1. pappy53's Avatar
    Apple's Phil Schiller addresses 16GB iPhones, single-USB MacBooks, and thinness vs. battery life | The Verge

    It would probably cost Apple $5-$6 to up the base iPhone to 32gb. 16gb is just not enough anymore, and I don't think that it is fair to have to pay an extra $100 to go to 64gb, when a base model at 32gb would be fine. His statement of using the cloud is a lot of smoke-blowing, IMO. He is really saying "we don't want to give up any of our ridiculous profit margin, and want you to pay another $100 for $10 of memory".
    Then as far as batteries go, he said that larger batteries take longer to charge. What? I have never considered charging time as a factor when I could get longer battery life. He needs to just keep quiet, IMO.
    Rant over.
    06-10-2015 02:38 PM
  2. kch50428's Avatar
    Rant over.
    OK... thanks for ranting...
    06-10-2015 02:56 PM
  3. pappy53's Avatar
    OK... thanks for ranting...
    You're welcome.
    06-10-2015 02:58 PM
  4. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    Fair has nothing to do with it, and while I would like to see a 32 GB base model, I do see Phil's point. It's not like what he said wasn't true because we have members here who get by just fine with a 16 GB iPhone in conjunction with cloud services. Although I currently have the 64 GB iPhone 6 Plus, I could still get by with a 16 GB model. Finally, all companies provide a product and/or service "at a profit". People use the marketplace forum to sell their used products "at a profit". Calling a profit margin ridiculous is without merit. We don't have to purchase anything from Apple.
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    06-10-2015 03:09 PM
  5. pappy53's Avatar
    Fair has nothing to do with it, and while I would like to see a 32 GB base model, I do see Phil's point. It's not like what he said wasn't true because we have members here who get by just fine with a 16 GB iPhone in conjunction with cloud services. Although I currently have the 64 GB iPhone 6 Plus, I could still get by with a 16 GB model. Finally, all companies provide a product and/or service "at a profit". People use the marketplace forum to sell their used products "at a profit". Calling a profit margin ridiculous is without merit. We don't have to purchase anything from Apple.
    I get by with my 16gb 6, but it it would be so much better if Apple would invest the minuscule dollars to go to a base 32gb. Then, people that are happy with 16gb would still be happy, and people that need more than 16 but less than 64 would have $100 more in their pocket.
    The underlined statement is true, but a little arrogant, imo. I do buy, and will continue to buy Apple products, but it would seem much better if they would listen to their customers a little more.
    06-10-2015 03:20 PM
  6. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    As far as I'm concerned, they listened plenty to their customers with iOS 8 and then the bigger screens. I liked WWDC last year a lot more because all the stuff for iOS 8 being announced was like a dream come true. We all said "They finally listened to us!"

    I think that in this case they'll eventually listen. Just gotta accept it for what it is right now.
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    06-10-2015 03:32 PM
  7. Bigeric23's Avatar
    Do you feel better now? Take a deep breath.

    I agree with some of your rant, but not all of it. . . . And in the end, everyone has the choice to go elsewhere for their gadgets. However, in my opinion, I don't see anything better anywhere else--all things being equal.
    06-10-2015 04:04 PM
  8. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    How is he full of it? What he said about 16GB phones and users relying on Cloud based storage services is 100% accurate, regardless of what you assume Apple's intentions are. At the end of the day, Apple is a business, so of course their primary goal is to make as much profit as they can for as long a period as they can...they also happen to be one of the most consumer oriented tech companies on the planet, so I personally give them the benefit of the doubt in regards to an idea they have ulterior motives.

    The formula of getting a 16GB device and using cloud based storage is an absolutely legitimate plan of action for some users (many of whom are on the forums and have reflected that is exactly what they do with the 16GB model).
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    06-10-2015 05:07 PM
  9. pappy53's Avatar
    How is he full of it? What he said about 16GB phones and users relying on Cloud based storage services is 100% accurate, regardless of what you assume Apple's intentions are. At the end of the day, Apple is a business, so of course their primary goal is to make as much profit as they can for as long a period as they can...they also happen to be one of the most consumer oriented tech companies on the planet, so I personally give them the benefit of the doubt in regards to an idea they have ulterior motives.

    The formula of getting a 16GB device and using cloud based storage is an absolutely legitimate plan of action for some users (many of whom are on the forums and have reflected that is exactly what they do with the 16GB model).
    True, but it would still be nice if they started at 32gb. The people that need only 16gb would be fine and ones that need more would have it without additional money spent. I think that it will eventually go to that, but no one knows when.
    It could be Apple's "baker's dozen".


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    06-10-2015 05:20 PM
  10. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    True, but it would still be nice if they started at 32gb. The people that need only 16gb would be fine and ones that need more would have it without additional money spent. I think that it will eventually go to that, but no one knows when.
    It could be Apple's "baker's dozen".


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    Let's be honest here though, there are tons of things Apple COULD do that would be "nicer" (more RAM for instance, even if it's not necessary, would be a nice feature to have, especially of the more technically inclined consumer)...we could sit here for days talking about WHY they don't do it, or WHY they should do it, but if there is a reasonable rationale for keeping any certain product or variant of product, who really cares?

    The 16GB model makes some people happy because it's the cheapest variant of iPhone and, when combined with certain cloud based features, can function just fine in today's world of consumer products. Would it be nice if Apple offered a 32GB model in place of it for the same cost to the consumer? Of course it would...but why would a company do that when the 16GB model still sells incredibly and costs them less to make? It'd be like expecting TV manufacturers to include "smart TV" functionality on the lowest spec'ed sets without charging more for it because it doesn't cost them much to add it...that doesn't make any sense in terms of business.

    I'd like Apple to include one of their leather cases with the purchase of my iPhone (since I always buy them anyways), and not charge me more for it. It probably wouldn't cost them much at all to do so, it would probably attract more users in some ways to get the iPhone...but to EXPECT that is silly...Apple can't keep up with demand on both products, so why would they give them away for no reason?
    06-10-2015 05:41 PM
  11. Les74's Avatar
    True, but it would still be nice if they started at 32gb.
    And then people would start complaining that 32g isn't enough....
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    06-10-2015 06:33 PM
  12. BlackBerry Guy's Avatar
    All the smartphone manufacturers do it, not just Apple. Because they can, and it works. Where I am, the Galaxy S6 goes up in increments of $110 for every jump up in storage.

    Don't forget, Schiller is the SVP of Marketing. Of course he's going to put some sort of spin on it - he's doing his job.
    06-10-2015 09:44 PM
  13. tapehead's Avatar
    He's not doing his job all that well if this thread exists, though. I've never met anybody who's happy with 16GB after a long period of time except the most basic of users. I mean most people have to use these phones for a full two-years. And that's an extremely long time to be so cramped. 32GB should be the base model. Or they need to add in an SD-card slot.

    I bought the 4S over the 5/5C strictly because of the 64GB capacity.
    06-12-2015 01:35 AM
  14. Les74's Avatar
    He's not doing his job all that well if this thread exists, though. I've never met anybody who's happy with 16GB after a long period of time except the most basic of users. I mean most people have to use these phones for a full two-years. And that's an extremely long time to be so cramped. 32GB should be the base model. Or they need to add in an SD-card slot.

    I bought the 4S over the 5/5C strictly because of the 64GB capacity.
    Most people don't care about the size of their phone's gb. Most people aren't phone "geeks" and just use it for texting and going online. I have yet to meet anyone...other than myself...that couldn't deal with only 16gb.
    06-12-2015 06:43 AM
  15. tapehead's Avatar
    Most people don't care about the size of their phone's gb. Most people aren't phone "geeks" and just use it for texting and going online. I have yet to meet anyone...other than myself...that couldn't deal with only 16gb.
    That's interesting. I've had a total different experience. I mean people can deal with it, but then when I prod I get the "...well, I wish I had more space for my pictures and stuff."

    Unfortunately for me, cloud is great as a backup but I can't constantly stream with my budget data plan. So I guess it's different for everybody.
    06-12-2015 06:55 AM
  16. Ledsteplin's Avatar
    That's interesting. I've had a total different experience. I mean people can deal with it, but then when I prod I get the "...well, I wish I had more space for my pictures and stuff."

    Unfortunately for me, cloud is great as a backup but I can't constantly stream with my budget data plan. So I guess it's different for everybody.
    If you want more than 16 gb, you can do that. Most users would never use more than what the 16 gb offers. People here in the forums tend to think with their geek hat on. Nearly everyone here screams, "Don't get the 16, get more!". For them it's necessary. But the average person does not put 20+ gb of music and 100 apps on their phone. My Wife has had a 32 gb 5c for 14 months. It came with about 28 gb available. She still has 22 gb available. My cousin had the 16 gb for 2 years. He had about 30 downloaded apps and 600 songs. He still had 5 gb available. He kept most of his photos on his computer. I'm still using my old iP 5 with 16 gb. I've had it since August 3013. I have 4 gb available. I do use Box, Dropbox and OneDrive for photos and videos. I like it that way. I don't want my camera roll cluttered. I have 114 apps but not much music. I'm just not into it that much. I was when I was young. Most people can make do with 16 gb and be happy with it.


    06-12-2015 07:51 AM
  17. Channan's Avatar
    It's not just that upgrading from 16GB to 32GB would cost Apple much money per device. The biggest issue for Apple would be that people who need a little more than 16GB wouldn't pay an extra $100 for 64GB if they had 32GB. I know I'm looking to get at least the 64GB with my next iPhone because I'm sick of managing my storage on my 16GB iPhone, but I wouldn't even consider it if the base model had 32GB, and that's an extra $100 in revenue Apple would lose just from me.

    I would totally love to see the base model for iPhones and iPads be 32GB, but I completely understand why Apple doesn't. 16GB is still enough for a lot of people.
    06-12-2015 09:20 AM
  18. qbnkelt's Avatar
    I would prefer a 32G as a base model. I don't understand the 16, 64, 128 storage. I agree in part with the OP.
    06-12-2015 12:18 PM
  19. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    It's not just that upgrading from 16GB to 32GB would cost Apple much money per device. The biggest issue for Apple would be that people who need a little more than 16GB wouldn't pay an extra $100 for 64GB if they had 32GB. I know I'm looking to get at least the 64GB with my next iPhone because I'm sick of managing my storage on my 16GB iPhone, but I wouldn't even consider it if the base model had 32GB, and that's an extra $100 in revenue Apple would lose just from me.

    I would totally love to see the base model for iPhones and iPads be 32GB, but I completely understand why Apple doesn't. 16GB is still enough for a lot of people.
    Yeah, but there are far too many people who will spend the extra money to simply not have the base model because they associate it with being cheap and only for those who can't "afford" the more expensive models, despite the fact that all models are identical with the exception of the storage size.
    06-12-2015 12:30 PM
  20. Channan's Avatar
    Yeah, but there are far too many people who will spend the extra money to simply not have the base model because they associate it with being cheap and only for those who can't "afford" the more expensive models, despite the fact that all models are identical with the exception of the storage size.
    I'm willing to bet there are far more people who buy the cheapest iPhone they can get because they just want an iPhone.

    But regardless, there are still many, many people out there who pay the extra $100 because 16GB is just not enough even though 64GB is much more than they'll ever need, and would never have given Apple that extra $100 if 32GB was the base model.
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    06-12-2015 02:50 PM
  21. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    He's not doing his job all that well if this thread exists, though. I've never met anybody who's happy with 16GB after a long period of time except the most basic of users. I mean most people have to use these phones for a full two-years. And that's an extremely long time to be so cramped. 32GB should be the base model. Or they need to add in an SD-card slot.

    I bought the 4S over the 5/5C strictly because of the 64GB capacity.
    Curious where you're getting your numbers to imply "most" people use their smart phones for the full term of their subsidized contract...if you have a source, please share.

    Plenty of people are perfectly fine with the 16GB model. We have posts every year where tons of them come out and defend the idea of using the smallest capacity variant combined with cloud services...and while I couldn't personally do that, they are surely out there in a vast numbers.

    Also, no one in this thread is saying a 32GB version at the same pricing point as the 16GB version would be a bad idea...100% of the people who use the 16GB version would welcome such a thing. Where the logic has to come in is on the business end...why would Apple spend more on the device at the low end of the spectrum when the cheaper version is still selling MORE than well?
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    06-12-2015 02:55 PM
  22. tapehead's Avatar
    Curious where you're getting your numbers to imply "most" people use their smart phones for the full term of their subsidized contract...if you have a source, please share.

    Plenty of people are perfectly fine with the 16GB model. We have posts every year where tons of them come out and defend the idea of using the smallest capacity variant combined with cloud services...and while I couldn't personally do that, they are surely out there in a vast numbers.
    I just said that I got that from my own experiences and social circle. Most people I know don't switch phone unless they have an upgrade. At least in my American social circle.

    But to be fair, the iPod Nano (/Mini) doesn't come in 1GB, 2GB, 4GB, 6GB, or 8GB anymore. Base storage increases over time. 16GB is the new 8GB as far as I'm concerned. Personally, I think all phones that don't come with SD card should have a minimum of 32GB so that you don't really have to worry about it.

    Edit: Sorry, missed your last question. The answer is keep up with Joneses.
    06-12-2015 03:02 PM
  23. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    I'm willing to bet there are far more people who buy the cheapest iPhone they can get because they just want an iPhone.

    But regardless, there are still many, many people out there who pay the extra $100 because 16GB is just not enough even though 64GB is much more than they'll ever need, and would never have given Apple that extra $100 if 32GB was the base model.
    I'm sure there are, but the lineup was 16, 32 and 64. Now it's 16, 64 and 128. If it was just 16 and 64 then yeah, a convincing argument could be made in regard to Apple shafting people for primarily monetary gain however, by including a 128 GB model, while offering the 16 GB model for the same price as before, and giving customers the 64 GB model for the price of the previous 32 GB model is advantageous to the consumer. Some who previously bought the 64 GB model upgraded to 128. Those who previously bought the 32 GB model benefitted big time by getting the 64 GB model at the same price. Everybody wins, in my opinion. What if Apple re-inserts the 32 GB model this fall and then charge $50 more than the 16 GB model, how many people do you think would purchase it in comparison to getting the 16 & 64 GB models?
    Last edited by Just_Me_D; 06-12-2015 at 04:10 PM.
    06-12-2015 03:02 PM
  24. SmartFah's Avatar
    I was upset a few years back after I got an 8gb iPhone 4. I was on a budget and couldn't afford to spend more, so I got it. Also it was my first iPhone, and I was just hyped to finally have one.

    About 4-5 months into having it, I was at a wedding, and when I went to take a pic of my friend walking down the aisle, I got the dang message about the memory being full. I erased a bunch of pics real quick to free up some space, but by the time I was ready, I missed the moment I was trying to capture.

    Needless to say, I was very upset, and decided I will always get the top capacity model from then on. A couple months later, I bought a 64gb iPhone 5 off contract. When the 6+ came out, I used my upgrade and and got the 128gb model.

    I don't ever want to have to worry about space again, so I'm willing to shell out the extra money for it.
    06-12-2015 03:40 PM
  25. Ledsteplin's Avatar
    It's not just that upgrading from 16GB to 32GB would cost Apple much money per device. The biggest issue for Apple would be that people who need a little more than 16GB wouldn't pay an extra $100 for 64GB if they had 32GB. I know I'm looking to get at least the 64GB with my next iPhone because I'm sick of managing my storage on my 16GB iPhone, but I wouldn't even consider it if the base model had 32GB, and that's an extra $100 in revenue Apple would lose just from me.

    I would totally love to see the base model for iPhones and iPads be 32GB, but I completely understand why Apple doesn't. 16GB is still enough for a lot of people.
    Exactly! Apple wants more to up to the 64 gb. It's more $ for them. But still most get by with 16. I want a little more than 16. The 32 would probably work for me as long as I didn't overload with music. But I'll make do with 64 gb.


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