1. sting7k's Avatar
    Well I'm officially over Google and any and all of their products.

    This weekend was the last straw, 4th Gmail issue in the past year. I got a notice my account had a likely unauthorized access and a list of IP addresses that looked like my iPhone, my personal laptop, work computer, and then something else.

    Then three times over the past year I started to get really random emails that were clearly not for me. I found out in each case that Google let three separate people create apps accounts with the same user name as mine but without a "." in the name. They then started trying to use the gmail that came with those apps accounts but the emails got sent to me. Each time the account remained under my control but it was really annoying and one guy even wanted me to give up my account so he could have it.

    I've been using AOL and Hotmail for well over a decade and had ZERO issues.

    So forget them, their amateur email service, and their half assed products that are in infinite beta status.
    07-05-2011 09:11 AM
  2. anon(153966)'s Avatar
    I do feel you a little on this one. I've had about four Google Apps (Business account) with Google, and well, let's just say, I've had enough of paying for them...

    But, to be honest, I'm not sure Hotmail or Yahoo are any better. I have both; and I've never been able to setup either on my iPhone and iPad with full success. I guess for email, GMail currently is the lesser of the two evils.
    07-05-2011 09:35 AM
  3. iV1SHAL's Avatar
    But, to be honest, I'm not sure Hotmail or Yahoo are any better. I have both; and I've never been able to setup either on my iPhone and iPad with full success. I guess for email, GMail currently is the lesser of the two evils.
    Using gmail to sync is probably the best out if the three. No problems yet touch wood!
    07-05-2011 10:18 AM
  4. anon(153966)'s Avatar
    For the last 30 minutes or so, I've been looking for alternatives. And, I hate to say it, but, Google seem to have it down pat...

    Using gmail to sync is probably the best out if the three. No problems yet touch wood!
    07-05-2011 10:22 AM
  5. iV1SHAL's Avatar
    For the last 30 minutes or so, I've been looking for alternatives. And, I hate to say it, but, Google seem to have it down pat...
    That's the reason I haven't changed yet haha.

    Wonder if apple will release their own mail server to go with all that icloud jazz lol
    07-05-2011 10:30 AM
  6. zero credibility's Avatar
    i'm thinking of going all apple if the new icloud mail is any good. I'm pretty sure I heard of labels and mail rules, this is all I need to be honest.
    07-05-2011 12:25 PM
  7. anon4705295's Avatar
    I've been using AOL and Hotmail for well over a decade and had ZERO issues.
    I have had the exact opposite experience... I have had zero gmail issues, whereas my AOL and Hotmail emails have been nothing but buggy, spammed wastes of effort. Don't even get me started on Yahoo... I wish there were another alternative (iCloud, pleasseeeeeeee be this alternative), but as of right now, gmail is the only one that's ever worked wonderfully for me
    07-05-2011 12:26 PM
  8. itsalexaye's Avatar
    I am also leaving gmail. Didnt have any problems til last thursday when my gmail somehow got hacked and someone was sending porn links to all kinds of hotmail addresses, but they mispelled the @hotmail.com (they spelled it @hotmai.com) so I was getting undeliverable emails which is how I noticed. So I am moving everything to my iCloud account and my @me.com email address.
    07-05-2011 12:29 PM
  9. sting7k's Avatar
    I do feel you a little on this one. I've had about four Google Apps (Business account) with Google, and well, let's just say, I've had enough of paying for them...

    But, to be honest, I'm not sure Hotmail or Yahoo are any better. I have both; and I've never been able to setup either on my iPhone and iPad with full success. I guess for email, GMail currently is the lesser of the two evils.
    Well they have a better track record for me, no issues in over a decade vs. 4 for gmail in one year. It only took seconds to setup hotmail via exchange on my iPhone, seems fine. My AOL account doesn't push but I don't need that to push, it's for internet junk only at this point.

    I actually am kind of surprised by hotmail/live now. I haven't used it in so long the interface now is much nicer. The account is also super old, my AOL email address was actually the Windows LiveID for the account and emails from Microsoft got sent to my gmail account. Well no more. The new hotmail/live looks pretty sweet, although I don't know how new it is at this point.

    I'll give iCloud a fair shake though when it is fully alive.
    Last edited by sting7k; 07-05-2011 at 12:46 PM.
    07-05-2011 12:41 PM
  10. anon(153966)'s Avatar
    Interesting. I might have to try Hotmail on my iPhone for a few days, and see how well\bad it does...
    07-05-2011 12:57 PM
  11. sting7k's Avatar
    I sent a test email from work this morning to each address and got each more or less instantly at the same time on my iPhone.

    This will be a process of switching to use hotmail again, I changed the domain though to @live.com to get better name selection. Most hotmail names are long gone.

    As the week goes on and I get more stuff switched I we shall see how well it performs.
    07-05-2011 01:31 PM
  12. BladeMacStud's Avatar
    I am also leaving gmail. Didnt have any problems til last thursday when my gmail somehow got hacked and someone was sending porn links to all kinds of hotmail addresses, but they mispelled the @hotmail.com (they spelled it @hotmai.com) so I was getting undeliverable emails which is how I noticed. So I am moving everything to my iCloud account and my @me.com email address.
    If your account got hacked it's because you use a weak a$$ password. I know you iphone users can't handle anything too complicated but you can use letters, numbers and symbols in your email password. You shouldn't use simple passwords like Hipster25 and JobsLove21.

    Also there's Google Authentication but it might be a bit complex for iphone users to handle.
    Last edited by BladeMacStud; 07-05-2011 at 01:40 PM.
    07-05-2011 01:37 PM
  13. Sketso's Avatar
    If your account got hacked it's because you use a weak a$$ password. I know you iphone users can't handle anything too complicated but you can use letters, numbers and symbols in your email password. You shouldn't use simple passwords like Hipster25 and JobsLove21.

    Also there's Google Authentication but it might be a bit complex for iphone users to handle.
    Oooo... "MacStud", put down your Big Mac and step away from your special sauce coated keyboard, troll!
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    07-05-2011 01:47 PM
  14. robotphood's Avatar
    He's right though, if your account got hacked that's a problem on your end, not google's fault. As a long time user of aol, msn, and yahoo I'm glad I switched to google services (at least for my main account). It has been much more reliable for the past few years. I've even used google voice as my main line and for SMS for the past year. I'd rather not be so reliant on one company for everything but I haven't found any better free alternatives.
    07-05-2011 02:04 PM
  15. Alli's Avatar
    I'm totally invested in Google. I use it for my email domain hosting (Google Apps), calendars, contacts - everything that's important to me.

    The only negative is that I somehow managed to get at least 6 different gmail accounts, and would like to merge them - particularly the Google Voice aspects.

    Apple will have to make iCloud more compelling than backing up my iPhone to get me to switch.
    07-05-2011 02:11 PM
  16. BladeMacStud's Avatar
    Oooo... "MacStud", put down your Big Mac and step away from your special sauce coated keyboard, troll!
    Lulz. It seems they'll leave up this comment but not my reply.

    For the record, I didn't have a big mac for lunch. But nice try.
    07-05-2011 02:30 PM
  17. Alli's Avatar
    Lulz. It seems they'll leave up this comment but not my reply.

    For the record, I didn't have a big mac for lunch. But nice try.
    We'll leave up your reply as long as you don't call names. There's never any call for that.

    For the record, I tend to agree that the issue is probably operator error, but there was no reason for you to say "iPhone users" - makes you sound like a troll and outsider.
    gdasilva likes this.
    07-05-2011 03:17 PM
  18. anon(153966)'s Avatar
    Here, here, Alli.

    I've been trying for years to get 'force' my users here to use decent passwords with upper\lower case characters, and numbers, and even special characters. But no, they are simply too lazy. New group policy is about to be applied, and they are going to be MAD!

    Anyway, sorry for that side step. Back to our regular scheduled programming...
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    07-05-2011 03:24 PM
  19. applefanboi's Avatar
    I don't think I could leave Google, even if I ultimately wanted to. I've been using Gmail since right after it's conception... I actually just recommended it to to this new acquaintance who has had issues with losing email accounts linked to previous ISPs and told him to go with Gmail and that way it will exist even if you switch ISPs again.

    There would have to be something that was as functional, easy, and effective for me to be able to leave.
    07-05-2011 03:44 PM
  20. Caballera's Avatar

    Apple will have to make iCloud more compelling than backing up my iPhone to get me to switch.
    Just out of curiosity, what kind of features or what could make the iCloud email service more compelling to make you switch from .gmail to .me?
    07-05-2011 04:19 PM
  21. sting7k's Avatar
    If your account got hacked it's because you use a weak a$$ password. I know you iphone users can't handle anything too complicated but you can use letters, numbers and symbols in your email password. You shouldn't use simple passwords like Hipster25 and JobsLove21.

    Also there's Google Authentication but it might be a bit complex for iphone users to handle.
    My account is authenticated and my passwords always contain upper case, lower case, numbers, and characters. I very much doubt someone cracked the password.

    How do I know they didn't let someone make an apps account with the same name again but this time they did get into my account?

    Why is gmail the only servcie where a period in the name doesn't matter?

    iPhoneuser@gmail.com = iPhone.user@gmail.com

    But for apps accounts it supposedly does matter, according to Google themselves. So if you make a Google Apps account, that comes with Gmail, and make it the same as someone with only Gmail but put in a period the person with the Gmail only account starts getting emails sent to them intended for the other party. This happened to me on 3 separate occasions and I have a feeling it was about to happen again.

    Now, insert a period into my work email (actually remove it for work), hotmail, AOL, etc and it gets returned; undeliverable. I can put a period inbetween every letter of my gmail address and it still gets to me or remove the one I thought I purposely put there and it still gets to me. That just boggles my mind.
    Last edited by sting7k; 07-05-2011 at 07:50 PM.
    07-05-2011 07:34 PM
  22. vanishingpoint's Avatar
    Here is one to try: http.zoho.com they have many of Google's features email, docs, and much more all for free for the individual users. Also, I cloud will have email as well. I am a MobileMe user and All of my features (email,calendar,etc) except hosting and iDisk online file storage will be under iCloud. Can't really figure out the storage one though, because iCloud will store files including revisions so it seems like document storage is a given under iCloud..
    07-05-2011 07:44 PM
  23. anon(153966)'s Avatar
    I see where you're coming from. But, I'm beginning to wonder, if when an email account is created if Google uses a wildcard of sorts.
    For example 123456@gmail.com would also probably give you 123.456@gmail.com or any variation in between 1 and 6.

    Maybe that's another reason why Google will not allow users to recover deleted accounts.

    Maybe an option would be to create an account, and make sure you have the email & Google Account for that email address. I create a new GMail email address last night, and then made sure that I also had a Google Account for it, and profile, too.

    I've done a lot of research in the last 24 hours on email in general, to work with iOS devices and BlackBerry. I hate to say it, but Google is seriously leading the path...

    My account is authenticated and my passwords always contain upper case, lower case, numbers, and characters. I very much doubt someone cracked the password.

    How do I know they didn't let someone make an apps account with the same name again but this time they did get into my account?

    Why is gmail the only servcie where a period in the name doesn't matter?

    iPhoneuser@gmail.com = iPhone.user@gmail.com

    But for apps accounts it supposedly does matter, according to Google themselves. So if you make a Google Apps account, that comes with Gmail, and make it the same as someone with only Gmail but put in a period the person with the Gmail only account starts getting emails sent to them intended for the other party. This happened to me on 3 separate occasions and I have a feeling it was about to happen again.

    Now, insert a period into my work email (actually remove it for work), hotmail, AOL, etc and it gets returned; undeliverable. I can put a period inbetween every letter of my gmail address and it still gets to me or remove the one I thought I purposely put there and it still gets to me. That just boggles my mind.
    07-06-2011 08:45 AM
  24. sting7k's Avatar
    I see where you're coming from. But, I'm beginning to wonder, if when an email account is created if Google uses a wildcard of sorts.
    For example 123456@gmail.com would also probably give you 123.456@gmail.com or any variation in between 1 and 6.

    Maybe that's another reason why Google will not allow users to recover deleted accounts.

    Maybe an option would be to create an account, and make sure you have the email & Google Account for that email address. I create a new GMail email address last night, and then made sure that I also had a Google Account for it, and profile, too.

    I've done a lot of research in the last 24 hours on email in general, to work with iOS devices and BlackBerry. I hate to say it, but Google is seriously leading the path...
    I have the Google Account, I've used reader and some other things in the past. The problem is Google Apps accounts, according to the support documents that is completely separate. They come with gmail and periods matter.

    I don't see what gmail offers that hotmail doesn't yet. So far spam is going into the spam folder just like gmail does. It's pushing just fine as well.
    Last edited by sting7k; 07-06-2011 at 09:01 AM.
    07-06-2011 08:58 AM
  25. anon(153966)'s Avatar
    I don't like that if I have a Google Apps account [I currently own three], I can't have ALL the features\services that is offered to a normal GMail user. I've never understood this from Google. Especially considering I'm an actual paying customer...

    Weird...
    07-06-2011 09:08 AM
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