1. metllicamilitia's Avatar
    I’ve heard some people say they don’t see enough Apple criticism on iMore. So let’s jump into it then, I’d like to keep this an active thread if possible. I’ll post my own dislikes later, for now, what do you not like about Apple?
    01-22-2018 12:10 PM
  2. pkcable's Avatar
    Some may see this as a positive and part of me does also BUT Apple does not really innovate much any more. They let others invent and innovate, and then THEY come along later and often (although NOT always) do it better. Apple Pay, and wireless charging being 2 current examples. Even FaceID is not new or unique, yea yea they probably do it better, BUT Samsung has had an iris scanner for a few years now.
    01-22-2018 12:31 PM
  3. Garz's Avatar
    Some may see this as a positive and part of me does also BUT Apple does not really innovate much any more. They let others invent and innovate, and then THEY come along later and often (although NOT always) do it better. Apple Pay, and wireless charging being 2 current examples. Even FaceID is not new or unique, yea yea they probably do it better, BUT Samsung has had an iris scanner for a few years now.
    Let’s not even get into that iris scanner with Samsung. It’s absolutely horrible compared to Face ID. I’d rather have Apple not be first to get things out but get them right. I have both s8 plus and X and Face ID is night and day better.
    01-22-2018 12:36 PM
  4. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    I’ve heard some people say they don’t see enough Apple criticism on iMore. So let’s jump into it then, I’d like to keep this an active thread if possible. I’ll post my own dislikes later, for now, what do you not like about Apple?
    Unless one is a troll or something, people who congregate in a specific forum share the same affinity for whatever the focus is. In iMore’s case, the focus is on Apple products and services.
    With that in mind, why would there be a “great deal” of criticism? Is there criticism? Yes. However, those who think there should be more are in the minority and probably shouldn’t be here, in my opinion.

    I came to iMore (previously known as TiPB) because I was interested in learning everything I could about Apple products and services as well as help others who may be having issues with theirs. I did not come to iMore to bash or hate on Apple.
    01-22-2018 12:40 PM
  5. pkcable's Avatar
    Let’s not even get into that iris scanner with Samsung. It’s absolutely horrible compared to Face ID. I’d rather have Apple not be first to get things out but get them right. I have both s8 plus and X and Face ID is night and day better.
    Oh yea! 100% agree I tried the iris scanner on my S8 (when I had one) and then turned it off within 2 days. It just didn't work right! So we don't necessarily disagree here.
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    01-22-2018 12:47 PM
  6. Garz's Avatar
    Oh yea! 100% agree I tried the iris scanner on my S8 (when I had one) and then turned it off within 2 days. It just didn't work right! So we don't necessarily disagree here.
    I still have my s8 plus as Samsung sent it to me at launch as part of their insight program. Anytime I use it, the iris scanner frustrates me. I bet the phone that they are about to announce is much improved. It definitely can’t be any worse.
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    01-22-2018 12:57 PM
  7. metllicamilitia's Avatar
    Unless one is a troll or something, people who congregate in a specific forum share the same affinity for whatever the focus is. In iMore’s case, the focus is on Apple products and services.
    With that in mind, why would there be a “great deal” of criticism? Is there criticism? Yes. However, those who think there should be more are in the minority and probably shouldn’t be here, in my opinion.

    I came to iMore (previously known as TiPB) because I was interested in learning everything I could about Apple products and services as well as help others who may be having issues with theirs. I did not come to iMore to bash or hate on Apple.
    I agree, I’m not saying we need to criticize Apple more per se, just that out criticisms of Apple aren’t see enough by some people. So I decided to make threads where we could do that, and if people think we don’t criticize Apple here we have a place to show them to.
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    01-22-2018 12:57 PM
  8. Lee_Bo's Avatar
    Lack of customization. LOVED Nova Launcher on Android. Would love an actual dark mode on iOS. Would love to have a transparent dock on iOS.

    Ok, I'm going to stop now. :-)
    01-22-2018 01:02 PM
  9. Annie_8plus's Avatar
    That they were more consistent in naming their products....
    01-22-2018 03:03 PM
  10. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    I agree, I’m not saying we need to criticize Apple more per se, just that out criticisms of Apple aren’t see enough by some people. So I decided to make threads where we could do that, and if people think we don’t criticize Apple here we have a place to show them to.
    Oh okay. I understand....
    01-22-2018 05:17 PM
  11. DMP89145's Avatar
    Hold my beer ...

    I have commented on this before in this forum. Without a doubt it is Apple's lackadaisical approach as of late. The company has become comfortable, IMO, and no longer puts it's "foot on the gas". In order for technology to advance and be better for consumers, the tech titans have to push hard and all the time.

    Apple should be leading hands down in voice computing, for example. No excuse for having such a huge head start with Siri the way they did and now finding themselves playing catch-up to Amazon and Google.

    The company also needs to be more transparent, specifically regarding user data. What exactly are they collecting and when. I should be able to log into my Apple account and see exactly what they've logged regarding my usage. That information is no where to be found.

    Lastly, on products. All device features should be usable out of the box. If you're selling me a feature on a device, such as fast charging or wireless charging, include whatever equipment I need to utilize said feature along with the device. None of this "sold separately" business.
    Last edited by DMP89145; 01-23-2018 at 11:07 AM. Reason: corrected spelling; credit to Wildo6882
    01-22-2018 06:33 PM
  12. TylerLV76's Avatar
    How restrictive iOS is. Siri has stalled while others have progressed. Dont like how Homekit doesnt use manufacturer logins. Carplay is becoming a pain when resuming from a call. Everything you need to buy to use all the features is ridiculously expensive and some should be included (fast charger).

    My biggest complaint, and Im sorry if this offends anyone, alot of Apple users.
    01-22-2018 07:42 PM
  13. metllicamilitia's Avatar
    I really dislike how much of a business Apple has become. By that I mean it’s more about numbers than the customers. So that falls under the same umbrella as user experience, innovation, and so on. While I know Apple innovates, they spend most of their time innovating the chipsets rather than the feature sets. At some point in the not too distant future Apple is going to lose business by not adding in features that people want. They’ve gone and fragmented iOS 11 having three different versions of it for iPad, LCD iPhones, and OLED iPhones. There’s not a huge difference between the products in each family. Definitely not enough to justify to cost increases for the “higher end” models. So yeah, Apple is bland. It won’t stop me from using their products yet as they still work best for my own workflow, but come on Apple, Steve Jobs couldn’t have been the only idea man you had.
    01-22-2018 10:23 PM
  14. Garz's Avatar
    The greed in their pricing. I mean I’m going to pay whatever they ask. I always have. But an iPhone now costing $1149? Apple care $200? It’s like $1450 after tax if you pay retail. It’s not just the phone. MacBook Pro’s and all have sky rocketed in the past couple of years.

    Greed is what I don’t like about Apple.
    01-22-2018 11:28 PM
  15. anon(9602380)'s Avatar
    The greed in their pricing. I mean I’m going to pay whatever they ask. I always have. But an iPhone now costing $1149? Apple care $200? It’s like $1450 after tax if you pay retail. It’s not just the phone. MacBook Pro’s and all have sky rocketed in the past couple of years.

    Greed is what I don’t like about Apple.
    I couldn't agree more. I'd like to add the innovation has slowed as well in their apps. I wish they would put a little more into their apps.
    01-23-2018 06:11 AM
  16. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    ...

    My biggest complaint, and Im sorry if this offends anyone, alot of Apple users.
    Why would Apple having a lot of people using their products and services bother you?
    01-23-2018 07:08 AM
  17. TylerLV76's Avatar
    Why would Apple having a lot of people using their products and services bother you?
    The amount of people doesnt bother me in the least. The general attitude of alot of Apple users is what bothers me. Theres a certain amount of snobishness this comes with the crowd.
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    01-23-2018 07:34 AM
  18. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    The amount of people doesnt bother me in the least. The general attitude of alot of Apple users is what bothers me. Theres a certain amount of snobishness this comes with the crowd.
    Oh okay.
    01-23-2018 07:45 AM
  19. pkcable's Avatar
    Apple should be leading hands down in voice computing, for example. No excuse for having such a huge head start with Siri the way they did and now finding themselves playing catch-up to Amazon and Google.
    Amen brother! This is so true. A simple (or at least I think it's simple) command to "turn on my flashlight" results in "Sorry but I'm not able to do that." If you ask Google, not only does your flashlight turn on, the "switch" is shown on the screen for when you are ready to turn it off. (You can also turn off the flashlight via voice) Alexa can serve as a smart hub and can do MUCH with lights, provided you have the right equipment. You get my point.
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    01-23-2018 08:20 AM
  20. pkcable's Avatar
    The amount of people doesnt bother me in the least. The general attitude of alot of Apple users is what bothers me. Theres a certain amount of snobishness this comes with the crowd.
    It's a BIT dated since BlackBerry is included, BUT it's still kinda fun.....

    What do you NOT LIKE about Apple?-how-smartphone-users-see-each-other.jpg

    And Windows Phone.....

    What do you NOT LIKE about Apple?-how-smartphone-users-see-windows-phone-users.jpg
    01-23-2018 08:25 AM
  21. TylerLV76's Avatar
    It's a BIT dated since BlackBerry is included, BUT it's still kinda fun.....

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    Lol, hadnt seen that one. Thats funny.
    01-23-2018 08:27 AM
  22. Not Quite Right's Avatar
    and if people think we don’t criticize Apple here we have a place to show them to.
    ... But I don't care what people think ...
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    01-23-2018 08:38 AM
  23. Wildo6882's Avatar
    There are a lot of things that bother me about Apple.

    1) The OS is STALE. For all intents and purposes, it's pretty much the same thing it's always been. Same grid of icons that you can't arrange how you'd like. And the feature adds with each new version of iOS seem to get cheesier and cheesier. I'm sorry, but the iMessage fireworks and Animoji are a joke. They're so targeted to tweens it isn't even funny. Give us split screen apps on iPhones. Give us picture in picture. And for the love of all things holy, lump notifications together. These are things that are actually useful. Not the stupid iMessage features.

    2) The arrogance that they can charge whatever the eff they want because we all will pay it anyway. The X is a great phone, but $1400+ after taxes and AC+ is ridiculous. Apple products have always been expensive, but they're getting into the realm of "can I feed my family something other than Ramen this week if I buy their products" pricing.

    3) They really don't seem to innovate anymore. They are a tech GIANT. They should be pushing the envelope on everything. It would make Google, Amazon, Microsoft, and others much better as well. Which only benefits us, the consumer. To me they seem to be complacent and lackadaisical anymore. Pretty much resigned to going with the flow because they know it'll make them money and please investors.

    4) I also agree with what Tyler said above, a lot of Apple users kind of annoy me. They seem to worship Apple and apologize for everything that Apple does. And they refuse to look outside of the Apple box. There are better products out there, and we all should expect Apple to do more.
    01-23-2018 10:23 AM
  24. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    There are a lot of things that bother me about Apple.

    1) The OS is STALE. For all intents and purposes, it's pretty much the same thing it's always been. Same grid of icons that you can't arrange how you'd like. And the feature adds with each new version of iOS seem to get cheesier and cheesier. I'm sorry, but the iMessage fireworks and Animoji are a joke. They're so targeted to tweens it isn't even funny. Give us split screen apps on iPhones. Give us picture in picture. And for the love of all things holy, lump notifications together. These are things that are actually useful. Not the stupid iMessage features.

    2) The arrogance that they can charge whatever the eff they want because we all will pay it anyway. The X is a great phone, but $1400+ after taxes and AC+ is ridiculous. Apple products have always been expensive, but they're getting into the realm of "can I feed my family something other than Ramen this week if I buy their products" pricing.

    3) They really don't seem to innovate anymore. They are a tech GIANT. They should be pushing the envelope on everything. It would make Google, Amazon, Microsoft, and others much better as well. Which only benefits us, the consumer. To me they seem to be complacent and lackadaisical anymore. Pretty much resigned to going with the flow because they know it'll make them money and please investors.

    4) I also agree with what Tyler said above, a lot of Apple users kind of annoy me. They seem to worship Apple and apologize for everything that Apple does. And they refuse to look outside of the Apple box. There are better products out there, and we all should expect Apple to do more.
    The customer still control the price point, but we as a whole, have forgotten that. I don’t blame Apple for our decision to buy their products at the price they place on them. It’s not their fault if we give in to the price. That’s on us and apparently Apple hasn’t reached a price point that a majority of consumers overwhelmingly rejects.
    Last edited by Just_Me_D; 01-23-2018 at 04:27 PM.
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    01-23-2018 12:54 PM
  25. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    I don't particularly like their liberal stances on things. I mean, I really, really like their stance on inclusion. I've been to an Apple Store where I've been helped by a man in a wheelchair, a deaf person, a girl wearing a hijab, and a guy who looked to have some sort of paralysis. Each of those experiences for me were exactly the same; pleasurable. But there are just some things about them that reek of Wall Street and not Silicon Valley. Garz's post #14 is a perfect example of that. They are a big business looking for big margins but they get a pass on being very Wall Street, bottom "line-y".

    Edit: I think what I meant to say was how they take liberal stances on certain things but in reality they are the very antithesis of that as a corporation.
    01-23-2018 12:55 PM
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