1. Evilguppy's Avatar
    Yea. You can keep saying that.

    I have a sister. I have a friend.

    They're running the first ever iPhone with iOS 10 and they never had a problem.

    And I just told you I disagree. From my own experience the 4s was almost unusable with iOS 7. Ended up selling it.

    I don't care about your anecdotes. They make no difference to me.

    You said what you said. I said what I said.

    I don't need to hear anymore, my iPhone works great. That's the end of that.
    So now you're implying that I made up knowing someone with a 4S running IOS 8.
    Well, ok, then, nevermind that I live in Silicon Valley where people prefer older iPhones to newer Androids and that your sole reason for your baseless accusation is that you couldn't argue your way out of a paper bag on this one.

    Again, YES, IOS 7 was a catastrophe for many including me, but apparently all the updates must have worked because a lot of people run the current IOS on older devices.
    04-23-2015 08:43 PM
  2. kch50428's Avatar
    iOS 7 was a massive fail.
    Nice statement of opinion as fact... smh...

    Not in my opinion. It was the worst iOS release in history. All they've done since is fix iOS 7. All this iOS 8 is to clean up the mess of iOS 7, from performance from the new stupid transitions to everything else.
    smh some more... it is your opinion...totally. And one that does not meet with my experience. At all.
    04-23-2015 08:43 PM
  3. ajarnfalang's Avatar

    Again, YES, IOS 7 was a catastrophe for many including me, .
    Thank you. Someone is making sense now.

    And yes. All the subsequent updates have fixed the mess iOS 7 created. Forstall and Steve would never have allowed that iOS 7 to come out like it did.


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    04-23-2015 08:45 PM
  4. kch50428's Avatar
    It is fact.
    because you say so? No.
    04-23-2015 08:45 PM
  5. ajarnfalang's Avatar
    because you say so? No.
    Look above. A sensible real user agrees.

    iOS 7 was a disaster. Granted they have fixed much of it since.

    I'm sure you won't believe anything I say, so ask Evilguppy to tell you her (it's a her right?) experience with iOS 7.

    I'll let her go first and then I'll chime in and agree.

    Because if I start you'll dismiss it as me lying.

    In the meantime you can start reading this. It's a flashback to 2013 when it came out. Some of you may be a bit fuzzy

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2...blems/2986189/

    And I experienced all of this.

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    04-23-2015 08:46 PM
  6. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    It's only accurate because it follows in line with your own personal opinion? You poor thing, lol.

    iOS 7 was far from a disaster to me...if Evilguppy said the same thing you did (about it being a 'fact') I'd respond to her the same way.

    And you keep implying that I said iPhones/iOS is perfect...can you show me where I said that? I'll wait (forever).

    You have an opinion...no more factual than anyone else that has an opinion.
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    04-23-2015 08:51 PM
  7. ajarnfalang's Avatar
    It's only accurate because it follows in line with your own personal opinion? You poor thing, lol.

    iOS 7 was far from a disaster to me...if Evilguppy said the same thing you did (about it being a 'fact') I'd respond to her the same way.

    And you keep implying that I said iPhones/iOS is perfect...can you show me where I said that? I'll wait (forever).

    You have an opinion...no more factual than anyone else that has an opinion.
    She said "it was a catastrophe for many including me".

    Just read the thread. It's all there.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2...blems/2986189/

    We are not making this up.

    I know you'll defend apple to your grave, but it was. iOS 7 was bad. It went from a solid well put together tank to a Yugo.

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    04-23-2015 08:54 PM
  8. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    She said "it was a catastrophe for many including me".

    Just read the thread. It's all there.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2...blems/2986189/

    We are not making this up.


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    Do you understand what the word "opinion" means and how they work?
    04-23-2015 08:57 PM
  9. ajarnfalang's Avatar
    Do you understand what the word "opinion" means and how they work?
    Are you reading what I'm posting? Those aren't our opinions. They are well documented issues that were brought on by iOS 7 that made it to the news, that Apple acknowledged as issues and subsequently, slowly but surely, fixed those issues.

    It isn't my opinion. It is my experience and the experience of many others that was acknowledged by Apple themselves as being real issues they had to fix.

    And I gave you an article for you to read if you don't believe what I'm saying.

    But now you'll say that articles lie.

    iOS has issues. When you updated to 8.3 did you read what you were installing?

    For example one of the issues was the constant dropping of wifi and poor wifi performance. If I come here saying I have wifi problems then you'll say I'm lying and that it is my opinion that iOS has issues because wifi works for you and everyone you know has no problems with wifi. Yet apple just released 8.3 to fix the wifi issue.

    These aren't opinions. They're reality.

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    04-23-2015 09:00 PM
  10. qbnkelt's Avatar
    There are no Blackberry phones. Anywhere

    Like I said, my iOS devices work fine. Why do I need to update? I'm not getting anything I don't already have. Different color emoji? I don't need that.

    The rest are fixes for problems I don't have.

    Did you even read what 8.3 was before you hit Install? Or do you guys just buy a new phone every year so you don't care?

    Because subsidies are a USA thing. I have to buy these things out right. $800 is a lot to pay for a phone. I need that phone to last me a very long time, so when the phone is rendered useless, like the 3G when iOS 4 came out and the iPhone 4/4s when iOS 7 came out (not to mention the older iPads), then you have to think twice about what you install on your phone because you may end up with a very expensive brick.

    It's nice to live with subsidies where you pay $199 and just get every other iPhone. That's just fine and dandy isn't it.

    8.3, again, is a collection of fixes for problems, yes problems, that REAL PEOPLE have. Not you 2 because you're special, but MANY people have problems so apple fixed them. And they threw more colors for Emoji. That's iOS 8.3.
    You REALLY like nonsensical hyperbole, don't you???? LOL!!!!!!

    There are NO BlackBerry phones anywhere!!!!! And that's a FACT says you!!!!
    Right.....
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    04-23-2015 09:12 PM
  11. ajarnfalang's Avatar
    You REALLY like nonsensical hyperbole, don't you???? LOL!!!!!!

    There are NO BlackBerry phones anywhere!!!!! And that's a FACT says you!!!!
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    Nowhere. I live in Thailand. Blackberry disappeared from Thailand a few years ago.

    I'm sure they're still being sold in the west, but you can't find them here anywhere. They used to even have their own flagship store and they closed that too. It doesn't exist.

    I tried already. My first smartphone here was a Blackberry Bold 9000.

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    04-23-2015 09:14 PM
  12. qbnkelt's Avatar
    The Z3 just released in Thailand. The Passport is available in Thailand. The Classic is coming out in Thailand.

    http://www.mobile57.com/blackberry-z...iland-5045.php

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    04-23-2015 09:15 PM
  13. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    You said iOS 7 was a total failure...that is your "opinion".

    I never debated whether iOS 7 had a lot of issues...I just said that in my opinion (there's that magic word again), it wasn't a total failure.

    It's tiring trying to teach you basic grammar and reading comprehension. These are things my niece has a firm grasp and control over, and she's 10. Is it too much to ask for you to take a second to understand what you're reading, what you're posting and what the words mean that are being said?

    When I updated to 8.3, I most certainly read what I was installing...I also read what people who have been running the beta were posting, I also read what some of the people who were the first to download it were reflecting. Then I downloaded it because some of the things addressed were things I also wanted fixed (like I discussed before).

    Is it a perfect firmware update? It has been for me...have no idea how it's been for others because my iPhone is running splendidly right now...why would I concern myself with how your iPhone or anyone else's iPhone is running?
    04-23-2015 09:17 PM
  14. Evilguppy's Avatar
    It's only accurate because it follows in line with your own personal opinion? You poor thing, lol.

    iOS 7 was far from a disaster to me...if Evilguppy said the same thing you did (about it being a 'fact') I'd respond to her the same way.

    And you keep implying that I said iPhones/iOS is perfect...can you show me where I said that? I'll wait (forever).

    You have an opinion...no more factual than anyone else that has an opinion.
    Damnit, Sean. You're one of chosen people who sailed through IOS 7 without a problem, aren't you?
    *kicks stone*
    My experience with IOS 7 was the tech equivalent to going to the dentist for a routine visit and coming out a different gender, missing limbs, organs, blind and mute.
    It was brutal.

    I know others had perfectly fine IOS 7 updates, others had minor glitches that were quickly solved, but *I* got hazed like a spoiled brat during basic.

    Man I love IOS 8, hehehe...
    04-23-2015 09:17 PM
  15. ajarnfalang's Avatar
    The Z3 just released in Thailand. The Passport is available in Thailand. The Classic is coming out in Thailand.

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    That's not true. You don't live here. I'm telling you blackberry is over. There aren't any blackberries.

    The last one I saw was maybe a Z10 a long time ago. Then they took them off the shelves.

    I even called AIS. It was advertised they had the Q10. Even on their website. I called. They told me to call corporate. I called corporate, they said No. I went to the store. Nothing. I asked around. Everyone looked at me like I was crazy asking for a blackberry.

    I haven't seen a blackberry around here in years.

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    04-23-2015 09:18 PM
  16. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    Nowhere. I live in Thailand. Blackberry disappeared from Thailand a few years ago.

    I'm sure they're still being sold in the west, but you can't find them here anywhere. They used to even have their own flagship store and they closed that too. It doesn't exist.

    I tried already. My first smartphone here was a Blackberry Bold 9000.

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    They must have a different definition of the word "opinion" in Thailand. That would explain why you really have no concept of what the word means or how opinions are used/applied.
    04-23-2015 09:18 PM
  17. ajarnfalang's Avatar
    They must have a different definition of the word "opinion" in Thailand. That would explain why you really have no concept of what the word means or how opinions are used/applied.
    I don't know. I'm not thai.

    Damnit, Sean. You're one of chosen people who sailed through IOS 7 without a problem, aren't you?
    *kicks stone*
    My experience with IOS 7 was the tech equivalent to going to the dentist for a routine visit and coming out a different gender, missing limbs, organs, blind and mute.
    It was brutal.

    I know others had perfectly fine IOS 7 updates, others had minor glitches that were quickly solved, but *I* got hazed like a spoiled brat during basic.

    Man I love IOS 8, hehehe...
    See that? That's not her opinion. That's fact. Her experience and that of countless others.

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    04-23-2015 09:19 PM
  18. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    Damnit, Sean. You're one of chosen people who sailed through IOS 7 without a problem, aren't you?
    *kicks stone*
    My experience with IOS 7 was the tech equivalent to going to the dentist for a routine visit and coming out a different gender, missing limbs, organs, blind and mute.
    It was brutal.

    I know others had perfectly fine IOS 7 updates, others had minor glitches that were quickly solved, but *I* got hazed like a spoiled brat during basic.

    Man I love IOS 8, hehehe...
    I wouldn't call it "without a problem", it certainly wasn't an "upgrade" to me when it came around...but "failure" is also not how I would describe it. To me, iOS 7 was a growing pains type of firmware where Apple knew what they wanted, and knew what the consumer asked for, and when they tried to execute it all together, it missed the mark.

    Was it unusable? To me, not at all. I actually liked some of the additions, and other things I didn't care for...but I saw where Apple was trying to go, so I stayed along for the ride, and I'm glad I did, because iOS 8 has been a great OS in my opinion, and things that I liked from iOS 7 have been carried over and polished where we are now.

    I know a lot of people hated iOS 7...and I have no debate with that, there was A LOT to hate! But when a person comes in here and tells me that it was a failure, and that my opinion to the contrary is "wrong", I just have to laugh because that kind of argument is just ridiculous.
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    04-23-2015 09:22 PM
  19. ajarnfalang's Avatar
    I wouldn't call it "without a problem", it certainly wasn't an "upgrade" to me when it came around...but "failure" is also not how I would describe it. To me, iOS 7 was a growing pains type of firmware where Apple knew what they wanted, and knew what the consumer asked for, and when they tried to execute it all together, it missed the mark.

    Was it unusable? To me, not at all. I actually liked some of the additions, and other things I didn't care for...but I saw where Apple was trying to go, so I stayed along for the ride, and I'm glad I did, because iOS 8 has been a great OS in my opinion, and things that I liked from iOS 7 have been carried over and polished where we are now.

    I know a lot of people hated iOS 7...and I have no debate with that, there was A LOT to hate! But when a person comes in here and tells me that it was a failure, and that my opinion to the contrary is "wrong", I just have to laugh because that kind of argument is just ridiculous.
    You're right.

    When iOS 7 came out it was a total success.

    Haha.

    Now that someone else came in telling you how crap iOS 7 was that calmed you down some didn't it.

    Good boy.


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    04-23-2015 09:24 PM
  20. qbnkelt's Avatar
    That's not true. You don't live here. I'm telling you blackberry is over. There aren't any blackberries.

    The last one I saw was maybe a Z10 a long time ago. Then they took them off the shelves.

    I even called AIS. It was advertised they had the Q10. Even on their website. I called. They told me to call corporate. I called corporate, they said No. I went to the store. Nothing. I asked around. Everyone looked at me like I was crazy asking for a blackberry.

    I haven't seen a blackberry around here in years.

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    04-23-2015 09:24 PM
  21. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    I don't know. I'm not thai.



    See that? That's not her opinion. That's fact. Her experience and that of countless others.

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    Her distaste for iOS 7 is most certainly an opinion...the things she experienced while using iOS 7 were factual. Why is it difficult for you to see this differentiation? You've clamored on here enough to show you have basic understanding of the english language, but for some reason you can't (or refuse to) accept opinions for what they are.
    04-23-2015 09:25 PM
  22. ajarnfalang's Avatar
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    Hahaha. Do you know what Lazada is?

    I was tempted to buy it there until I was told not to. Thais don't trust that. Many have paid money to never receive what they paid for.

    You can buy anything online. Lazada is like Amazon. That doesn't mean you can actually buy a Blackberry here. Blackberry has disappeared from thailand. I'm telling you. You have no business arguing that with my since im the one who lives here.

    Online? Of course. One could get anything online. But no carrier here is officially selling any blackberries. Nobody carries it anymore. It is dead.

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    04-23-2015 09:25 PM
  23. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    You're right.

    When iOS 7 came out it was a total success.

    Haha.

    Now that someone else came in telling you how crap iOS 7 was that calmed you down some didn't it.

    Good boy.


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    Show me where I said it was even remotely successful...again, I'll wait (forever).

    I said it was not a failure in my opinion. That was the extent that I elaborated on it previously, and expounded on it there because she seemed to be able to comprehend simple english.

    You, little one, have yet to prove you are capable of such.
    04-23-2015 09:26 PM
  24. Evilguppy's Avatar
    I wouldn't call it "without a problem", it certainly wasn't an "upgrade" to me when it came around...but "failure" is also not how I would describe it. To me, iOS 7 was a growing pains type of firmware where Apple knew what they wanted, and knew what the consumer asked for, and when they tried to execute it all together, it missed the mark.

    Was it unusable? To me, not at all. I actually liked some of the additions, and other things I didn't care for...but I saw where Apple was trying to go, so I stayed along for the ride, and I'm glad I did, because iOS 8 has been a great OS in my opinion, and things that I liked from iOS 7 have been carried over and polished where we are now.

    I know a lot of people hated iOS 7...and I have no debate with that, there was A LOT to hate! But when a person comes in here and tells me that it was a failure, and that my opinion to the contrary is "wrong", I just have to laugh because that kind of argument is just ridiculous.
    I get easily frustrated because unlike you, I am really tech challenged. My background has nothing to do with technology and while I rely on tech I don't know squat about it so problems make me freeze in a panic and I have zero ability in seeing for example, where Apple was going with IOS 7.
    So for me, it was a complete, total and utter debacle.
    Sure enough, my kids had no issues with it.
    ... But then, they're the ones who taught me how to turn on a computer and send a text from a phone in the first place, lol.
    04-23-2015 09:28 PM
  25. ajarnfalang's Avatar
    Show me where I said it was even remotely successful...again, I'll wait (forever).

    I said it was not a failure in my opinion. That was the extent that I elaborated on it previously, and expounded on it there because she seemed to be able to comprehend simple english.

    You, little one, have yet to prove you are capable of such.
    iOS 7 was a failure. In my opinion.

    You have your opinion and I have mine.

    You keep going in circles and getting personal insulting me. I haven't.

    Usually when people get personal it means they have nothing to say.

    I'm not sure why we are going on about iOS 7.

    Failure for me. Not failure for you. And that's that.


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    04-23-2015 09:29 PM
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