[Quis89]

Identical twins still have differences it would pick up.

You don’t know this for certainty. They made the statement during the keynote that if you have an “evil twin” you should use your passcode.

I’d wait to make these claims until the phone releases. I’d imagine it would work fine but there are always situations where it may not. Twins may be one of those situations.

[ItnStln]

Right now my concern is with the ongoing threat of a "police state" and the fact that now your phone can't be searched w/o a court order and/or the fact they can "force the thumbprint" to open. A big + for iOS 11 is the fast lock, to remove the thumbprint option and force the code. Now with the "Face" they just hold it up to your face and open your phone. The only thing you can do is close your eyes or turn your head. But it will be much easier to force someone to "open the phone".. so there's that.

My concerns exactly

[ItnStln]

You don’t know this for certainty. They made the statement during the keynote that if you have an “evil twin” you should use your passcode.

I’d wait to make these claims until the phone releases. I’d imagine it would work fine but there are always situations where it may not. Twins may be one of those situations.

Agreed! I graduated with two pairs of identical twins and there was no telling one pair apart, and the other pair was the same way except one would do her hair different than the other.

[Ledsteplin]

You don’t know this for certainty. They made the statement during the keynote that if you have an “evil twin” you should use your passcode.

I’d wait to make these claims until the phone releases. I’d imagine it would work fine but there are always situations where it may not. Twins may be one of those situations.

If someone has issues with an evil twin, they have bigger issues.

[Quis89]

If someone has issues with an evil twin, they have bigger issues.

It’s not so much about the “evil twin” joke as much as it’s about the FaceID potentially struggling with identical twins. We won’t know until November but Apple made it a point to mention those possible troubles. I imagine that was for a reason.

[Ledsteplin]

It’s not so much about the “evil twin” joke as much as it’s about the FaceID potentially struggling with identical twins. We won’t know until November but Apple made it a point to mention those possible troubles. I imagine that was for a reason.

Guess I missed that part.

[Sherry_B]

Does the X also have Touch ID?

There's no physical Home button on the X, so not sure how it would work without it. When using the Compare feature on the Apple website, Touch ID is not there.

Agreed! I graduated with two pairs of identical twins and there was no telling one pair apart, and the other pair was the same way except one would do her hair different than the other.

I have a set of identical twins in my life currently, and aside from one having long hair and the other having short hair there is one difference. One of them has a small mole right on her lower eyelid. Before one of them cut their hair that was the only way you could tell them apart. Even their tattoo's match.

[ItnStln]

I have a set of identical twins in my life currently, and aside from one having long hair and the other having short hair there is one difference. One of them has a small mole right on her lower eyelid. Before one of them cut their hair that was the only way you could tell them apart. Even their tattoo's match.

Interesting I never paid attention to any moles or scars on their faces. That pair was in high school. In college I had one pair of identical twins and they both looked alike except the one had a different jawline because she was in a car wreck. Twins are pretty interesting!

[anon(9721108)]

Interesting article for this....

Apple iPhone X Face ID feature raises concerns around privacy and surveillance
http://a.mynews.ly/!MD.GvbDz

[DarkKnight08]

Right now my concern is with the ongoing threat of a "police state" and the fact that now your phone can't be searched w/o a court order and/or the fact they can "force the thumbprint" to open. A big + for iOS 11 is the fast lock, to remove the thumbprint option and force the code. Now with the "Face" they just hold it up to your face and open your phone. The only thing you can do is close your eyes or turn your head. But it will be much easier to force someone to "open the phone".. so there's that.

As a criminal defense attorney my best advice is don’t get arrested and it won’t be a problem.

[Spencerdl]

Does the X also have Touch ID?

No.

[Spencerdl]

As a criminal defense attorney my best advice is don’t get arrested and it won’t be a problem.

LOL...I'm sitting here like what do these people have to hide. What are they some type of Master Mind for a ring of criminals...LOL.
It's not that serious, I just don't want someone who doesn't belong in my iPhone to have easy access. I'm not worried about law enforcement because I'm not living like that...LOL

[ItnStln]

Interesting article for this....

Apple iPhone X Face ID feature raises concerns around privacy and surveillance
http://a.mynews.ly/!MD.GvbDz

Cops can unlock your phone without a warrant if you use TouchID. I'm curious to see what happens with FaceID.

[Craig]

As a criminal defense attorney my best advice is don’t get arrested and it won’t be a problem.

Has little to do with "getting arrested" it can be as little as "walking down the street" or "going through customs or TSA" or being "Black, Latino, Muslim" in front of any LEO that has a grudge or new "Trump World" attitude. It's about the right to privacy.

[Ledsteplin]

Has little to do with "getting arrested" it can be as little as "walking down the street" or "going through customs or TSA" or being "Black, Latino, Muslim" in front of any LEO that has a grudge or new "Trump World" attitude. It's about the right to privacy.

Wow, are you ever misinformed!

[Ledsteplin]

LOL...I'm sitting here like what do these people have to hide. What are they some type of Master Mind for a ring of criminals...LOL.
It's not that serious, I just don't want someone who doesn't belong in my iPhone to have easy access. I'm not worried about law enforcement because I'm not living like that...LOL

Exactly!

[Ledsteplin]

Cops can unlock your phone without a warrant if you use TouchID. I'm curious to see what happens with FaceID.

All one needs to do is close their eyes. Face ID would then not work.

[Craig]

Exactly!

Good for you, glad you live a life where people are kind, and just or just wealthy. Where we live, we see the police daily in the community. People are being hassled for how they look, what religion they practice, or what country they came from. Enjoy your glass bubble, it's not like that for many of the population. Just ask the 800K dreamers who now have their lives in turmoil. Enjoy your Eden, many of us can't.

[ItnStln]

LOL...I'm sitting here like what do these people have to hide. What are they some type of Master Mind for a ring of criminals...LOL.
It's not that serious, I just don't want someone who doesn't belong in my iPhone to have easy access. I'm not worried about law enforcement because I'm not living like that...LOL

I don't have anything to hide. It's more I don't want people messing with my phone as I've had coworkers and family members text my now ex-fiancée things from my phone. Speaking of my ex-fiancée, she would go through my texts and get pissed when I was texting female coworkers about work. It's to avoid scenarios like that.

[Spencerdl]

I don't have anything to hide. It's more I don't want people messing with my phone as I've had coworkers and family members text my now ex-fiancée things from my phone. Speaking of my ex-fiancée, she would go through my texts and get pissed when I was texting female coworkers about work. It's to avoid scenarios like that.

I'm sure that Face recognition security is more than adequate for that type of protection.

[Spencerdl]

Back on topic .. Please

[Almeuit]

Mod Note

Let's do what Spencer said. I just cleaned up another 5+ posts that were off topic. If you want to discuss the other thing (those of you know what I mean) I invite you to go to the political section of the forum and you can continue that debate. Let's get back to the topic of Face ID.

Thanks.

[Jrome.brooks]

Face id is trash

[Aquila]

My best guess is that Apple isn't claiming that it is more secure without any reason to say so. I'm curious to see how it plays out in the real world.

[Spencerdl]

Mod Note

Let's do what Spencer said. I just cleaned up another 5+ posts that were off topic. If you want to discuss the other thing (those of you know what I mean) I invite you to go to the political section of the forum and you can continue that debate. Let's get back to the topic of Face ID.

Thanks.

Thanks Mobile Nations Moderator Almeuit. I was just coming to clean up. Thanks for the assistance.