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  1. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    Please don't tell me my example is different from what's happening at Apple because in both instances, the employee is trying to dictate new terms of employment after having been hired and after accepting the employer's terms.
    Last edited by Just_Me_D; 07-21-2021 at 06:17 AM.
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    07-20-2021 06:37 PM
  2. grover5's Avatar
    Really? Okay. Let's say you put it out there that you're looking for a qualified applicant to do whatever it is you're hiring the person do. During the interview, you find what you think is the right person and hire him or her. You tell the person you expect him or her to be prompt and the working hours are 9 am to 5 pm. They agree to your terms. After a week or so, that person tells you they will only work from 1 pm to 5 pm, but expects the same salary as though he or she worked from 9 to 5. Would you comply?
    This example is silly. Employers and employees renegotiate terms all the time. You aren’t an indentured servant. You’re an employee with skills to offer in exchange for compensation.
    07-21-2021 11:13 AM
  3. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    This example is silly. Employers and employees renegotiate terms all the time. You aren’t an indentured servant. You’re an employee with skills to offer in exchange for compensation.
    The example isn't silly, and you know it. You are right, however, in saying "you're an employee with skills to offer in exchange for compensation." Yet, you failed to add that as an "employee" you are subject to the terms and conditions set by the employer and if at any point the terms and conditions no longer work for you, you are free to seek employment elsewhere.
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    07-21-2021 11:18 AM
  4. grover5's Avatar
    I do find it to be a silly example. They are exercising their right to go elsewhere by renegotiating their terms. We obviously view employment differently. I think that ends this discussion.
    07-21-2021 11:26 AM
  5. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    I do find it to be a silly example. They are exercising their right to go elsewhere by renegotiating their terms. We obviously view employment differently. I think that ends this discussion.
    Let's not forget the "employer" also has the right to not negotiate and to replace employees who opt to not be subject to its terms. You would lose your mind if Apple closed up shop and reopened abroad with in-office personnel. That is an option for them, by the way.
    Last edited by Just_Me_D; 07-21-2021 at 04:55 PM.
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    07-21-2021 03:10 PM
  6. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    You would lose your mind if Apple closed up shop and reopened abroad with in-office personnel.
    Agreed. Apple's personnel lost their mind over the hiring of Antonio Garcia Martinez causing Apple to cave when they really should have just left it as is.

    Had Martinez stayed on and all the people that signed that petition were that offended, which I am willing to bet they weren't but wanted to sign because they didn't want their peers to deem them as "sexist", then they would have exercised their "right to go elsewhere by renegotiating their terms". Which of course means they wouldn't have done anything.
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    07-21-2021 03:26 PM
  7. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    Agreed. Apple's personnel lost their mind over the hiring of Antonio Garcia Martinez causing Apple to cave when they really should have just left it as is.

    Had Martinez stayed on and all the people that signed that petition were that offended, which I am willing to bet they weren't but wanted to sign because they didn't want their peers to deem them as "sexist", then they would have exercised their "right to go elsewhere by renegotiating their terms". Which of course means they wouldn't have done anything.
    'Nuf said.
    07-21-2021 03:28 PM
  8. grover5's Avatar
    Let's not forget the "employer" also has the right to not negotiate and to replace employees who opt to not be subject to its terms. You would lose your mind if Apple closed up shop and reopened abroad with in-office personnel. That is an option for them, by the way.
    Of course the employer has that right. I never said otherwise. I don’t think any scenario involving Apple would lead me to lose my mind.
    07-21-2021 10:08 PM
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