1. SWFLFFPM's Avatar
    Considering an iMac but need some convincing and have some questions:

    I use a computer for web surfing, email and other general stuff. I do not store large video files, very little music, no video editing etc. What I do like to do is play some games, currently Doom III. The PC I have now from 2010 is slowing down and has developed so much lag in the game it is now unplayable. It was never great, but now I can't play anymore.

    I am looking at the 21.5 model and would like to know:

    -Should I get the RAM upgrade?
    -Is there really a noticeable difference with the 2.9?
    -I like the wireless keyboard idea but I use the number keypad all the time. Is there a wireless keyboard with that feature?
    -Are four USB slots enough? Currently I have a printer, mouse, keyboard, camera cable, phone (usb) cable. I'd get the wireless mouse so that is one less. I have a powered USB hub. Would that work?
    -If I partition with Windows can I just copy my hard drive from the PC, or do I need to by a separate new copy of Windows?

    Other thoughts?
    04-04-2013 09:09 PM
  2. warcraftWidow's Avatar
    I'll answer a couple

    A powered USB hub will work.

    Apple doesn't have a wireless keyboard with number pad. Other vendors may. I'd check Logitech.

    Whether you can just install Windows depends on you license, but probably not. You most likely have an OEM license which is only supposed to be on the hardware it shipped on. If you are uninstalling it from the PC then it's possible that you could call Microsoft and they would let you switch hardware. If you have the commercial version of Windows, then you are allowed to switch hardware, but you can still probably gave it on one computer.

    Regardless of how you get Windows, I don't think you can just create an image of your PC and install it on the Mac. You would need to run Apple's Bootcamp assistant program which creates the partition to install Windows on ( and all your apps) and it also allows you to burn a DVD or USB drive with the drivers needed to have Windows run on Apple hardware.
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    04-04-2013 11:37 PM
  3. warcraftWidow's Avatar
    And yes to the RAM upgrade because it isn't user-accessible to upgrade yourself at a later date.
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    04-04-2013 11:38 PM
  4. GibMcFragger's Avatar
    And yes to the RAM upgrade because it isn't user-accessible to upgrade yourself at a later date.
    It isn't? Have they changed something? I tossed an extra 4GB in my 27" right after I bought it. Mine is a 2011 model though, not the newest. They may have changed that.
    04-05-2013 12:09 AM
  5. iVazz's Avatar
    I'll answer a few questions if I can as I just bought my 27" iMac.

    In the 21.5" the RAM isn't changeable by the end user, Apple would have to do it for you. The 27" can be upgraded by the end user.

    Powered USB hubs work fine, but know the new iMacs use USB 3.0 connections.

    For Web, email, and such the iMacs are great to have/use.

    Gaming on an iMac is limited, but you can always use bootcamp to install a new copy of Windows, even up to Windows 8.

    Hope that helps a bit.


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    04-05-2013 02:08 AM
  6. Alli's Avatar
    If all you're doing is gaming, email, and web browsing, save $1000 and stick with a PC.
    04-05-2013 06:55 AM
  7. warcraftWidow's Avatar
    It isn't? Have they changed something? I tossed an extra 4GB in my 27" right after I bought it. Mine is a 2011 model though, not the newest. They may have changed that.
    The new 21" is not user serviceable. The new 27" is.
    04-05-2013 07:33 AM
  8. SWFLFFPM's Avatar
    Thanks for all the responses.

    Is there a big difference between the 2.7 and 2.9?

    My concern with Windows is getting the actual OS onto the Mac from my PC. It is an OEM license so it looks like I'll have to buy a retail Windows OS-correct?

    Alli-I'm thinking about getting an IP5 (currently have BlackBerry) and thinking about joining the Apple ecosystem which is another push towards the iMac.

    Doom III is available for the Mac so I'm good there.
    04-05-2013 07:41 AM
  9. warcraftWidow's Avatar
    My concern with Windows is getting the actual OS onto the Mac from my PC. It is an OEM license so it looks like I'll have to buy a retail Windows OS-correct?
    You can probably get another OEM license for Windows.

    Not sure what you mean by "getting the
    actual OS from my PC". If you mean that you want to take a whole disk image of the PC and use that on the Mac, I'm not sure if that will work or not.

    When you use Bootcamp, OSX creates a partition for you and then you install Windows and the set of Bootcamp drivers that you get when you are setting it up. I don't know if it would work to have Bootcamp create the partition and then use some other software to replace it with your Windows disk image. The most straight forward thing to do would be a fresh install of Windows and then install all your software.

    BTW, if you are going to run the OSX version of Doom, why do you even need Windows? Is there specific Windows only software you need to run? If its only to be able to access files that you currently have on Windows, OSX has a Migration Assistant utility which can help you get your files over to the iMac.
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    04-05-2013 10:14 AM
  10. SWFLFFPM's Avatar
    You can probably get another OEM license for Windows.

    Not sure what you mean by "getting the
    actual OS … from my PC". If you mean that you want to take a whole disk image of the PC and use that on the Mac, I'm not sure if that will work or not.

    When you use Bootcamp, OSX creates a partition for you and then you install Windows and the set of Bootcamp drivers that you get when you are setting it up. I don't know if it would work to have Bootcamp create the partition and then use some other software to replace it with your Windows disk image. The most straight forward thing to do would be a fresh install of Windows and then install all your software.

    BTW, if you are going to run the OSX version of Doom, why do you even need Windows? Is there specific Windows only software you need to run? If its only to be able to access files that you currently have on Windows, OSX has a Migration Assistant utility which can help you get your files over to the iMac.
    Thanks for all the advice. This is just the kind of thing I need.

    I don't need to image my PC to the Mac. I only mentioned that to get the Windows OS onto the Mac since there are a zillion Windows OS files scattered all over and I don't have an install CD for the Windows OS unless I go buy one. I don't think I have any Windows only programs that I MUST have on the Mac. I must be over-thinking this. I need to spend time at the Apple store.

    Any thoughts on the processor-2.7 vs 2.9?

    Thanks again.
    04-05-2013 10:34 AM
  11. warcraftWidow's Avatar
    If you don't have any Windows programs you need, then don't even bother with Bootcamp and installing Windows. Just use the migration assistant utility to get all of your personal files (photo, video, music, game saves, etc) over to the Mac.

    As for the processor, since the main thing you do that may stress the processor is Doom, you'd be better off posting in a Doom forum to find out the experience of those users.

    As a general rule, I'd say go with the 2.9 with the memory upgraded if you can afford it. Either processor will certainly be fine for basic web browsing and other general computer activities.
    04-05-2013 10:40 AM
  12. Fausty82's Avatar
    It isn't? Have they changed something? I tossed an extra 4GB in my 27" right after I bought it. Mine is a 2011 model though, not the newest. They may have changed that.
    The new iMacs have changed. The 27" model does have an access panel to allow the user to upgrade memory. The 21.5" model does not. It is available as a CTO option, or, I suppose, it can be done on a time/materials basis at Apple/certified tech. The memory slots are buried deep within the bowels of the beast... and without an access panel, it required a pretty extensive dismantling of the iMac to get to the slots.

    With regards to a full wireless keyboard including keypad, Apple doesn’t offer one. The full keyboard w/ numeric keypad is wired only. However, I have purchased a Logitech Solar wireless keyboard w numeric keyboard and could not be happier.

    Logitech.com
    Apple Keyboard with Numeric Keypad - English (USA) - Apple Store (U.S.)
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    04-05-2013 10:57 AM
  13. Fausty82's Avatar
    Thanks for all the advice. This is just the kind of thing I need.

    Any thoughts on the processor-2.7 vs 2.9?

    Thanks again.
    Since it’s not an upgrade-able thing, I’d go for the fasted processor that you can comfortably afford. It will future-proof your iMac to some extent... that being said, you’ll get as much (or more) of a bump in performance by going with a fast HD (SSD) and more RAM. But my advice is to always get as much computer as you can comfortably afford. The iMac will serve you for many years (easily outlasts a Windows PC, IMHO), so do all you can to keep it spec'ed up.
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    04-05-2013 11:00 AM
  14. EauRouge's Avatar
    TBH, I wouldn't get an iMac. OSX is the best operating system for laptops, of that, in my mind, there is no doubt. But if you need a desktop, and aren't overly artsy (ie no video editing), theres no more bang for your buck than a Windows PC. Spend half the money and get twice the specs
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    04-05-2013 02:28 PM
  15. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    You're going to spend more money than you need to on an iMac to do the things you said you typically do on your desktop...by all means, buy what you want, but as far as the function you listed in your original post, buying an iMac for that would be like buying a Ferrari to go get groceries every few days. The iMac is a great machine, my wife has a 27" 2012 model and it's very fast and up to the task for just about anything we throw at it (she does A LOT of photo and post-production video editing)...it was also very expensive, and we wouldn't have even thought about buying it if it was only going to be used for web browsing and the occasional game night.

    I agree with EauRouge and Alli 100%, if your original post reflects your use intentions for the machine, stick with a PC...unless money is no issue, but i doubt you'd be asking for opinions if that was the case, lol.
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    04-06-2013 10:08 AM
  16. eastbayrae's Avatar
    You the money you don't spend on the iMac and get a MB and keep the PC.
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    04-06-2013 11:43 PM
  17. SWFLFFPM's Avatar
    I appreciate all the comments, including the ones that suggest I stick with a PC.

    My adult kid has MBP and raves about it.

    I went to the Apple store and now I am hooked. They don't have the extra memory model in stock so I have to order it, which I will.

    Time Capsule intrigues me. I have to replace my old router and have a crappy backup drive so I am trying to figure out the downside to it.

    Can the time capsule wirelessly backup a PC? The folks at Apple said no but didn't seem to sure about it. The Apple site says you can backup a PC but didn't say if it has to be wired or not.

    Anyone know? Any downsides to the Time Capsule?
    04-07-2013 08:24 PM
  18. warcraftWidow's Avatar
    I have an AirPort Extreme (time capsule without the hard dives) and it works great.

    As for backing up a PC (I assume you mean one using Windows), you "should" be able to partition the time capsule drive, so that Time Machine can use part of it for its backups and that the other part can be used for whatever. That whatever could include backing up Windows PCs, but you'd need to have Windows software capable of backing up to a network drive. Or the whatever could just be shared storage on your network accessible by multiple PCs or Macs.
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    04-07-2013 10:10 PM
  19. SWFLFFPM's Avatar
    Update-

    I got the iMac and am very happy with it. I got the 2.9 with 16 RAM. The Time Capsule arrived yesterday.

    I don't miss any of my Windows programs. I thought I would but I don't. There is a learning curve with this. I am still getting used to the trackpad.

    Does anyone have a suggestion for a checkbook program? There is universal dislike for Quicken (which I've used forever) with the Mac version. I am testing iBank and Moneydance but neither really impress me.

    Thanks for all the help.
    04-30-2013 06:32 AM
  20. warcraftWidow's Avatar
    The only one I've used is iBank. It's not as good as Quicken, but it gets the job done. The import from Quicken data file to iBank worked well for me although I've heard others say it caused problems. But I imported about 15 years of Quicken transactions with no problems including investment accounts.
    04-30-2013 08:32 AM
  21. SWFLFFPM's Avatar
    Thanks.

    Did iBank do the conversion? They say they do but you have to send them the file if you are converting from Windows. I only have a .qdf file and that is proprietary to Quicken. No one reads .qdf files except Quicken as far as I know.
    05-01-2013 09:50 AM
  22. warcraftWidow's Avatar
    It was over a year or so ago, but I think I exported my Quicken data as a .qif file while I still had a Windows PC and Windows Quicken and then iBank could import that. They support qif, qmtf, ofx and qfx as import formats per their website.
    05-01-2013 09:57 AM
  23. SPHart's Avatar
    You the money you don't spend on the iMac and get a MB and keep the PC.
    I do think that it is a great solution !!!
    otherwise the PC would be a kind of waste.
    06-25-2013 06:10 AM

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