1. iMore.com's Avatar
    We've been doing this stupid back and forth for a very long time now, and it's still ridiculous. Only now, we have lots of data to prove it.

    Full story from the iMore Blog...
    08-05-2019 03:12 PM
  2. Tartarus's Avatar
    Pressing the link gives an error. What gives?
    08-05-2019 03:28 PM
  3. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    We've been doing this stupid back and forth for a very long time now, and it's still ridiculous. Only now, we have lots of data to prove it.

    Full story from the iMore Blog...
    Ignoring the effects that violent video games could have on people, especially in this day and age where young people can’t seem to cope with life, in general, is equally ridiculous, in my opinion.
    08-05-2019 05:17 PM
  4. TgeekB's Avatar
    Ignoring the effects that violent video games could have on people, especially in this day and age where young people can’t seem to cope with life in general is equally ridiculous, in my opinion.
    I agree.
    It’s not one thing, but I think several. Assault weapons, violent video games, websites like 8chan, how we raise our children. Put several of them together and it’s a deadly combination. None can be ignored.
    08-05-2019 05:46 PM
  5. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    I agree.
    It’s not one thing, but I think several. Assault weapons, violent video games, websites like 8chan, how we raise our children. Put several of them together and it’s a deadly combination. None can be ignored.
    Well stated, sir.
    08-05-2019 06:18 PM
  6. metllicamilitia's Avatar
    It has been proven countless times that violent video games have no bearing on people’s personal violent tendencies. Now someone who is incapable of discerning between fiction and reality could have a problem. That’s another thing entirely though. Same goes with music, except aggressive music actually makes you more calm due to it working the aggression center of your brain.
    08-05-2019 06:25 PM
  7. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    It has been proven countless times that violent video games have no bearing on people’s personal violent tendencies. Now someone who is incapable of discerning between fiction and reality could have a problem. That’s another thing entirely though. Same goes with music, except aggressive music actually makes you more calm due to it working the aggression center of your brain.
    Concluded? Yes
    Proven? I doubt it

    08-05-2019 06:37 PM
  8. TgeekB's Avatar
    It has been proven countless times that violent video games have no bearing on people’s personal violent tendencies. Now someone who is incapable of discerning between fiction and reality could have a problem. That’s another thing entirely though. Same goes with music, except aggressive music actually makes you more calm due to it working the aggression center of your brain.
    Interesting because the studies I have read have shown a link between violent video games and aggressive behavior.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/...dy/1486188002/

    Here is one recent study.

    Of course, this does not mean those who play violent video games will be mass shooters. As I stated earlier, combine violent video game play with depression and reading racist websites and the chance probably increases. That, to me, is common sense.
    08-05-2019 06:49 PM
  9. metllicamilitia's Avatar
    Interesting because the studies I have read have shown a link between violent video games and aggressive behavior.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/...dy/1486188002/

    Here is one recent study.

    Of course, this does not mean those who play violent video games will be mass shooters. As I stated earlier, combine violent video game play with depression and reading racist websites and the chance probably increases. That, to me, is common sense.
    Concluded? Yes
    Proven? I doubt it

    One current news article
    Another current news article
    A third current news article
    One that actually brings your point to light as well
    08-05-2019 07:16 PM
  10. TgeekB's Avatar
    So you agree with me.
    Violent video games are not directly connected to mass shootings.
    They are connected to aggressive behavior.
    08-05-2019 07:19 PM
  11. metllicamilitia's Avatar
    So you agree with me.
    Violent video games are not directly connected to mass shootings.
    They are connected to aggressive behavior.
    No, at best they are associated with negligible aggressive behaviors, such as being a little more anti-social. Not really enough to say they truly effect behavior. Especially not when you have scrutinize decades worth of studies to see the nominal effect.
    08-05-2019 07:21 PM
  12. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    It’s more like they really want to say it does, but don’t want to deal with the backlash and lawsuits. Negligible aggression and anti-social behavior? Get a minor cut, leave it untreated and then watch it manifest into a bigger problem. Desensitization to human misery devalues human life.
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    08-06-2019 07:11 AM
  13. TgeekB's Avatar
    It’s more like they really want to say it does, but don’t want to deal with the backlash and lawsuits. Negligible aggression and anti-social behavior? Get a minor cut, leave it untreated and then watch it manifest into a bigger problem. Desensitization to human misery devalues human life.
    Common sense right there.
    Just_Me_D and Annie_M like this.
    08-06-2019 03:27 PM
  14. metllicamilitia's Avatar
    It’s more like they really want to say it does, but don’t want to deal with the backlash and lawsuits. Negligible aggression and anti-social behavior? Get a minor cut, leave it untreated and then watch it manifest into a bigger problem. Desensitization to human misery devalues human life.
    It’s more like I should be the devil incarnate. I was raised on violent video games. A DOS chess game where the pieces ripped each other apart, Doom, Mortal Kombat and others. Violence in my cartoons, movies, and other shows I watched. I’ve listened to metal my whole life too. I know countless other people raised the same way. Yet, we are not aggressive or violent people, or anti-social. Believe what you want.
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    08-06-2019 07:59 PM
  15. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    It’s more like I should be the devil incarnate. I was raised on violent video games. A DOS chess game where the pieces ripped each other apart, Doom, Mortal Kombat and others. Violence in my cartoons, movies, and other shows I watched. I’ve listened to metal my whole life too. I know countless other people raised the same way. Yet, we are not aggressive or violent people, or anti-social. Believe what you want.
    Don’t misunderstand me. In no way, shape or form am I saying that “EVERYONE” who plays violent video games turn into a raging maniac. What I am saying is that no one can truthfully say that those items do not have or have not had an influence on some evil acts perpetrated by some people over the years.
    TgeekB likes this.
    08-06-2019 08:32 PM
  16. Annie_M's Avatar
    Don’t misunderstand me. In no way, shape or form am I saying that “EVERYONE” who plays violent video games turn into a raging maniac. What I am saying is that no one can truthfully say that those items do not have or have not had an influence on some evil acts perpetrated by some people over the years.
    I agree. Many many people play these games and have no issue.. they are well adjusted. It’s the ones who are not well adjusted and play these games.
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    08-06-2019 08:51 PM
  17. metllicamilitia's Avatar
    Don’t misunderstand me. In no way, shape or form am I saying that “EVERYONE” who plays violent video games turn into a raging maniac. What I am saying is that no one can truthfully say that those items do not have or have not had an influence on some evil acts perpetrated by some people over the years.
    I agree. Many many people play these games and have no issue.. they are well adjusted. It’s the ones who are not well adjusted and play these games.
    Therein lies the point of the article and my point. It’s not the games, it’s the person.
    p3t3rPan likes this.
    08-06-2019 09:30 PM
  18. TgeekB's Avatar
    Therein lies the point of the article and my point. It’s not the games, it’s the person.
    Incorrect, it’s both.
    Why can some people smoke all their lives and not get cancer yet other people smoke for 5 years and get cancer? Nature vs. nurture. If you are predisposed genetically to cancer (not your fault) and you smoke (your decision/fault) you are more likely to get cancer.
    If you are predisposed to being violent and you play video games where you go around killing people, those video games may exacerbate your violent tendency and cause you to do something you might not have done.
    You are probably not a naturally violent person so the video games have little affect on you. It’s not one or the other, it’s the combination.
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    08-08-2019 04:29 PM
  19. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    Incorrect, it’s both.
    Why can some people smoke all their lives and not get cancer yet other people smoke for 5 years and get cancer? Nature vs. nurture. If you are predisposed genetically to cancer (not your fault) and you smoke (your decision/fault) you are more likely to get cancer.
    If you are predisposed to being violent and you play video games where you go around killing people, those video games may exacerbate your violent tendency and cause you to do something you might not have done.
    You are probably not a naturally violent person so the video games have little affect on you. It’s not one or the other, it’s the combination.
    ‘Nuf said...
    08-08-2019 05:04 PM
  20. SprSynJn's Avatar
    I fail to understand how someone could just ignore the effect anything violent would have on the mind. That to me is more boggling than this argument. Mankind has always had a thirst for blood. Seeing it makes some people want to imitate it. That’s common sense. Why are video games excluded from this?
    Just_Me_D likes this.
    08-08-2019 07:15 PM
  21. metllicamilitia's Avatar
    I fail to understand how someone could just ignore the effect anything violent would have on the mind. That to me is more boggling than this argument. Mankind has always had a thirst for blood. Seeing it makes some people want to imitate it. That’s common sense. Why are video games excluded from this?
    People aren’t ignoring it, that’s why there have been decades of studies done and the only way to see any evidence that it has any effect at all to compare every single one to see the minuscule effects violent games have on people. In other terms, the exposure to violence desensitizes people to it, not adding to how violent they are. Literally decades of studies proving this.
    p3t3rPan likes this.
    08-08-2019 07:28 PM
  22. metllicamilitia's Avatar
    Incorrect, it’s both.
    Why can some people smoke all their lives and not get cancer yet other people smoke for 5 years and get cancer? Nature vs. nurture. If you are predisposed genetically to cancer (not your fault) and you smoke (your decision/fault) you are more likely to get cancer.
    If you are predisposed to being violent and you play video games where you go around killing people, those video games may exacerbate your violent tendency and cause you to do something you might not have done.
    You are probably not a naturally violent person so the video games have little affect on you. It’s not one or the other, it’s the combination.
    ‘Nuf said...
    I’ll reiterate, it’s the person not the games. The point of the article and my point.
    p3t3rPan likes this.
    08-08-2019 07:29 PM
  23. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    I’ll reiterate, it’s the person not the games. The point of the article and my point.
    We understand your point and the point made in the article. We simply disagree with them. No harm done....
    SprSynJn likes this.
    08-08-2019 08:20 PM
  24. SprSynJn's Avatar
    People aren’t ignoring it, that’s why there have been decades of studies done and the only way to see any evidence that it has any effect at all to compare every single one to see the minuscule effects violent games have on people. In other terms, the exposure to violence desensitizes people to it, not adding to how violent they are. Literally decades of studies proving this.
    Scientists are effectively ignoring it by placing blame on other factors with these “studies”. That was my point. People put so much faith into science that common sense is thrown out the window. It’s baffling.
    Just_Me_D likes this.
    08-08-2019 08:25 PM
  25. scruffypig's Avatar
    Here is an interesting book and brings up compelling points to consider.

    “Assassination Generation: Video Games, Aggression, and the Psychology of Killing” -Dave Grossman

    https://www.amazon.com/dp/0316265934...mUvbUpU3152539

    About the Author
    Lt. Col. Dave Grossman, U.S. Army (Ret.), is an internationally recognized scholar, author, soldier, and speaker. He is one of the world's foremost experts in the field of human aggression, the roots of violence, and violent crime. He is a former West Point psychology professor and is currently the director of the Warrior Science Group. His books include On Killing, On Combat, and Stop Teaching Our Kids to Kill.
    08-08-2019 08:42 PM
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