1. Speedygi's Avatar
    https://char.gd/blog/2018/google-is-...stem-for-lunch

    It really made me think hard about when the two started rifting apart. Google had been a huge part of Apple's iOS offerings in the years since the first iPhone release and became soured later on. Makes me wonder if Apple could benefit more from working with Google instead of relying on its own strength to build an ecosystem themselves .

    Just want to hear some of your thoughts.
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    01-19-2018 06:12 AM
  2. Sherry_B's Avatar
    Apple's ecosystem is good where it is, IMHO. They don't need Google.
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    01-19-2018 08:21 AM
  3. Tartarus's Avatar
    Apple's ecosystem is good where it is, IMHO. They don't need Google.
    Preaching to the choir.
    Apple and Google have a vastly different approach to their ecosystem.
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    01-19-2018 09:02 AM
  4. nikkisharif's Avatar
    I think the article is very interesting!!! While I definitely understand how Google’s ecosystem is beneficial to most people, I honestly don’t use many Google items. I have a gmail (my junk account since it’s so old) and Google as my search engine, that’s about it. Everything else is native Apple because that’s what works for me.
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    01-19-2018 08:41 PM
  5. Speedygi's Avatar
    I think the article is very interesting!!! While I definitely understand how Google’s ecosystem is beneficial to most people, I honestly don’t use many Google items. I have a gmail (my junk account since it’s so old) and Google as my search engine, that’s about it. Everything else is native Apple because that’s what works for me.
    Glad you liked the share It's good that people are using both sides as well.
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    01-19-2018 08:55 PM
  6. metllicamilitia's Avatar
    I use a lot of Google services, but I don’t use voice or home speakers, reminders, or any such thing. It’s interesting, but it’s use case doesn’t suit mine. I see the appeal, and I just don’t know if I’d ever use my tech that way. And to be fair, it would be great if Apple let us set default apps.
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    01-19-2018 09:44 PM
  7. DMP89145's Avatar
    Good read. Writer was maybe a hair too enthusiastic for my personal taste, but I appreciate his overall take. I personally DO think voice is the future of computing, and devices will play a role in that system just no longer the center.

    The most recent Vector episode, Rene published a really great piece on voice computing and the possible role Siri could play in the Apple ecosystem. Worth the read/listen if you find some free time.
    01-19-2018 11:06 PM
  8. DMP89145's Avatar
    I think the article is very interesting!!! While I definitely understand how Google’s ecosystem is beneficial to most people, I honestly don’t use many Google items. I have a gmail (my junk account since it’s so old) and Google as my search engine, that’s about it. Everything else is native Apple because that’s what works for me.
    YouTube also, maybe ..?
    01-19-2018 11:07 PM
  9. DMP89145's Avatar
    I use a lot of Google services, but I don’t use voice or home speakers, reminders, or any such thing. It’s interesting, but it’s use case doesn’t suit mine. I see the appeal, and I just don’t know if I’d ever use my tech that way. And to be fair, it would be great if Apple let us set default apps.
    Curious... Could you see yourself being more interested in voice commands if/when Apple gets their version of these devices deployed?
    01-19-2018 11:09 PM
  10. metllicamilitia's Avatar
    Curious... Could you see yourself being more interested in voice commands if/when Apple gets their version of these devices deployed?
    Probably not. The only thing that I would maybe use voice for in that manner is connected home devices. I don’t have any at the moment and my apartment wouldn’t be good for much other than lights. So I would need to live in a house with numerous connected devices to tempt me. Of course, regardless of OS, it all depends on what I can really do with it. If it did a lot of things that made sense to me to use it for, I would consider it, and maybe then use it for other things I normally wouldn’t.
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    01-19-2018 11:17 PM
  11. nikkisharif's Avatar
    YouTube also, maybe ..?
    Nope. I usually only go on YouTube if somebody sends me a link and that’s not very often.
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    01-19-2018 11:18 PM
  12. metllicamilitia's Avatar
    To be fair, I do use the Siri remote with my Apple TV because the keyboard experience is atrocious. So I use Siri to type passwords or search within an app for shows and jumping through videos, like if I missed something. That makes sense to me, more than using my phone as an actually useable keyboard.
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    01-19-2018 11:19 PM
  13. DMP89145's Avatar
    To be fair, I do use the Siri remote with my Apple TV because the keyboard experience is atrocious. So I use Siri to type passwords or search within an app for shows and jumping through videos, like if I missed something. That makes sense to me, more than using my phone as an actually useable keyboard.
    So the idea of using voice more broadly may come into play more for you if/when the appropriate Siri compatible devices are deployed. So say Apple version of Amazon's Echo Show device.. Maybe for the kitchen or nightstand or wherever appropriate?
    01-19-2018 11:43 PM
  14. metllicamilitia's Avatar
    So the idea of using voice more broadly may come into play more for you if/when the appropriate Siri compatible devices are deployed. So say Apple version of Amazon's Echo Show device.. Maybe for the kitchen or nightstand or wherever appropriate?
    Probably not. I want voice to smart enough to not need a command word to activate or take time process. Voice needs to be quick and seamless. The only reason is use Siri on the Siri remote is because the Apple TV keyboard is terrible.
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    01-19-2018 11:45 PM
  15. DMP89145's Avatar
    Nope. I usually only go on YouTube if somebody sends me a link and that’s not very often.
    That's interesting you can miss using YouTube on more than a sporadic basis.. Usually it's Search first and foremost, the Gmail or Maps, YouTube then maybe Chrome..
    01-19-2018 11:47 PM
  16. DMP89145's Avatar
    Probably not. I want voice to smart enough to not need a command word to activate or take time process. Voice needs to be quick and seamless. The only reason is use Siri on the Siri remote is because the Apple TV keyboard is terrible.
    Indeed.
    01-19-2018 11:48 PM
  17. Speedygi's Avatar
    I would like voice to be more sensitive to mumblings because frankly I don't want to be saying stuff out loud in public to do things , until that happens it's probably something I would only use at home .
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    01-20-2018 12:15 AM
  18. Speedygi's Avatar
    Probably not. I want voice to smart enough to not need a command word to activate or take time process. Voice needs to be quick and seamless. The only reason is use Siri on the Siri remote is because the Apple TV keyboard is terrible.
    To be seamless can be a double edged sword imo . It then picks up things when you don't want to which is what I hope doesn't happen .
    01-20-2018 12:17 AM
  19. metllicamilitia's Avatar
    To be seamless can be a double edged sword imo . It then picks up things when you don't want to which is what I hope doesn't happen .
    If it picks up when you don’t want, it’s not seamless or smart enough for me.
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    01-20-2018 12:18 AM
  20. nikkisharif's Avatar
    That's interesting you can miss using YouTube on more than a sporadic basis.. Usually it's Search first and foremost, the Gmail or Maps, YouTube then maybe Chrome..
    I realize I’m the odd duck lol. My kids think it’s so weird that I don’t have the YouTube app🤷🏾*♀️
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    01-20-2018 08:24 AM
  21. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    I think the article is very interesting!!! While I definitely understand how Google’s ecosystem is beneficial to most people, I honestly don’t use many Google items. I have a gmail (my junk account since it’s so old) and Google as my search engine, that’s about it. Everything else is native Apple because that’s what works for me.
    Add in YouTube, and then our use of Google’s services would be identical.
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    01-20-2018 09:18 AM
  22. Lee_Bo's Avatar
    That's a pretty good article, although a little too enthusiastic for me.

    I was "all in" with Google back when I was using Android. Music, photos and drive. Part of my move to iOS was to see the procedure, for me, from Google to Apple. I got all my files from Drive to iCloud, pictured from Google to iCloud, and from Music to iTunes. I still have and use my Gmail address (because I've had it since before Android existed) but currently have it forwarded to my iCloud account.

    While I don't currently have either Google Home or Apple HomePod, Siri on my iPhone and iPad work just fine for me and both my wife and I have Echo and Echo Dot, again both work just fine for what we use them for. Our house is old and no automation is set up. Not really sure I'd use it even if I had it.

    So do I think one ecosystem is better than the other? No. Both both have different features and fit different people and lifestyles.
    01-20-2018 03:16 PM
  23. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    To be fair, I do use the Siri remote with my Apple TV because the keyboard experience is atrocious. So I use Siri to type passwords or search within an app for shows and jumping through videos, like if I missed something. That makes sense to me, more than using my phone as an actually useable keyboard.
    The most I ever use Siri is with my Apple TV remote as well. Mostly with skipping or rewinding during a movie/show, dictation in a search field and the "what did he/she say" request. To my surprise it has worked pretty well for me considering I've had bad experiences with Siri on my iOS devices since its introduction in 2011 with the 4S.
    01-20-2018 05:39 PM
  24. Sherry_B's Avatar
    say Apple version of Amazon's Echo
    Absolutely. We have 4 Echo Dots in the house, and nine times out of ten Alexa either doesn't listen or she talks to herself in empty rooms. We use the Dots mostly for our Hue lights, which she takes for-ev-ar to turn off/on. I've gotten to where I use Siri to work the lights for me as she is lightening fast with them.

    Alexa and her little hockypuck self would get replaced in mere seconds if Apple came out with a similar small Siri enabled device.
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    01-22-2018 02:59 PM
  25. Quis89's Avatar
    https://char.gd/blog/2018/google-is-...stem-for-lunch

    It really made me think hard about when the two started rifting apart. Google had been a huge part of Apple's iOS offerings in the years since the first iPhone release and became soured later on. Makes me wonder if Apple could benefit more from working with Google instead of relying on its own strength to build an ecosystem themselves .

    Just want to hear some of your thoughts.
    I didn't believe there was a debate to be had on which of the two is stronger as far as their ecosystems are concerned. Google is by and far ahead of Apple. Though that's no fault of Apple. Their business approaches are vastly different. You'll find Apple users pride themselves on their privacy. They want their data to stay THEIR data. Google users accept the trade offs. Better products in exchange for their data being monetized by Google. Apple services work "good enough" for their customers. There is a large portion of Apple users who literally have no idea what Android and Google offer because their Apple products work just fine for them.

    The article glazes over Googles use of our personal data but that's really the key here.

    Could Apple benefit from working with Google? Depends on what their goal is. Apple doesn't seem interested in using the data from Apple users to improve it's services. Which is acceptable.
    DMP89145 and Speedygi like this.
    01-22-2018 03:55 PM

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