1. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    Ya know, we often hear how Google has gotten something right whereas Apple hadn’t. Maps & turn-by-turn navigation, for example. Having said that, do you think there’s anything that Apple has gotten right and Google hasn’t? If so, what?
    08-15-2018 07:11 PM
  2. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    Great hardware.
    08-15-2018 07:43 PM
  3. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    Great hardware.
    AMEN to that, sir...
    08-15-2018 08:01 PM
  4. bakron1's Avatar
    iCloud Backup, great hardware, best warranty in the business. Least I not forget the Apple store and Genius Bar.
    ksassy, TgeekB, mumfoau and 7 others like this.
    08-15-2018 09:35 PM
  5. Annie_8plus's Avatar
    All of the above plus support, and updates.
    Lee_Bo, joemd60, Tartarus and 2 others like this.
    08-15-2018 09:39 PM
  6. Ken Magel's Avatar
    Updates to all devices that ae less than fivew or six years old with every release.
    Lee_Bo and Just_Me_D like this.
    08-20-2018 10:43 AM
  7. Tartarus's Avatar
    iCloud, handoff, backups, hardware, support of older devices.
    Lee_Bo, Just_Me_D and joemd60 like this.
    08-20-2018 10:52 AM
  8. Lee_Bo's Avatar
    A device that works. Period!
    08-20-2018 11:59 AM
  9. Quis89's Avatar
    I'm interested in the iCloud comments. Are we strictly talking about the Backup to iCloud. Because iCloud as a storage solution is pretty trash.

    To answer the question, I would say hardware, handoff, service integration and iMessage.
    Just_Me_D likes this.
    08-20-2018 09:33 PM
  10. xtremeled's Avatar
    A device that works. Period!
    It's hard to believe a blanket statement such as yours when you consider how many android devices are in circulation. Clearly they work or people wouldn't buy them and people buy a lot of them
    Just_Me_D and nikkisharif like this.
    08-21-2018 12:28 AM
  11. Lee_Bo's Avatar
    It's hard to believe a blanket statement such as yours when you consider how many android devices are in circulation. Clearly they work or people wouldn't buy them and people buy a lot of them
    Yes, I was one of them. All Google/Nexus/Pixel devices. All rooted and running custom roms. Too much tinkering, tweaking and reboots just to keep them running. Even on stock roms.

    With iOS the reboots have only been due to OS updates. When I need the device, it's ready to use.
    08-21-2018 05:26 AM
  12. crucial bbq's Avatar
    This question is specifically asking about Apple and Google, not iPhone vs. Android handset, er Pixel/Pixel 2. I know, this website should change its name from iMore to iOS Only Fan Club. Snark aside, don't forget that Apple is a software company first and foremost.

    We are talking about two different companies with two different business models. Google exists for one thing and one thing only: to eventually create the ability to accurately predict the likelihood of *you* buying a product or not. They are in the business of curated ads and Google's ultimate goal is eventually predict with 100% accuracy if you are going to buy those shoes or not. Everything from AI to ML to AR to email is free. Well, Google Googles is free but Google Glasses were not. Think about that: Google is one of the biggest companies in the World and yet they give away practically all of their products for free.

    Apple exists to enhance the human experience through a carefully curated selection of apps and software and to lock you into that ecosystem. The future of Apple is not in iPhone or Mac sales but in subscription services, iTV, iTunes, and so on.

    With that, Apple got Final Cut Pro right. Er, well at one point in time they did. They got Logic right. What was that piece of software they had before Garage Band? Soundwave? Whatever it was called it was certainly way better than Garage Band. Pages is still better than Docs even after Apple crippled Pages by removing some of its best features to appease iOS users (who more than likely use a Windows PC if they use a desktop/laptop at all).

    Then there is Terminal. Too bad you now need to install Xcode and Xcode CML Tools to get the same functionality out of Terminal that we once enjoyed. Granted, this is from Unix and not Apple, but still...

    Keeping macOS and iOS separate.

    Apple Pay. Not sure if Apple Pay is better than G Pay or Samsung Pay -or whatever it is called- but Apple certainly almost single-handedly forced merchants to adopt the technology.

    Likely others, but this is long enough.
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    08-27-2018 10:53 AM
  13. Ken Magel's Avatar
    Easy updating of all devices, even those that are four years old. Secondly, user privacy.
    08-27-2018 11:02 AM
  14. kataran's Avatar
    Simple

    Software and Hardware development in unison
    EarleD likes this.
    08-27-2018 11:14 AM
  15. qbnkelt's Avatar
    I like the fact that my iPhones are still running perfectly well in the hands of the family members who got them after I upgraded.

    Conversely, my Android devices became nothing but sources of frustration after the first major OS upgrade. After my Note 4 became a hot mess one year after I got it, I waited because I was DONE. THEN I got an SGS 7 Plus for testing new development and I just couldn’t get back into it. Hated it.

    So, from where I stand, Apple got the longevity of the hardware/software right. Also the same apps always work better on my iPhones than they ever did on my Androids.

    My impression based on my experiences. YMMV.
    Evilguppy likes this.
    09-03-2018 06:46 AM
  16. mumfoau's Avatar
    Updates for the win!
    09-03-2018 06:54 AM
  17. TgeekB's Avatar
    Support and physical stores where people can experience using their devices, take a class or go to the Genius Bar with an issue. It’s really the overall experience.
    09-03-2018 07:43 AM
  18. vimagreg's Avatar
    Actually I see, ultimately, a lot of things Google offer that Apple don't. Examples: a usable car platform (here in Brazil CarPlay is simply worthless); a much better Assistant (to compare Google Assistant with Siri is simply a joke), among others less important things to me.

    Nonetheless...

    I still keep using iPhone and Apple products. Why? Because I simply hate the idea to be constantly spied on by Google. Simple like that. That's the Google way of doing business. And I don't want to be part of it. But, for a day-to-day use, in my case, is clear Google has more to offer. I just don't want to pay the price it is asking for.
    scgf, TgeekB and DMP89145 like this.
    09-03-2018 10:13 AM
  19. Wotchered's Avatar
    A long lasting,constantly updating hardware/software set, tremendous ease of use, a physical shop ten minutes away. My son has had three phones on the other OS since I got my 4s and it’s not because he’s a gadget freak, they just get unusable after a while.
    Just_Me_D likes this.
    09-03-2018 10:35 AM
  20. usedberry's Avatar
    Having my iPhone, iPad and mac working together so well. Love the continuity. No other company provides that experience.
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    09-04-2018 12:55 PM
  21. scgf's Avatar
    I still keep using iPhone and Apple products. Why? Because I simply hate the idea to be constantly spied on by Google. Simple like that.
    Well as a long-time Android user I hate the data gathering shenanigans of Google. My concern has deepened so much that I have stopped using as many Google services as possible and intend buying the iPhone Xs as soon as it is available to pre-order.
    Just_Me_D likes this.
    09-07-2018 07:27 AM
  22. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    Well as a long-time Android user I hate the data gathering shenanigans of Google. My concern has deepened so much that I have stopped using as many Google services as possible and intend buying the iPhone Xs as soon as it is available to pre-order.
    All OEMs collect data. You’re free to forego features to keep your data private, though. At least as much as possible...

    For example, you’re going to have trouble using Digital Assistants without giving them access to almost everything on your phone - all of them. None of them can work without sending data to a web service.

    I also think people have began to lump data collection for purposes of improving services together with data collection for the purpose of advertising.

    Even when I was on Android, I barely used Google Services, and had most of their apps disabled. This is one of the biggest selling points for OEM devices. They have really good stock apps and don’t keep you beholden to Google’s, like a Pixel phone does (as using third parties introduces additional risk - something iOS users have been finding out lately with AirMail 3 and the Virus scanning app, etc.).

    The Google Account exists primarily for Play Store Access and Play Music Locker.

    If you want to maintain a YouTube Channel, you need a Google Account.

    If you’re on Facebook or Instagram, those are getting a lot more personal information about you (via directly or via proxy from your connections) regardless of what phone you use. Switching won’t save you. Quitting them is the best option (Social Media Free 3 years, yay!).

    ———

    Apple is better at security updates than Android OEMs. Certainly faster. Google is as good as Apple for Pixels. Smaller Android OEMs are better than the bigger ones - particularly those that do not sell through carriers.

    Feature updates for Apple are pretty thin, and they don’t really seem to do much to expand device functionality; so I don’t really value iOS updates that highly anymore. So I co sister a lot of hardware capabilities to be wasted in the devices as a result. iOS updates tend to slow things down, which is why they’ve had to dedicate an entire release to performance (this wasn’t a new problem, or even close to new).

    Devices from Samsung have enough features for the next 20 iOS updates, and then some - so feature updates there are a ton less relevant. Their users are less likely to be asking for a feature than Apple users (who begged for years for a file manager, and just got notification grouping).

    Android OEMs are pretty good about security updates, these days, and that’s generally good enough for me. Android version updates don’t tend to add much - if anything - they didn’t have years ago, so are quite overrated. Those are more relevant to stock devices, which feel more like iOS for practical usage.

    Multi-Window, Power Saving Modes, Camera features, etc. have been coming to stock Android 2-4 years after OEMs implement them - and often with a worse user experience.

    I think the update relevance depends on how often you upgrade, as well.

    If you upgrade yearly, it is completely ignorable IMO. If you keep a phone for more than 2 years, then it becomes a lot more important.

    Personally going back to Samsung this year. iOS seems like the platform for the patient. Still waiting to gain back some fairly basic functionality that my Note 3 offered, and at this point the goalpost has been moved to September 2019.

    I can no longer destroy my productivity over a preference. I’m exasperated with it.
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    09-17-2018 03:07 PM
  23. tr1ad's Avatar
    @n8ter#AC

    My word... You've certainly summarised most of my thoughts there
    09-17-2018 03:55 PM
  24. TgeekB's Avatar
    It’s really hard to argue one against the other because they are so different.
    For me, service is important. Having a physical location to go to if I have problems means a lot. I haven’t had many issues but it’s still something I value.
    Google collects your information/data for advertising purposes. I’m tired of having advertising pushed at me so, no thanks. No one is a saint but I trust Apple more.
    No fragmentation. Things are more cohesive no matter what devices you are using.
    Support for many more years
    Each has their positives/negatives. For now I’m sticking with Apple.
    MasterDarque likes this.
    09-17-2018 04:09 PM
  25. n8ter#AC's Avatar
    There’s no such thing as Android fragmentation. Haven’t seen that word in like two years. Throwback!

    I think the screen resolutions were more problematic for me, on iOS, than any perceived “fragmentation” on Android.

    Keep in mind a ton of Android users stick with a certain brand, so there is just as much continuity from device to device for them as for Apple users. Fragmentation doesn’t exist for those users. It certainly doesn’t affect the usability of their devices - AT ALL.

    When unused Android, I went from Galaxy S to S2 to S3 to Note 3. This is like going from iPhone 4 to 4S to 5 to 6 Plus. The experience felt not much different from iOS going from device to device - except Samsung was more aggressive with adding software features.

    Most Android users don’t vendor hop. This is why Android OEMs have a hard time competing. Samsung is basically Apple in the Android ecosystem.

    Android is not one monolithic platform/ecosystem like iOS, macOS or Windows. It’s more like Linux. You have Red Hat, and SuSE, and Ubuntu, and Slackware. They all run basically the same apps, even if some packages are different versions.

    Fragmentation is only a thing for people who don’t understand this and/or vendor hop each year; which is missing the point. It also probably means they fail to understand why Android vendors differentiate even at the services later, despite Google being on Android!

    Samsung Experience is based on Android. It is not Android. It’s a compatible platform built on top of a common base. Samsung’s “Android” is as much Android as macOS is BSD. What Android OEMs do are the same things Apple has done with Unix.

    It seems hypocritical that the company who popularized that business model would have fans deriding the competition for following suit.

    Android devices have to be certified for compatibility. Fragmentation is a myth, and always has been. Very few developers on macOS, Windows, iOS or Android target only the latest version of the OS, so why should those people care this much what OS is running under their “district,” as long as the security updates are prompt???
    tr1ad and DMP89145 like this.
    09-17-2018 06:14 PM
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