here and I will miss them.
    Of course I know we have not heard from Rene since page 1 and his 2 replies, i know he is monitoring this thread and reading responses and I know he is a good man that I think would suit many people with the possibility of and open letter to the members and anyone else here that have joined iMore, That has made a difference by the help they have provided and the interaction they have every day they log in to interact. I think an "Open Letter" on the Blog and Forum to all in whatever he would like to say to set things in a manner that everyone can understand how this started and why and to admit seeing the effect it took on people good and bad.

    As the leader of iMore there is no shame and only a stronger respect more than we already have from the leader of the place this all started would go IMO a very long way to put this to rest and put out the fire or Rene with all due respect, We can keep the embers burning or like I said - Put them out and the sooner the better. I don't want to see anymore of my friends leave and I am not going to defend it anymore. My stand is that I am an adult way over the age of 18 that can make my choice, I have and it makes no difference to me on the subject right up to the point where me, Where iMore starts loosing good members. It is time to stop it and put an iffy choice of article with a 1000 different reasons and rationale to bring it to a stop. I thank you for listening Rene, My manner on how I feel about you and iMore will not change one bit no matter what you choose to do - Do the right thing, Set it to rest and this will become a thing of the past real quick. Have a great weekend to everyone single person who made their stance known.
    Last edited by Jaguarr40; 02-16-2014 at 06:09 PM.
    02-16-2014 03:45 PM
  14. zerog46's Avatar
    No grip to get here. Sites with lower standards are a dime a dozen. I felt as though we had a higher standard here at I more. Great thing about being in America at least for me we have the freedom of choice.
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    02-16-2014 04:28 PM
  15. HAWK's Avatar
    I actually have not seen anyone cracking directly on any Moderator. It is mainly the Article, The Title and the Content that people are having a hard time dealing with and it is the right to do as they personally see fit.
    Yes but mods are getting the heat to remove it and rightfully so. I was more a less just reminding everyone that you guys are doing your best to resolve the heat and get past this as you have just done in your direct message to Rene. Which was well written I might add
    02-16-2014 04:31 PM
  16. pr1nce's Avatar
    Yes but mods are getting the heat to remove it and rightfully so. I was more a less just reminding everyone that you guys are doing your best to resolve the heat and get past this as you have just done in your direct message to Rene. Which was well written I might add
    First, let me say that I have not received any requests to remove any part of this thread. Personally, the thread did not offend me or upset me. That being said I do understand why some people are upset or disappointed. If a member decides to leave, it is their right. I hope that they re-think their decision. I believe strongly that the only way to make a change is by doing it from within. iMore and the Mobile Nations communities are here for all of its members.


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    02-16-2014 05:10 PM
  17. warcraftWidow's Avatar
    First, let me say that I have not received any requests to remove any part of this thread. Personally, the thread did not offend me or upset me. That being said I do understand why some people are upset or disappointed. If a member decides to leave, it is their right. I hope that they re-think their decision. I believe strongly that the only way to make a change is by doing it from within. iMore and the Mobile Nations communities are here for all of its members.


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    I have not gotten any request for thread or post removal either. I think it's been a very civil conversation so far which reflects well on the quality members we have.
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    02-16-2014 05:49 PM
  18. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    I have not gotten any request for thread or post removal either. I think it's been a very civil conversation so far which reflects well on the quality members we have.
    Same here. Not one person has complained privately.
    02-16-2014 06:16 PM
  19. Jaguarr40's Avatar
    First, let me say that I have not received any requests to remove any part of this thread. Personally, the thread did not offend me or upset me. That being said I do understand why some people are upset or disappointed. If a member decides to leave, it is their right. I hope that they re-think their decision. I believe strongly that the only way to make a change is by doing it from within. iMore and the Mobile Nations communities are here for all of its members.


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    Very well said Pr1nce - Good point to make.
    02-16-2014 06:19 PM
  20. iEd's Avatar
    Some things are better left unsaid.
    That's kind of how I feel about the nature of this thread.

    Users of any type of device can on their own find out how to do many things and get many things on their own. Whether it's of a sensitive nature or a illegal nature.

    Discover what you will on your own.
    Some things are better left for their own discovery.

    Finding porn on the internet is as easy as finding ice in Antarctica.
    You don't need a map. It kind of deserves the response of saying "Really?"
    Honestly nobody needs this. And I don't mean that as a being offended by porn. I mean it as it's really to simple to need to be guided through.
    02-16-2014 06:19 PM
  21. I BEN I's Avatar
    This thread is a sad state of affairs.
    02-16-2014 06:40 PM
  22. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    Jesus christ, lol...you'd think Rene came on here in black face and gave us a link to watch a smut film about kids having sex with goats.

    I mean, the way some of you have responded in this thread, I can't imagine your reaction when you go into a gas station that offers porno mags next to the candy aisle...do you call the police and have a protest outside?

    Sure, some people are not as accepting of pornography as others, they feel it's something "evil" and that "nothing good can come from" it (that one made me laugh a bit), but this isn't church folks, this isn't an elementary school classroom or a daycare center playground...we're in the real world here, we're in a place where we talk about murder, drugs, sex, rock & roll, movies, video games, TV shows, food, technology...and yes, porno.

    Don't want to be exposed to such topics? Then get off the internet...because it's ALL around you. I'm curious where someone saw a "Family Friendly Community" banner floating on iMore when they signed up, because I sure as sh*t didn't. Do I expect a vulgar experience here? Not at all, and that's primarily because we have a pretty intelligent core of members here...but every once in a while a subject like this will pop up, and people will get all **** hurt over it, and for god's sake...let's refocus here guys, it's an article, not a testament to what iMore represents fully.

    Now I'm going to go back to watching Ghostbusters...dammit people...CHILL OUT!
    02-16-2014 07:39 PM
  23. warcraftWidow's Avatar
    Jesus christ, lol...you'd think Rene came on here in black face and gave us a link to watch a smut film about kids having sex with goats.

    I mean, the way some of you have responded in this thread, I can't imagine your reaction when you go into a gas station that offers porno mags next to the candy aisle...do you call the police and have a protest outside?

    Sure, some people are not as accepting of pornography as others, they feel it's something "evil" and that "nothing good can come from" it (that one made me laugh a bit), but this isn't church folks, this isn't an elementary school classroom or a daycare center playground...we're in the real world here, we're in a place where we talk about murder, drugs, sex, rock & roll, movies, video games, TV shows, food, technology...and yes, porno.

    Don't want to be exposed to such topics? Then get off the internet...because it's ALL around you. I'm curious where someone saw a "Family Friendly Community" banner floating on iMore when they signed up, because I sure as sh*t didn't. Do I expect a vulgar experience here? Not at all, and that's primarily because we have a pretty intelligent core of members here...but every once in a while a subject like this will pop up, and people will get all **** hurt over it, and for god's sake...let's refocus here guys, it's an article, not a testament to what iMore represents fully.

    Now I'm going to go back to watching Ghostbusters...dammit people...CHILL OUT!
    The original Ghostbusters? Enjoy. I might have to remember to put that one in my Netflix queue for the kids.
    02-16-2014 07:48 PM
  24. kataran's Avatar
    Looks like I missed this thread had to read it from the start so it took me a little while

    I read the article when it came out and I didn't think much of it as this doesn't bother me but after reading all the talking points I we have to say this is the best Forum on the net and I'm a member of many we can discuss how we feel and respect our fellow members opinions this is evident in the cross Likes to each others posts 👍


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    02-16-2014 08:22 PM
  25. Les74's Avatar
    Jesus christ, lol...you'd think Rene came on here in black face and gave us a link to watch a smut film about kids having sex with goats.

    I mean, the way some of you have responded in this thread, I can't imagine your reaction when you go into a gas station that offers porno mags next to the candy aisle...do you call the police and have a protest outside?

    Sure, some people are not as accepting of pornography as others, they feel it's something "evil" and that "nothing good can come from" it (that one made me laugh a bit), but this isn't church folks, this isn't an elementary school classroom or a daycare center playground...we're in the real world here, we're in a place where we talk about murder, drugs, sex, rock & roll, movies, video games, TV shows, food, technology...and yes, porno.

    Don't want to be exposed to such topics? Then get off the internet...because it's ALL around you. I'm curious where someone saw a "Family Friendly Community" banner floating on iMore when they signed up, because I sure as sh*t didn't. Do I expect a vulgar experience here? Not at all, and that's primarily because we have a pretty intelligent core of members here...but every once in a while a subject like this will pop up, and people will get all **** hurt over it, and for god's sake...let's refocus here guys, it's an article, not a testament to what iMore represents fully.

    Now I'm going to go back to watching Ghostbusters...dammit people...CHILL OUT!
    I was waiting for this response, Sean.....and I thank you for it! Couldn't have said it any better myself!!!


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    02-16-2014 08:53 PM
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