1. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    iOS devices have their place. Nobody denies that. But they need to be secured properly, and right now BES is the clear choice. Nothing else comes close. iPhone would be 10 times better with a file system, expandable memory, an email and attachment system that wasn't from 2006, and real multitasking, you know... for work.
    BlackBerry is not circling the drain. Things admittedly were bad, but no more. They are profitable again, and things are getting better. Nobody denies that it was bleak, but that was then, and this is now. Chen has repeatedly stated that he's going after corp first. Not ONLY... just first. And as stated before, if you don't think your own personal security is important, then I feel scared/sad for you.
    Ever heard of Dropout Jeep? Probably not... or you've ignored it thinking it is BS...
    But it's not.
    The NSA Reportedly Has Total Access To The Apple iPhone
    You might be one of the most delusional people on iMore.
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    05-14-2015 11:09 AM
  2. iEd's Avatar
    BB doesn't get it. Folks want good looking devices. iPhone, Galaxy, HTC and others.
    I just checked out the BB Leap it has no flavor. The Passport looks like a Pop-Tart. BB devices have no flavor and platform has no apps.

    I'm tired of hearing that argument that business can't be done on a iPhone or anything else. For my business the iPhone is key to a smooth operation. If I had to use a BB I'd pull my hair out and I'm bald.


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    05-14-2015 11:35 AM
  3. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    The problem with design was a speed bump they ignored almost a decade ago...that ship has long sailed and left Blackberry behind.

    The biggest issue Blackberry faces today, and the one that will ultimately lead Blackberry to being sold, in my opinion, is the fear investors have in the company itself. Investors view BB as a lame duck...and they've been advising a sale since 2012 (when Google first threw an offer out, then again in January when Samsung did the same...both times Blackberry turned the sale down because they felt they could achieve a monumental comeback).

    Eventually, investors are going to start jumping ship all together, driving the stock price down even more than it has already...then the company will sell for peanuts because the board at Blackberry has this magical idea that the way to fix their sinking ship is to focus on only a portion of the holes in the hull...all the while, some of the largest holes are ignored (AKA: The consumer market), and the water keeps flooding in, while these BB heroes stand proudly at the holes they focused on (Enterprise), ignoring that the ship is still very much sinking (even quicker now).

    Personally, I've always thought that Microsoft was the most attractive potential buyer because A.) Their own devices haven't found immense success on the market in either quadrant, and B.) Windows is to corporate and government computing what Blackberry has been to mobile devices in said circles. It'd make sense that Microsoft, in an effort to continue (and grow) their relationships with the government and corporate America, would buy the company that focuses on the same in the smart phone market (which Microsoft has never cornered anything in).

    We'll see.
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    05-14-2015 11:44 AM
  4. canuckvoip's Avatar
    Wow....
    I bet you bought a blackberry passport at full price.
    Smh.


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    I did... Why, did you get a used iPhone 6+?
    05-14-2015 12:07 PM
  5. canuckvoip's Avatar
    Even I don't give a sh|t about what the NSA can find on my phone. Why are you so concerned about it? Other than you feeling compelled to defend Blackberry at every turn you can.
    I'm concerned because once you give away your liberties, it is difficult or impossible to get them back. You're not worried about it, that's too bad but whatever.
    05-14-2015 12:10 PM
  6. canuckvoip's Avatar
    Passing the buck?
    I have no sympathies for anyone working at blackberry that finds themselves without a job once the company shutters their handset division. Blame management, not iPhone users.

    The writing has been on the wall for years. They chose to ignore it.

    Black berry Important?
    Hahahaha, thanks for the laugh.


    Not passing the buck at all if you've been paying attention. BlackBerry got what they deserved for resting on their laurels (for the most part). If you can't recognize the importance of security then again... I feel sorry for you.






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    05-14-2015 12:12 PM
  7. canuckvoip's Avatar
    Do you mean the iCloud that adds functionality that BB can't come close to having ? I'd hardly. call someone logging into your iCloud account using your name as a password being hacked. That's poor security practices by the user. Don't cut off features to me because someone else is stupid.. The others used common passwords. Apple now limits the number of tries and sends you an email when someone longs in on a different device.

    There have been countless stories of the DEA and other LE agencies crying because they are not able to track iMessages. Six month waits for Apple to unlock iPhones for them.

    So again, other than reducing functionality for people, how does a BB not on BES help me ??? Consumer security died with the killing of BIS.
    Yes, Apple NOW limits the number of tries to get access. They didn't care about you before the fappenning did they?
    Are you denying the DropoutJeep exists?
    05-14-2015 12:17 PM
  8. canuckvoip's Avatar
    Blackberry has almost nothing of value to Apple. Certainly nothing worth buying them out over.
    IMO the only part of Blackberry that has any value at this point is their MDM business and some of their smaller acquisitions that are functioning more or less independent of the larger company.

    Apple is not in the MDM business, and would be wise to stay away from it.
    Apple hasn't shown any interest in getting into to industrial machinery, making QNX worthless to them.
    BB handsets are losing money and are unpopular.
    Their IP is generally not fully fleshed out, badly implemented, or just stuff that the majority of people don't want.
    They've lost many of their high profile employees that might have actually fit in with Apple.
    If Apple car rumours are true, QNX would solve a lot of problems for them. Why re-invent the "wheel" if you don't have to? What OS does Apple have that you would trust to run your car?
    05-14-2015 12:20 PM
  9. kch50428's Avatar
    Not passing the buck at all if you've been paying attention. BlackBerry got what they deserved for resting on their laurels (for the most part). If you can't recognize the importance of security then again... I feel sorry for you.
    You've got to grasp the reality that your beloved Blackberry isn't the only game in town when it comes to security... and that's all BB has left going for it...
    05-14-2015 12:20 PM
  10. canuckvoip's Avatar
    You might be one of the most delusional people on iMore.
    Why? I guess you just refuse to see the facts. Explain why you think I'm delusional please.
    05-14-2015 12:23 PM
  11. canuckvoip's Avatar
    BB doesn't get it. Folks want good looking devices. iPhone, Galaxy, HTC and others.
    I just checked out the BB Leap it has no flavor. The Passport looks like a Pop-Tart. BB devices have no flavor and platform has no apps.

    I'm tired of hearing that argument that business can't be done on a iPhone or anything else. For my business the iPhone is key to a smooth operation. If I had to use a BB I'd pull my hair out and I'm bald.


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    BB doesn't work for you. That's cool. Everyone has a different use case.
    Nice 5 string bass, you play keys too?
    05-14-2015 12:25 PM
  12. kch50428's Avatar
    Why? I guess you just refuse to see the facts. Explain why you think I'm delusional please.
    Business & Education - Networking & Security - Apple Support -- Go. Learn things. Your endless bleat about BB being the be-all, end-all only viable security solution is a view of someone who is looking out at the world through the peep-hole that replaced their umbilicus...
    05-14-2015 12:27 PM
  13. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    Why? I guess you just refuse to see the facts. Explain why you think I'm delusional please.
    Oh I did, you just seem to have ignored it...not surprising really. Blackberry doesn't survive without investors...investors are terrified to invest in Blackberry. Blackberry WILL be sold eventually (after this existing board realizes what the last one did and they stop pretending government accounts will maintain Blackberry on it's own).

    Also, your idea that Blackberry is the ONLY legitimate option in mobile security is hilarious.
    05-14-2015 12:29 PM
  14. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    I'm concerned because once you give away your liberties, it is difficult or impossible to get them back. You're not worried about it, that's too bad but whatever.
    That's the thing. I haven't given away any liberties.
    05-14-2015 12:34 PM
  15. canuckvoip's Avatar
    The problem with design was a speed bump they ignored almost a decade ago...that ship has long sailed and left Blackberry behind.

    The biggest issue Blackberry faces today, and the one that will ultimately lead Blackberry to being sold, in my opinion, is the fear investors have in the company itself. Investors view BB as a lame duck...and they've been advising a sale since 2012 (when Google first threw an offer out, then again in January when Samsung did the same...both times Blackberry turned the sale down because they felt they could achieve a monumental comeback).

    Eventually, investors are going to start jumping ship all together, driving the stock price down even more than it has already...then the company will sell for peanuts because the board at Blackberry has this magical idea that the way to fix their sinking ship is to focus on only a portion of the holes in the hull...all the while, some of the largest holes are ignored (AKA: The consumer market), and the water keeps flooding in, while these BB heroes stand proudly at the holes they focused on (Enterprise), ignoring that the ship is still very much sinking (even quicker now).

    Personally, I've always thought that Microsoft was the most attractive potential buyer because A.) Their own devices haven't found immense success on the market in either quadrant, and B.) Windows is to corporate and government computing what Blackberry has been to mobile devices in said circles. It'd make sense that Microsoft, in an effort to continue (and grow) their relationships with the government and corporate America, would buy the company that focuses on the same in the smart phone market (which Microsoft has never cornered anything in).

    We'll see.
    Interesting thoughts. I think it would have been more valid approx. 2 years ago, but I get what you're saying. I think things have changed though, and for the better.
    05-14-2015 12:37 PM
  16. canuckvoip's Avatar
    Business & Education - Networking & Security - Apple Support -- Go. Learn things. Your endless bleat about BB being the be-all, end-all only viable security solution is a view of someone who is looking out at the world through the peep-hole that replaced their umbilicus...
    I'll take the word of internationally respected security experts over the company line any day, but thanks.
    05-14-2015 12:38 PM
  17. kch50428's Avatar
    I'll take the word of internationally respected security experts over the company line any day, but thanks.
    How narrow minded of you. And bigoted.
    05-14-2015 12:40 PM
  18. canuckvoip's Avatar
    Oh I did, you just seem to have ignored it...not surprising really. Blackberry doesn't survive without investors...investors are terrified to invest in Blackberry. Blackberry WILL be sold eventually (after this existing board realizes what the last one did and they stop pretending government accounts will maintain Blackberry on it's own).

    Also, your idea that Blackberry is the ONLY legitimate option in mobile security is hilarious.
    Dang it... I've said it before, and I'll say it again.
    Competition and choice is GOOD!
    Everybody needs more choice. It ends up making ALL the products better!
    Oh, and...
    108 year-old investor Irving Kahn increases BlackBerry stake - Cantech Letter
    05-14-2015 12:42 PM
  19. canuckvoip's Avatar
    How narrow minded of you. And bigoted.
    Bigoted?
    Bwahahahahaha!!!!!
    Again and again and again... Choice is good! Your choice is yours! I'm cool with that! If you can't see the benefits of Apple buying BlackBerry, then maybe... Hmmm...
    05-14-2015 12:46 PM
  20. kch50428's Avatar
    If you can't see the benefits of Apple buying BlackBerry, then maybe... Hmmm...
    I can see the benefits... It would be for patents as has been noted numerous times above...it ain't for blinky lights, physical keyboards, or the hot mess that is the Hub... which has a thread all it's own...
    05-14-2015 12:51 PM
  21. qbnkelt's Avatar
    Here is how the Quasimodo performs. That's HDR.
    Yah........that's on a "flagship" BlackBerry.
    That is an unusable pic. Got a few of those.
    Processed bovine feed.
    Apple and Blackberry, as one?-uploadfromtaptalk1431623046525.jpg

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    05-14-2015 01:06 PM
  22. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    Dang it... I've said it before, and I'll say it again.
    Competition and choice is GOOD!
    Everybody needs more choice. It ends up making ALL the products better!
    Oh, and...
    108 year-old investor Irving Kahn increases BlackBerry stake - Cantech Letter
    You're joking right? Did you not see the response i made directly to YOU stating the same thing about competition? Let's try and keep up here man, otherwise it'll become really redundant having to remind you that I said the same EXACT thing you just said myself, lol.

    As far as the link you posted...it would behoove you to actually go read it, and look at the date it was posted.
    05-14-2015 01:12 PM
  23. qbnkelt's Avatar
    Here is one I thought was good until I looked closer. Subjects were not moving.
    Apple and Blackberry, as one?-uploadfromtaptalk1431623593749.jpg

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    05-14-2015 01:13 PM
  24. canuckvoip's Avatar
    I can see the benefits... It would be for patents as has been noted numerous times above...it ain't for blinky lights, physical keyboards, or the hot mess that is the Hub... which has a thread all it's own...
    I understand that you see no benefit in anything BB has, says, or does. Your dislike for the three things you picked on are merely subjective. Others find them useful.
    That's OK, right?
    05-14-2015 01:15 PM
  25. canuckvoip's Avatar
    You're joking right? Did you not see the response i made directly to YOU stating the same thing about competition? Let's try and keep up here man, otherwise it'll become really redundant having to remind you that I said the same EXACT thing you just said myself, lol.

    As far as the link you posted...it would behoove you to actually go read it, and look at the date it was posted.
    Lol! That date! You're right, I can admit when I'm wrong, sorry.
    And I also apologize if I missed you saying the same thing. Getting a little busy in here, but that's not really an excuse.
    05-14-2015 01:21 PM
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