1. Not Quite Right's Avatar
    It's not that I don't trust Apple or Google, it's that I don't trust anybody ...
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    12-31-2018 09:06 PM
  2. ksassy's Avatar
    I tend to trust Apple more but Google I have no love for their weasel like ways.
    12-31-2018 10:53 PM
  3. taz323's Avatar
    Would have to say Apple.
    12-31-2018 11:41 PM
  4. MasterDarque's Avatar
    Neither, but if it’s the lesser of two evils, then Apple.
    01-01-2019 05:48 AM
  5. TgeekB's Avatar
    I think it proves how marketing influences people’s perception of a company.
    Let’s face it, how can we trust any large corporation who’s purpose is to take as much of our money as they can? I think people lean towards Apple being more trustworthy because of their many years of commercials on TV making us think it’s cool to use their products. Also, having physical locations where we can go meet their “geniuses” helps. Google, on the other hand, is much less visual so they must be “evil”. We’re not sure who they are.
    I’m not sure if my hypothesis is true or not but does anyone have any thoughts?
    01-01-2019 09:20 AM
  6. anon(10092459)'s Avatar
    Well, I'm cynical and have an inherent distrust. As @TgeekB mentioned, a corporation wants money. I don't trust any of them because... people.

    Cynical people are skeptical and transparency is important. I am more comfortable with Google's level of transparency than I am Apple's. Apple's approach to transparency actually makes someone like me have more questions about what's going on.
    01-01-2019 10:15 AM
  7. atlas9171's Avatar
    You would be a fool to trust either one. They are both susceptible to hacking and the users of either are usually a weak point as far as security.

    People should be somewhat paranoid when using either, and should learn at least some basic ins and outs about information security to be somewhat protected.
    01-01-2019 10:27 AM
  8. bakron1's Avatar
    I have come to the decision that once you have logged on to the grid, you have sacrificed some of your privacy and no matter how we come to hate google, Apple, Microsoft and the other tech companies who mine data, it’s the new digital age and it’s not going to get any better.

    Though we complain about it, it’s just reality in the current age, I am afraid. Just my two cents worth.
    01-01-2019 10:51 AM
  9. Ledsteplin's Avatar
    I think it proves how marketing influences people’s perception of a company.
    Let’s face it, how can we trust any large corporation who’s purpose is to take as much of our money as they can? I think people lean towards Apple being more trustworthy because of their many years of commercials on TV making us think it’s cool to use their products. Also, having physical locations where we can go meet their “geniuses” helps. Google, on the other hand, is much less visual so they must be “evil”. We’re not sure who they are.
    I’m not sure if my hypothesis is true or not but does anyone have any thoughts?
    Exactly. Apple has campaigned hard to lead us to believe they "take our security seriously". I'm sure they do. But so does everyone else. It's like with 3rd party keyboards. Many won't use them because of the warning notice one has to tap on. Yet they'll use Apple's default keyboard as if it's any safer. I trust SwiftKey just as much as I do Apple with the keyboards.
    We do perceive Apple as being more secure, because they have told us they are many times. As far as collecting data, they all do it. And I don't care that they do, as I've never experienced anything negative as a result. It's part of the world of tech. I trust Google just as much as I do Apple. I just don't worry about the data collection stuff. If it makes them money so they can continue to offer us great products and services, then so be it.
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    01-01-2019 11:07 AM
  10. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    I have come to the decision that once you have logged on to the grid, you have sacrificed some of your privacy and no matter how we come to hate google, Apple, Microsoft and the other tech companies who mine data, it’s the new digital age and it’s not going to get any better.

    Though we complain about it, it’s just reality in the current age, I am afraid. Just my two cents worth.
    Kids and young adults these days tend to associate privacy with keeping things from their parents when in fact, they're just being "sneaky". ..(laughing)...They hang out on social media in the manner we used to hang out at actual locations. In situation in which we would rush to assist an injured person, they'd hold up a smartphone and film the person suffering and then post in online for the world to see not even considering that person's feelings or the feelings of his or her family.

    With that in mind, is it really surprising that entities like Google, Facebook, etcetera mine our data with the same disregard?
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    01-01-2019 11:07 AM
  11. bakron1's Avatar
    Kids and young adults these days tend to associate privacy with keeping things from their parents when in fact, they're just being "sneaky". ..(laughing)...They hang out on social media in the manner we used to hang out at actual locations. In situation in which we would rush to assist an injured person, they'd hold up a smartphone and film the person suffering and then post in online for the world to see not even considering that person's feelings or the feelings of his or her family.

    With that in mind, is it really surprising that entities like Google, Facebook, etcetera mine our data with the same disregard?
    Well put and it’s not going to change anytime soon and in fact it might only get worse.
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    01-01-2019 11:16 AM
  12. TgeekB's Avatar
    Well put and it’s not going to change anytime soon and in fact it might only get worse.
    I agree. It’s the world we live in. It’s up to us as individuals to decide how we protect ourselves while also enjoying the advantages this technology gives us.
    bakron1 likes this.
    01-01-2019 11:19 AM
  13. atlas9171's Avatar
    Kids and young adults these days tend to associate privacy with keeping things from their parents when in fact, they're just being "sneaky". ..(laughing)...They hang out on social media in the manner we used to hang out at actual locations. In situation in which we would rush to assist an injured person, they'd hold up a smartphone and film the person suffering and then post in online for the world to see not even considering that person's feelings or the feelings of his or her family.

    With that in mind, is it really surprising that entities like Google, Facebook, etcetera mine our data with the same disregard?
    But the reality is that Google, Facebook, or any other tech company doesn't have the same disregard. You agree to it all as soon as you agree with the terms and conditions. Doesn't matter if it's Apple or Google or any social media company. And the fact is they have an interest in protecting your data because if they don't they could lose a huge amount of money.
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    01-01-2019 11:29 AM
  14. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    But the reality is that Google, Facebook, or any other tech company doesn't have the same disregard. You agree to it all as soon as you agree with the terms and conditions. Doesn't matter if it's Apple or Google or any social media company. And the fact is they have an interest in protecting your data because if they don't they could lose a huge amount of money.
    Technically, you’re right, but it’s one thing to have access to a service and then decide to give access to your data as opposed to not being able to use the service at all unless access to your data is given.
    01-01-2019 02:36 PM
  15. atlas9171's Avatar
    Technically, you’re right, but it’s one thing to have access to a service and then decide to give access to your data as opposed to not being able to use the service at all unless access to your data is given.
    True, but we are not entitled to use any of the services. The service belongs to the company. We have to decide whether we find the terms acceptable. Pretty safe bet very few even read them anyway, which is the way the like it. It's much easier to make those decisions based on what permissions the apps want, Google, Apple, etc., not so much.
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    01-01-2019 04:12 PM
  16. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    True, but we are not entitled to use any of the services.
    No doubt about it.
    The service belongs to the company. We have to decide whether we find the terms acceptable.
    Right again.
    Pretty safe bet very few even read them anyway, which is the way the like it. It's much easier to make those decisions based on what permissions the apps want, Google, Apple, etc., not so much.
    Again, I’m in agreement. Still, the information collected should be limited to no more than what is sought when I visit a government building. Some things should be considered off-limits and I shouldn’t have to opt out of providing certain data.
    01-01-2019 05:15 PM
  17. TgeekB's Avatar
    No doubt about it. Right again.
    Again, I’m in agreement. Still, the information collected should be limited to no more than what is sought when I visit a government building. Some things should be considered off-limits and I shouldn’t have to opt out of providing certain data.
    Can you give an example?
    For instance, in order to use a Google assistant to its fullest potential it has to have access to your email so it can find flight information, hotel reservations, etc. and update you on changes, weather, whatever. Is this what you’re speaking about?
    01-01-2019 05:38 PM
  18. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    Can you give an example?
    For instance, in order to use a Google assistant to its fullest potential it has to have access to your email so it can find flight information, hotel reservations, etc. and update you on changes, weather, whatever. Is this what you’re speaking about?
    Go to the Google web page, scroll down to select “Privacy”. After that, select “Why Google Collects Data” and then scroll down to select “Go To Ad Settings”. You will see the screen depicted in the screenshot that’s already enabled.

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    01-01-2019 06:07 PM
  19. TgeekB's Avatar
    Go to the Google web page, scroll down to select “Privacy”. After that, select “Why Google Collects Data” and then scroll down to select “Go To Ad Settings”. You will see the screen depicted in the screenshot that’s already enabled.

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    Right, but you can turn it off. Google is very transparent about what they do and their settings, though I guarantee most people bother looking at them.
    I’m in no way defending Google. Like I’ve said previously, they all want our money and will find some way to get their hands in our pockets. While I love my Apple products, it amazes me how people here will defend the prices. To me it’s 6 of 1, half dozen the other. Use modern technology or go n the internet and your data/privacy is at risk. It’s how you use those products and services.
    But I admit, this is just a hobby to me. I don’t have the knowledge to talk about this too deeply.
    01-01-2019 06:22 PM
  20. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    Right, but you can turn it off. Google is very transparent about what they do and their settings, though I guarantee most people bother looking at them.
    I’m in no way defending Google. Like I’ve said previously, they all want our money and will find some way to get their hands in our pockets. While I love my Apple products, it amazes me how people here will defend the prices. To me it’s 6 of 1, half dozen the other. Use modern technology or go n the internet and your data/privacy is at risk. It’s how you use those products and services.
    But I admit, this is just a hobby to me. I don’t have the knowledge to talk about this too deeply.
    No harm done, and I don’t view you as defending Google. You’re stating facts and I’m appreciative of you taking the time to comment.
    01-01-2019 06:37 PM
  21. TgeekB's Avatar
    No harm done, and I don’t view you as defending Google. You’re stating facts and I’m appreciative of you taking the time to comment.
    Hey, I appreciate the threads you start. Interesting topics and I always learn something.
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    01-01-2019 06:39 PM
  22. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    Hey, I appreciate the threads you start. Interesting topics and I always learn something.
    Thank you!
    01-01-2019 06:48 PM
  23. Mr Segundus's Avatar
    Both are terrible at protecting our privacy. Privacy is an illusion in the digital world.

    With that being said, Google is more transparent about their data practices than Apple is. But that's akin to saying cow pies smell better than pig ****. Apple remains quiet on everything and they think they know what's best. Only I know what's best for my personal data. I don't need a company telling me what I want.
    01-02-2019 07:15 PM
  24. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    Both are terrible at protecting our privacy.
    Do you have any good examples for each to further your point?
    01-02-2019 07:52 PM
  25. Mr Segundus's Avatar
    Do you have any good examples for each to further your point?
    Anyone who follows tech knows what I'm talking about.

    I found these on Google in two seconds:
    https://arstechnica.com/information-...racking-firms/

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/...ear/521786002/

    It's pretty clear Apple allows apps to track your location. They just don't tell you about it.
    01-02-2019 09:30 PM
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