1. Andrew Brehm's Avatar
    Well a specific example would help, otherwise we're all just going around in circles.
    That was the specific example: a Windows laptop and no iCloud-connected device around.
    08-30-2019 07:19 AM
  2. Annie_M's Avatar
    I frequently log into iCloud on my Windows PC at work. I do have my devices with me, so it's not an issue. I have chosen not to install iCloud for Windows on this PC because it's not "my" machine. I understand your frustration, but it's just the way it is.
    08-30-2019 07:52 AM
  3. li2327's Avatar
    Once you login to the windows device for the first time and choose trust browser. You won’t have to use a verification code again. It only forces you the first time which makes sense. I logon to my iCloud on my work windows pc without my phone. No access code needed.
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    08-30-2019 08:00 AM
  4. Annie_M's Avatar
    Once you login to the windows device for the first time and choose trust browser. You won’t have to use a verification code again. It only forces you the first time which makes sense. I logon to my iCloud on my work windows pc without my phone. No access code needed.
    Thank you for pointing that out!
    08-30-2019 08:01 AM
  5. Lee_Bo's Avatar
    Once you login to the windows device for the first time and choose trust browser. You won’t have to use a verification code again. It only forces you the first time which makes sense. I logon to my iCloud on my work windows pc without my phone. No access code needed.
    True, but it you are logging in from a new laptop and don't have any of your devices with you, then you won't be able to trust the browser since you need the 2FA code to get in.

    I guess the bottom line here is, if you are logging in from an untrusted browser, and 2FA enabled and don't have any of your devices with you, then you're up that wonderful creek with no paddle.
    08-30-2019 10:35 AM
  6. Andrew Brehm's Avatar
    True, but it you are logging in from a new laptop and don't have any of your devices with you, then you won't be able to trust the browser since you need the 2FA code to get in.

    I guess the bottom line here is, if you are logging in from an untrusted browser, and 2FA enabled and don't have any of your devices with you, then you're up that wonderful creek with no paddle.
    Indeed.

    And that was exactly the situation I thought Web access was for.

    If I have any of the other devices with me OR had time to prepare the non-registered device, I would have no need to use the Web interface anyway.

    It's a perverse catch-22.

    If I am lost in the wilderness (i.e. in a foreign city, robbed of my phone etc.) I have no way to access my contacts and email from a stranger's computer.

    And if am not lost in the wilderness (i.e. I have all my devices and wasn't robbed) I can access my contacts and emails and have no need to use the Web interface.
    08-31-2019 06:15 AM
  7. Tartarus's Avatar
    Indeed.

    And that was exactly the situation I thought Web access was for.

    If I have any of the other devices with me OR had time to prepare the non-registered device, I would have no need to use the Web interface anyway.

    It's a perverse catch-22.

    If I am lost in the wilderness (i.e. in a foreign city, robbed of my phone etc.) I have no way to access my contacts and email from a stranger's computer.

    And if am not lost in the wilderness (i.e. I have all my devices and wasn't robbed) I can access my contacts and emails and have no need to use the Web interface.
    The 2FA security is there to keep strangers from editing or removing stuff in your iCloud.
    Say you make iCloud on the web accessible in a read-only version without 2FA, you eliminate the deleting and editing stuff, but still keep it possible for strangers to access your private information.

    The best thing you could do is to write down the most important phone numbers on a piece of paper and keep it on your person at all times.

    While the scenarios you think of are all stuff that can happen at anytime, I actually appreciate the way 2FA works in this case and wouldn’t want Apple to change it if it will affect protection and security in a negative way.
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    08-31-2019 06:29 AM
  8. Lee_Bo's Avatar
    If I am lost in the wilderness (i.e. in a foreign city, robbed of my phone etc.) I have no way to access my contacts and email from a stranger's computer.
    If I'm lost in the wilderness, accessing my contacts and email are going to be the last thing I want to do.
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    08-31-2019 06:32 AM
  9. Andrew Brehm's Avatar
    If I'm lost in the wilderness, accessing my contacts and email are going to be the last thing I want to do.
    You really must continue reading the entire sentence before you reply!
    08-31-2019 06:34 AM
  10. Andrew Brehm's Avatar
    The 2FA security is there to keep strangers from editing or removing stuff in your iCloud.
    Say you make iCloud on the web accessible in a read-only version without 2FA, you eliminate the deleting and editing stuff, but still keep it possible for strangers to access your private information.

    The best thing you could do is to write down the most important phone numbers on a piece of paper and keep it on your person at all times.

    While the scenarios you think of are all stuff that can happen at anytime, I actually appreciate the way 2FA works in this case and wouldn’t want Apple to change it if it will affect protection and security in a negative way.
    I can imagine dozens of situations where I can lose literally everything except what I can remember.

    As I said in a situation where I have not lost my stuff, I don't need the Web interface.

    And in a situation where I need the Web interface, I need my stuff to be able to use the Web interface.

    2FA is great for security but without the Web interface, it would be even more secure. Why keep a Web interface around if users can only access it when they don't need it? I cannot imagine a situation where I have one of my iCloud devices around but would prefer to use the Web interface instead of the apps on the device.

    I also have a suspicion that the four-to-six digit code on my phone is easier to hack than a 20-characters password of the Web interface. So if someone steals my phone, which I (and he) can use to access my data, why make it hard for me (and less fo for him, since he has my device) to access the Web interface?
    08-31-2019 06:38 AM
  11. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    I can imagine dozens of situations where I can lose literally everything except what I can remember.
    Dude, if you’re 50 and older this is a reality with or without iCloud...

    As I said in a situation where I have not lost my stuff, I don't need the Web interface.
    Understood and you already know you don’t have to use the web interface.

    And in a situation where I need the Web interface, I need my stuff to be able to use the Web interface.
    This will likely be the case for any service that offers 2FA and a web interface.

    2FA is great for security but without the Web interface, it would be even more secure. Why keep a Web interface around if users can only access it when they don't need it? I cannot imagine a situation where I have one of my iCloud devices around but would prefer to use the Web interface instead of the apps on the device.
    I hear you, but just because you can’t imagine a situation where you’d prefer the web interface while your devices are with you doesn’t mean others will feel the same way. When I’m at work, I have dozens of tabs open in my web browser. Even though my iPhone is on my desk, I don’t want to use it to access certain information because I already have the tab open in my desktop’s browser.

    I also have a suspicion that the four-to-six digit code on my phone is easier to hack than a 20-characters password of the Web interface. So if someone steals my phone, which I (and he) can use to access my data, why make it hard for me (and less fo for him, since he has my device) to access the Web interface?
    Unless you have a code of 1234 or 123456 or some crap like that then I would agree. Other than that, I disagree. You only have a certain amount of chances to input the correct passcode before being locked out of the device.
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    08-31-2019 06:51 AM
  12. Tartarus's Avatar
    2FA is great for security but without the Web interface, it would be even more secure. Why keep a Web interface around if users can only access it when they don't need it? I cannot imagine a situation where I have one of my iCloud devices around but would prefer to use the Web interface instead of the apps on the device.
    I use the web interface from time to time to scroll through my contacts and edit some stuff. It’s easier and faster to do on the web interface than on an my iPhone.
    Other people may find other useful purposes for the web interface. You’re not being forced to use it.
    Apparently Apple deemed it necessary to launch a web interface and keep it online. Don’t forget having such an interface and maintaining it takes time and costs money. So why would Apple still keep it up if what you say is true for the majority of their users?

    I also have a suspicion that the four-to-six digit code on my phone is easier to hack than a 20-characters password of the Web interface. So if someone steals my phone, which I (and he) can use to access my data, why make it hard for me (and less fo for him, since he has my device) to access the Web interface?
    You suspect wrong. If someone steals my phone they would have the hardest time to enter my device by hacking it. Even if they managed to do that, the first I’d do is to change my iCloud password so they have no way to use my phone to enter my iCloud.
    And obviously I’d wipe out my device remotely before they had the chance to do stuff. But that’s me.

    And frankly, you sound bitter. Who hurt you?
    08-31-2019 08:47 AM
  13. Andrew Brehm's Avatar
    And frankly, you sound bitter. Who hurt you?
    Apple.

    They make me jump through hoops to use iCloud from Android (Web site doesn't work, iCloud insists on 2FA).

    And since I have to use 2FA for my Android devices to work with iCloud, the Web interface is now useless to me.

    I will switch to Outlook or Gmail for everything soon enough. They are both less interested in blocking competitors from their service and life appears to be easier for the users.
    09-10-2019 06:41 AM
  14. Tartarus's Avatar
    Apple.

    They make me jump through hoops to use iCloud from Android (Web site doesn't work, iCloud insists on 2FA).

    And since I have to use 2FA for my Android devices to work with iCloud, the Web interface is now useless to me.

    I will switch to Outlook or Gmail for everything soon enough. They are both less interested in blocking competitors from their service and life appears to be easier for the users.
    You can receive 2FA on your mobile number on any device.
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    09-10-2019 09:15 AM
  15. Andrew Brehm's Avatar
    You can receive 2FA on your mobile number on any device.
    That would again be a situation where I don't have to use the Web site because I have my phone with me with address book and calendar and email and everything.
    09-24-2019 03:56 PM
  16. Lee_Bo's Avatar
    Well, sounds like you’re just not going to be happy regardless. Good luck with your future mobile electronics choices.
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    09-24-2019 06:14 PM
  17. Andrew Brehm's Avatar
    Well, sounds like you’re just not going to be happy regardless. Good luck with your future mobile electronics choices.
    I am just puzzled as to how the Web interface is meant to be used. Apparently it can only be accessed in situations in which I can access iCloud using a device instead and don't need the Web interface. And when I need the Web interface, I cannot access it.

    With gmail and Outlook I am used to using the Web interface on many devices that I never set up specifically to be used with my gmail or Outlook accounts.

    Maybe it was a bad choice to go with Apple here. But that decision was made in 2001 or so long before I had any idea that they would make it so difficult in the future.
    10-04-2019 09:17 PM
  18. Tartarus's Avatar
    I am just puzzled as to how the Web interface is meant to be used. Apparently it can only be accessed in situations in which I can access iCloud using a device instead and don't need the Web interface. And when I need the Web interface, I cannot access it.

    With gmail and Outlook I am used to using the Web interface on many devices that I never set up specifically to be used with my gmail or Outlook accounts.

    Maybe it was a bad choice to go with Apple here. But that decision was made in 2001 or so long before I had any idea that they would make it so difficult in the future.
    Like there is said many times in here: the web interface is not intended to serve you when you don’t have your phone with you.
    It’s intended as an extension to your phone.
    That you fail to grasp this is on you and not on Apple.
    10-05-2019 01:57 AM
  19. Andrew Brehm's Avatar
    Like there is said many times in here: the web interface is not intended to serve you when you don’t have your phone with you.
    It’s intended as an extension to your phone.
    That you fail to grasp this is on you and not on Apple.
    I do not "fail to grasp this", I simply disagree with the usefulness.

    As I have explained several times, I find a Web interface problematic if it merely creates extra problems but serves no purpose.

    If I have my Apple device (or other iCloud-connected device) with me, I don't need the Web interface.

    And if I don't have my device with me, I cannot use the Web interface.

    Hence the Web interface is superfluous, adds an extra risk to the system.

    That you fail to grasp this is on you and not on me.

    The Web interface is a security risk but can be useful to access iCloud in the absence of an iCloud-enabled device. But if it cannot be used as such, it is merely a security risk.

    I suppose it might be useful if my iCloud-connected device is partly broken in such a way that the calendar and address book and/or email doesn't sync any more but it is still accepted as device to unlock the Web interface. But I have NEVER been in that situation. My phone either works or doesn't. The address book was never broken alone.
    10-05-2019 04:56 AM
  20. Tartarus's Avatar
    I do not "fail to grasp this", I simply disagree with the usefulness.

    As I have explained several times, I find a Web interface problematic if it merely creates extra problems but serves no purpose.

    If I have my Apple device (or other iCloud-connected device) with me, I don't need the Web interface.

    And if I don't have my device with me, I cannot use the Web interface.

    Hence the Web interface is superfluous, adds an extra risk to the system.

    That you fail to grasp this is on you and not on me.

    The Web interface is a security risk but can be useful to access iCloud in the absence of an iCloud-enabled device. But if it cannot be used as such, it is merely a security risk.

    I suppose it might be useful if my iCloud-connected device is partly broken in such a way that the calendar and address book and/or email doesn't sync any more but it is still accepted as device to unlock the Web interface. But I have NEVER been in that situation. My phone either works or doesn't. The address book was never broken alone.
    Yeah, like I said. That’s a you problem. You don’t see the use of it, the way it is now? Then simply don’t use it. You are in no way forced to use it.

    Everything else is already said. Good luck.
    10-05-2019 08:45 AM
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