1. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    Having used smartphones now for the better part of 8 years, I don't think I ever found myself thinking "You know what would be cool? If I had a gadget-type watch!" I know Apple wasnt't the first to make a computer, smartphone, tablet, and now watch. But I'm starting to get the feeling that Apple is going to shove this stupid watch down my throat in the coming months. I swear to you that I wasn't moved at all by the announcement at the iPhone event with the "one more thing" thing. I thought it was really gimmicky. Not only that, I have an inkling that down the road there could be certain apps and services that won't work without a watch that would work just fine on only a phone.

    I'm bracing myself for all the coverage the tech sites are going to give it, and how bored to death I will be of the coverage. I'm already bothered by the coverage the SDK has gotten. I understand that that's what comes with the territory though.

    I'm not one to make posts about how much I don't like something. I'm making this post posing the question that the title is asking. Do you think Apple will sort of cripple what we have now in order to push a watch?
    11-21-2014 11:17 AM
  2. bamf-hacker's Avatar
    I think Apple is smart enough to know that the smart watch category is not main stream. I think they would be shooting themselves in the foot if they crippled the booming smart phone market to try and sell more watches.
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    11-21-2014 11:35 AM
  3. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    I should have used a better word than 'crippled' because it's overboard. Maybe the term should be "detracting" from the smartphone. I know that right now as it stands the SDK for development is reliant on the iPhone. The watch itself will be reliant on the iPhone. For now. There will come a time where the watch and its apps can be on their own. That's what worries me. That the development for the watch might one day get better than what is made for the phone.
    11-21-2014 03:31 PM
  4. sanibel's Avatar
    I can certainly see the watch being integrated into the Apple ecosystem, I don't understand the fear. After all, the iPhone, iPod and iPad co-exist and pay dividends handsomely.
    11-21-2014 04:27 PM
  5. Eileen89's Avatar
    I should have used a better word than 'crippled' because it's overboard. Maybe the term should be "detracting" from the smartphone. I know that right now as it stands the SDK for development is reliant on the iPhone. The watch itself will be reliant on the iPhone. For now. There will come a time where the watch and its apps can be on their own. That's what worries me. That the development for the watch might one day get better than what is made for the phone.
    I don't think this should be a problem for Apple or interested iWatch customers. As mentioned above, Apple has other products as well such as the iPad and they all seem play nicely with each other. I myself would not purchase and am not interested in the iWatch as I don't see the point in it. However, I do understand Apples need to keep up with the competition like Samsung for example.


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    11-21-2014 06:21 PM
  6. Derrick4Real's Avatar
    i don't know what Apple is trying to do. We don't have conversations. And I don't care. I don't need a new watch. I only wear a watch with a suit and thus if i did buy a new watch it would be a nice dress watch meant for a more dressed up look. They can sell what they want. Good luck to them. If people like it enjoy. I just don't have a use for it. Plus there are literally hundreds of things i'd rather do with my money. These companies sell a product. I don't feel anybody's shoving anything down my throat. I'm not being forced to buy anything. People are free to buy it or not and move on like every other product people decide not to buy.
    11-21-2014 06:40 PM
  7. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    i don't know what Apple is trying to do. We don't have conversations. And I don't care. I don't need a new watch. I only wear a watch with a suit and thus if i did buy a new watch it would be a nice dress watch meant for a more dressed up look. They can sell what they want. Good luck to them. If people like it enjoy. I just don't have a use for it. Plus there are literally hundreds of things i'd rather do with my money. These companies sell a product. I don't feel anybody's shoving anything down my throat. I'm not being forced to buy anything. People are free to buy it or not and move on like every other product people decide not to buy.
    That's great.

    Could you address the question I asked at the end of the original post?
    11-21-2014 08:41 PM
  8. warcraftWidow's Avatar
    I don't think they will cripple the iPhone or detract from it in any way. It will be like the iPad where it is, IMO, complimentary. Even the most optimistic estimates I've seen is 10% of iPhone owners will purchase an Watch. Apple isn't going to do anything to mess with their iPhone market since iPhones are where their profit lies.
    11-21-2014 09:08 PM
  9. LockOnTech's Avatar
    No one; including apple, is forcing anyone or someone to like or to buy the watch. I would like to accept that we can have more variety, I am excited to see what it would look like in person.


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    11-21-2014 10:18 PM
  10. Fit24's Avatar
    I'm not one to make posts about how much I don't like something. I'm making this post posing the question that the title is asking. Do you think Apple will sort of cripple what we have now in order to push a watch?
    I don't think Apple will do anything to detract from the iPhone, which is their best selling product. I think of the watch as an option that may be a selling point for some people, resulting in increased sales for Apple.
    11-22-2014 11:39 AM
  11. iEd's Avatar
    I see the watch being a extension of the iPhone. Like the iPhone was a extension of the Mac. Now it seems the Mac is a extension of the iPhone with regular texts and phone calls on the Mac.
    I don't see the watch detracting from the phone. Of course Apple would like customers to have at least one of every device so I'm sure there will features for watch and phone that will make it seem like necessity. Apple has a way of creating a need for their devices which is good business and marketing.


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    11-22-2014 12:09 PM
  12. Ledsteplin's Avatar
    The Watch is useless as far as I'm concerned. I can see health minded users using it while jogging or otherwise working out. But that ain't me. I do well to barely get around without a cane. But I always have my iPhone with me. I never have liked wearing a watch. I don't think the Watch will detract from anything. They'll sell some, and a good portion of those will end up in a drawer.


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    11-22-2014 12:27 PM
  13. taz323's Avatar
    Very good question, I really can't see Apple messing around that much for a watch.
    11-22-2014 12:33 PM
  14. LockOnTech's Avatar
    I don't think Apple will do anything to detract from the iPhone, which is their best selling product. I think of the watch as an option that may be a selling point for some people, resulting in increased sales for Apple.
    Perhaps a selling point for users who own a iPhone 4s, 5, or 5s.


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    11-22-2014 01:52 PM
  15. acadia11's Avatar
    Have you used the pebble smart watch , I suggest you go play with a smart watch and you'll understand the possibility, ps Apple like most markets is not the innovator here, it did not create the concept of the smart watch. But it does a great job of introducing the possibilities of a technology to the masses.
    11-22-2014 02:22 PM
  16. acadia11's Avatar
    I think Apple is smart enough to know that the smart watch category is not main stream. I think they would be shooting themselves in the foot if they crippled the booming smart phone market to try and sell more watches.
    This is why Apple management runs a near trillion dollar company and you don't. Wearable tech is the wave of the future, it's about how we integrate with the machines around us, human-machine interface. Smart watches will absolutely become mainstream much like a pair of contact lenses that will interface to the environment around you, when we can shrink the concept of Google glass down to that level.

    Think bigger and see the vision, the vision isn't about a watch or not a watch.
    11-22-2014 02:28 PM
  17. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    Have you used the pebble smart watch , I suggest you go play with a smart watch and you'll understand the possibility, ps Apple like most markets is not the innovator here, it did not create the concept of the smart watch. But it does a great job of introducing the possibilities of a technology to the masses.
    I don't want wearable tech which is why I'm quick to dismiss it. That's why I'm not going to try the Pebble. I don't want anything on my wrist.

    I understand that Apple isn't the first which is what I pointed out so I understand how they change and make things better on current tech. I just don't want to one day not be able to do something that requires me to be tethered to a watch if it is something I can easily do on my phone. This is just a feeling I'm getting which speaks to Apple's genius. That they can take current technology and totally reshape and change it. I think that's wonderful. But at the end, I don't want to wear a watch.
    11-22-2014 02:37 PM
  18. GSOgymrat's Avatar
    Apple has a history of giving consumers devices they didn't even know they wanted. There are many people who are just waiting in antici... pation to see what Apple will do with this watch. I do agree there is an annoying air of hype around wearables. Technology is moving at a blazing speed and investors, tech gurus, fashonistas and many others want "the next big thing" to be wearables, whether we like it or not.

    Personally, if a watch can operate independently I would be interested but I don't want a device that is a second screen for a phone. I have a Microsoft Band, which is a fitness device, and the main reason I bought it is because it has a built in GPS so I don't have to carry my phone when I run and it can give me notifications, track my steps, calories, sleep, etc. If a watch allows me to go out to dinner and leave my phone I'm interested but otherwise I doubt I would use it. Granted, I am not your typical consumer and I am not Apple's target demographic. I think most people realize that Apple will release a stylish, refined device that the general public will be lining up to buy.
    11-22-2014 03:01 PM
  19. acadia11's Avatar
    I think some or missing the point, it's not about wearing a device, it's the seamless dissemination of information without being intrusive to your life, blending the line between man and machine. Because people wear watches and often forget they even have them on its even less intrusive than a phone , that's the point of wearables, it's the integration and functionality that's possible. Aside from the obvious intelligence being built into something that was previously unconnected to the machines and environment around it.id stop thinking about that it's a watch and start looking at the vision to understand.it could be anything a necklace, a ring, whatever ...
    11-22-2014 03:06 PM
  20. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    I think some or missing the point, it's not about wearing a device, it's the seamless dissemination of information without being intrusive to your life, blending the line between man and machine. Because people wear watches and often forget they even have them on its even less intrusive than a phone , that's the point of wearables, it's the integration and functionality that's possible. Aside from the obvious intelligence being built into something that was previously unconnected to the machines and environment around it.id stop thinking about that it's a watch and start looking at the vision to understand.
    Wearing a watch IS intrusive. It doesn't matter how many people wear watches and forget they have them on. I've worn watches in the past and they make their presence felt. I don't care how well it'll integrate with my stuff. The fact of the matter is that I would have to wear it. I don't like it.
    11-22-2014 03:09 PM
  21. acadia11's Avatar
    Wearing a watch IS intrusive. It doesn't matter how many people wear watches and forget they have them on. I've worn watches in the past and they make their presence felt. I don't like it.
    Ok, Hberg it's not for you. Maybe for you it would be a shirt, who knows, although you change your shirt everyday ... The point is changing how we interface with machinery and better connecting the machinery around us. Computers used punch cards at one point and vacuum tubes, and we're stand alone, Xerox didn't recognize the power of a mouse, and pointing and clicking, but ultimately it revolutionized how we interfaced with machines, now we have voice ... Next wearables, again stop thinking about the what it is, and look at how you are interacting with a machine. That's the point.
    11-22-2014 03:14 PM
  22. Ledsteplin's Avatar
    I think some or missing the point, it's not about wearing a device, it's the seamless dissemination of information without being intrusive to your life, blending the line between man and machine. Because people wear watches and often forget they even have them on its even less intrusive than a phone , that's the point of wearables, it's the integration and functionality that's possible. Aside from the obvious intelligence being built into something that was previously unconnected to the machines and environment around it.id stop thinking about that it's a watch and start looking at the vision to understand.it could be anything a necklace, a ring, whatever ...
    My point is that I don't need that integration and functionality. My iPhone serves me well enough without a tiny partial version of itself on my wrist. My iPhone is in no way intrusive in my life. Reaching in my pocket and pulling out my iPhone is no issue for me. I can probably access my email faster that way than most will be able to do on an Watch.


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    11-22-2014 03:19 PM
  23. acadia11's Avatar
    My point is that I don't need that integration and functionality. My iPhone serves me well enough without a tiny partial version of itself on my wrist. My iPhone is in no way intrusive in my life. Reaching in my pocket and pulling out my iPhone is no issue for me. I can probably access my email faster that way than most will be able to do on an Watch.


    Sent from my ancient but trustworthy iPhone 5.
    You don't need, but it is how we will work with machines in the future. You don't need a mouse we had keyboards, you don't need a screen we had switches, lights and plotters, you didn't need a cell phone many older generations are content with lan line and snail mail, but better or worse a wearable is the next step, and eventually we will have implants ... This is the procession of technology ... It's actually a science principle called the singularity. Great books on the subject , check one out.
    11-22-2014 03:27 PM
  24. acadia11's Avatar
    My point is that I don't need that integration and functionality. My iPhone serves me well enough without a tiny partial version of itself on my wrist. My iPhone is in no way intrusive in my life. Reaching in my pocket and pulling out my iPhone is no issue for me. I can probably access my email faster that way than most will be able to do on an Watch.


    Sent from my ancient but trustworthy iPhone 5.
    You don't need, but it is how we will work with machines in the future. You don't need a mouse we had keyboards, you don't need a screen we had switches, lights and plotters, you didn't need a cell phone many older generations are content with lan line and snail mail, but better or worse a wearable is the next step, and eventually we will have implants ... This is the procession of technology ... It's actually a science principle called the singularity. Great books on the subject , check one out.

    As to your doing it faster to check mail, all depends on the implementation. What if the mail was read to you. And you never had to reach for anything. After using the pebble I tell you seeing who was calling was not faster than just looking at your wrist. Again, this is what Apple does really well showing the masses the vision.
    11-22-2014 03:30 PM
  25. Derrick4Real's Avatar
    That's great.

    Could you address the question I asked at the end of the original post?
    No i don't think they will cripple what we have now to sell a watch. They will cripple what we have now because of flaws in design choices and Jobs no longer being there to make sound decisions. For example, iTunes, admittedly already not good, loses it's sidebar for no reason making it less user friendly. Simply poor design by people that likely don't have robust music libraries. Now maybe i'm unclear on what you think they'll cripple. My phone is for music, texting, the occasional call, emergency calls, photos. I know others play games on them or even watch netflix. My laptop does desktop publishing, encoding of video, video editing. Point is most of the things i use these devices for aren't suited for a watch. There was overlap between ipods and phones but they didn't cripple iPod's hat I know of. Same with phones and ipads. i'm guessing if there was so much overlap that they had to take things away from an existing device they wouldn't have made the device to sell to begin with. There is also the very big factor that Apple is more and more dependent on the iphone as it's profit center. Every quarter iphones make up more and more of the percantage of apple's profit. ipods, laptops, don't make up the percentages they used to. It makes no sense to damage you're money maker.
    11-24-2014 06:03 AM
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