1. HankAZ's Avatar
    Well it looks like they are acknowledging the wifi issue, because they are fixing it.
    First Yosemite update beta rolls out to developers, AppleSeed program members | iMore

    As for the power button. The problem is not as much that it is in the side. The problem is that it is directly opposite the volume up button. So when holding the phone in either hand and trying to push the power button, the volume button also gets pushed. Same vice versa.

    iEd, Touch ID is not new. "New design" is not new. Saying its new is not something new. For 99% of people a faster cpu is meaningless. Most people don't do that much cup intensive takes that they would ever notice a difference. Camera is better but with the same number of mp.
    Apple pay doesn't work with half the cards out there anyway. So basically nothing exciting is really new. No innovation here at all. Again I am not looking to say why a galaxy is better. I have a 6 and I like it. But other than the screen size I am really not experiencing anything new. I was really hoping for Apple pay, but it doesn't support chase MasterCard, business cards, discover cards and most of my cards. So I can't even use that.
    I am not trying to minimize any issues that you are having. With that said, I hope they are addressing the reported issue that some are having with dropped wifi. But I can also say that every one of the developer previews of Yosemite (and most, if not all of the Mavericks "beta"s) mentioned "wifi" as an area of focus in the release notes. My point is that the fact that it’s listed as a point of focus is not necessarily telling.

    With regards to the camera, it IS better. And the megapixel rating (size) tells us very little about the quality of the camera or the images that it produces. Don’t get hung up on the MP rating to think that the camera somehow doesn't measure up. In my experience, the camera on the iPhone 6 Plus is amazing and is an improvement over the camera in the iPhone 5S.
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    11-04-2014 09:50 AM
  2. IamMasterChat's Avatar
    Then, this might be an isolated case.
    11-04-2014 09:57 AM
  3. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    People really need to get over Steve Jobs. He's dead. Let him rest in peace.
    Spencerdl, jburke82, Fit24 and 2 others like this.
    11-04-2014 10:05 AM
  4. iEd's Avatar
    Well it looks like they are acknowledging the wifi issue, because they are fixing it.
    First Yosemite update beta rolls out to developers, AppleSeed program members | iMore

    As for the power button. The problem is not as much that it is in the side. The problem is that it is directly opposite the volume up button. So when holding the phone in either hand and trying to push the power button, the volume button also gets pushed. Same vice versa.

    iEd, Touch ID is not new. "New design" is not new. Saying its new is not something new. For 99% of people a faster cpu is meaningless. Most people don't do that much cup intensive takes that they would ever notice a difference. Camera is better but with the same number of mp.
    Apple pay doesn't work with half the cards out there anyway. So basically nothing exciting is really new. No innovation here at all. Again I am not looking to say why a galaxy is better. I have a 6 and I like it. But other than the screen size I am really not experiencing anything new. I was really hoping for Apple pay, but it doesn't support chase MasterCard, business cards, discover cards and most of my cards. So I can't even use that.
    That's how bugs get fixed report them to Apple.

    You said your friend has a 5 and he asked what's the difference. Touch ID is new from 5 to 6 not 5S to 6. He asked about differences between 5 and 6 according to your post.

    And improved camera is a improved cam. more mp doesn't mean a improved camera.

    Plenty of people are using Apple Pay. Its up to your card companies to jump on board Apple can't force them to.

    I'm sitting here right now looking at a Galaxy S5. There is nothing going on with it that is so making wish I had one.

    If the 6 isn't exciting to you maybe you should have waited for the 6S.

    If I purchase a device and I'm not pleased with it I return it. Why keep something you don't like or doesn't work for you. I just don't get that concept.
    11-04-2014 10:13 AM
  5. Peterpetram's Avatar
    My iPhone 5 with iOS 8.1 is running just fine. No issues at all. Have you tried any solutions?
    Whats your battery life when turning into 3G??
    11-04-2014 11:58 AM
  6. cmrobbins42's Avatar
    As for the power button. The problem is not as much that it is in the side. The problem is that it is directly opposite the volume up button. So when holding the phone in either hand and trying to push the power button, the volume button also gets pushed. Same vice versa.
    Holding the phone in either hand when i press the power button none of my other fingers are near the volume buttons. Don't know how you are trying to hold the phone that you are having that issue.
    11-04-2014 12:20 PM
  7. Mwanahabari's Avatar
    If you go to Android don't buy Samsung. Worst phone I have ever owned. Gave it to girlfriend and she said it was the worst phone she's ever had. Buggy as hell.
    mayconvert likes this.
    11-04-2014 03:13 PM
  8. jdhooghe's Avatar
    I remember a few years ago before he died. He was on stage presenting an Apple product or speaking about something, and he said "it just works", and also mentioned how some competitors just make junk that is never easy to use, bug riddled, etc. At the time he was right.

    But now, this is really getting out of control.

    1. Yosemite - Wifi constantly disconnects. This started day 1 of Yosemite, Apple does not acknowledge it, and I have read many complaints about it. I using a high end office connection. Not starbucks. Very close to the router.

    I get this problem sometimes with my school's connection(generally crappy) but not with my home network.

    2. Iphone in the same LAN as MAC. iphone rings, so does MAC. Great new feature, however, I answer the call on the iphone, MAC keeps ringing. Sometimes non-stop until I hit decline, and even after the call ended.
    I have a slight delay when it stops ringing but I don't have to full out reject the call.


    3. iOS 8 on an iphone 5 (speaking for a friend here), very slow, crashes, etc. iPhone 6 and 6+ speaking from my own experience. Often when you tap something, it just doesn't respond. As if you didn't tap it at all. Screen rotation issues (although that seems to have gotten better with 8.1).

    It depends on how your friend updated. I very much recommend doing a clean install with software major releases. Use DFU mode. As for my 6+, it is very responsive and I never have to tap again.

    4. Same friend as in #3. He doesn't want to upgrade to a 6/6+ just because of the damn power button that they moved to the side. I can't blame him, it is awful. I can't count how many times I accidentally pressed it when trying to press the volume up button. Also, I have turned up the volume when trying to press the power button. Very annoying.

    Using a 6+, I can say that it would suck quite a bit if the power button was on the top. I have one handed use down pat on my 6+ and having the power button on the side is great and quite convenient. Generally speaking using your thumb to turn off your phone and not one of the fingers that are used to stabilize your phone is also best.

    5. OSX - Absolutely HORRIBLE handling and usability for multiple monitors/full screen/maximize. Windows has done this right since 3.1.

    I'm not sure I agree here. I use Windows 8.1 and it is quite a bit less user friendly than multiple monitors on my OS X system but that is personal preference. I find them, once I get to the correct settings page in Windows 8.1(eurgh), to be the same in window management.

    I had dinner with a different friend the other day who still has an iphone 5. He asked to see my 6. Then he asked me what is new with it other than the size/dimensions. My answer was "uuuuuhhhhhh, Apple Pay". He said "what else?". Well my answer was "nothing really, better camera and CPU?".
    Really, nothing new. I am really getting frustrated lately with Apple products. I used to buy into the whole Apple fantasy, but I think it died with Jobs. I am not looking to switch to a Galaxy or to Windows, but it is getting really hard to keep saying that Apple's products are superior.
    This is down to personal preference. I found the upgrade from my 5 to the 6+ a HUGE upgrade. I'm loving touch id, the better camera, battery life, apple pay and of course the bigger screen. I guess I should ask you what would you like to see happen with the product line? Then find a phone that fits your needs best.
    11-04-2014 04:50 PM
  9. jdhooghe's Avatar
    I am not experiencing any of the OP's issues - really I’m not.

    I love the bigger phone (6 Plus) despite my having been on record as saying that I would never buy it. I did, and I love it. The movement of the sleep/wake button has been a non-event for me. The continuity feature for phone calls and SMS texts between platforms has worked very well for me. I am not experiencing the wifi dropout in Yosemite, though I did in some of the earlier developer preview releases.

    I am generally happy with iOS 8.1 and my iPhone 6 Plus. No real issues to report. Yosemite, however, is not making me quite as happy at the moment. I am not having any issues with windowing or anything like that. I use a 3rd party utility called Moom to manage that, so what they do with the stoplights, etc in Yosemite is not necessarily important to me. I am also running a retina MBP (2012) with no external monitor, so that isn't a personal concern, either.

    I really only have two issues with Yosemite:

    1. Computer keeps renaming itself. I set my computer name up as "rMBP". I now see it renaming itself as "rMBP (2)" and the number randomly increments over time. I reset it and the process repeats. It’s currently "rMBP (3)". I am working with an Apple "Senior Advisor" who has escalated the case to engineering, but so far, no resolution. We’ve deleted share settings, etc, but the problem persists over time. I did go for almost a week without the issue, but now it’s back. BTW, this issue has also caused me to lose over a years' worth of TimeMachine backups, and the renamed computer some how messes up the permissions on the TimeCapsule disk, and all of the files and folders have little red dots ("not" symbols?) on them. Attempts to access them result in an access denied error message.
    2. Bluetooth. My rMBP drops the connection to my bluetooth mouse (Apple MightyMouse) randomly. The only way to restore it’s connection is to reboot my rMBP.


    As many of you may know, I’m pretty deeply invested in iOS and OS X, so I am not going anywhere, but these issues NEED to get resolved, and resolved quickly. I am not a very happy camper right now.
    I've noticed the renaming too. I just thought it was because I restored from my backup.




    Also, more MP doesn't always mean higher picture quality. It'll be nice when Apple rolls out the higher MP rating but it's not on my list of priorities. The pictures continue to improve in quality just using 8MP and is continually keeping up with those other companies that can utilize those increased MP(most can not). Most higher MP cameras look like crap looking at the "post your picture threads" in other forums.

    Incremental is down to personal preference. If the changes they do make aren't big for you, don't upgrade.
    11-04-2014 04:52 PM
  10. Septembersrain's Avatar
    Don't know anything about a Mac or the OS in it. I've only ever owned Windows computers.

    As for the issues with the iPhone 5, I've got a 5c and I'd started experiencing issues. I ended up getting a 5s last weekend to see if it was my device or iOS 8.1. On most things, I think it's the device and the way it processes applications/data. On certain apps though, it's just compatibility issues (I think) with iOS 8.1.

    Overall it's not that bad but it's not as stable as I'd have liked.
    11-04-2014 06:39 PM
  11. parker5011's Avatar
    Don't know anything about a Mac or the OS in it. I've only ever owned Windows computers.

    As for the issues with the iPhone 5, I've got a 5c and I'd started experiencing issues. I ended up getting a 5s last weekend to see if it was my device or iOS 8.1. On most things, I think it's the device and the way it processes applications/data. On certain apps though, it's just compatibility issues (I think) with iOS 8.1.

    Overall it's not that bad but it's not as stable as I'd have liked.
    So are you going to keep your 5s?


    iPhone 6 sending this your way!
    11-04-2014 07:16 PM
  12. sanibel's Avatar
    Aside from Apple-related issues, Steve Job might be turning over in his grave wondering why actors have a hard time committing to his role.
    11-04-2014 07:29 PM
  13. boovish's Avatar
    Well, calling handoff and the likes isn't new, but the kinks haven't been ironed out. On my HP TouchPad, running webOS 3.0.6, whenever I answered a call on my Pre3 the darn thing would switch the sound to the touchpad. Also your friends iPhone is having problems because he probably only bought a 16GB model and filled it completely. No extra space for things really slows the phone down. I saw it with my 5C when I didn't realize that I had downloaded all of my tv shows onto it. Apps would crash like crazy, and sometimes the springboard would crash as well.
    11-04-2014 09:08 PM
  14. baseballbert's Avatar
    My 5 (64GB) runs great on ios8 and the 6 has been smooth as silk.
    11-05-2014 12:07 AM
  15. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    It's really easy for me to feel that Apple is superior. They're unquestionably the best products on the market for me and my needs. Thankfully most people aren't experiencing the issues you're reflecting...I've had nothing but good experience and praise for both iOS 8 and Yosemite (especially Yosemite which added so many new little tweaks and was absolutely free).

    I think you're being a bit overly generic when you speak on the new products for the sake of your argument...in reality, I think even you know there's a lot more to the new iPhone's than what you're leading on about. Paper specs alone differentiate it enough from the previous model to make you comments pretty comical.

    There's a difference between disappointment and groundless hate. Your opinions are starting to flirt with the latter.
    11-05-2014 12:51 PM
  16. cmrobbins42's Avatar
    I'm not sure I agree here. I use Windows 8.1 and it is quite a bit less user friendly than multiple monitors on my OS X system but that is personal preference. I find them, once I get to the correct settings page in Windows 8.1(eurgh), to be the same in window management.
    Win key + P will give you quick access for Primary monitor only, Duplicate between monitors, Extend the desktop (dual monitors) and Second screen only.

    If anyone knows of a similar shortcut for multiple displays on OS X please do share.
    11-05-2014 01:13 PM
  17. qbnkelt's Avatar

    Also, more MP doesn't always mean higher picture quality. It'll be nice when Apple rolls out the higher MP rating but it's not on my list of priorities. The pictures continue to improve in quality just using 8MP and is continually keeping up with those other companies that can utilize those increased MP(most can not). Most higher MP cameras look like crap looking at the "post your picture threads" in other forums.

    .
    This was a zoomed in pic of Peanutkitty on top of the shed roof with the sun (such as it was) behind her.

    I'll take this picture anytime.

    Attachment 70692



    Sent from my SEXY GORGEOUS AWESOME GOLD 128G iPhone 6
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    11-05-2014 01:15 PM
  18. jdhooghe's Avatar
    Win key + P will give you quick access for Primary monitor only, Duplicate between monitors, Extend the desktop (dual monitors) and Second screen only.

    If anyone knows of a similar shortcut for multiple displays on OS X please do share.
    OMG THANK YOU. I only ever use Windows to game but I dread having to go into settings every time. :P I would much rather have a control panel icon on my desktop(the thing I actually use) than to go into Metro and clunk my way through settings.
    11-05-2014 01:43 PM
  19. Beyond Fire's Avatar
    OMG THANK YOU. I only ever use Windows to game but I dread having to go into settings every time. :P I would much rather have a control panel icon on my desktop(the thing I actually use) than to go into Metro and clunk my way through settings.
    Win key + x, you'll thank me later!

    Sent from my HTC M8
    11-05-2014 01:50 PM
  20. mulasien's Avatar
    FWIW, it's not like everything worked perfectly out of the gate when Steve was around.

    Has there been a Mac OS or iOS release that didn't have a few bugs in the initial .0 release?

    What makes Apple different is that those bugs are usually fixed in short order. With as many new features in OS 10.10, it's not surprising that some kinks will need get worked out. I do expect them to get fixed, though.

    As far as iOS8 on iPhone 5, I had no issues with it on my 5 before I got the 6. None at all.
    11-05-2014 04:09 PM
  21. mulasien's Avatar
    Win key + x, you'll thank me later!

    Sent from my HTC M8
    WHAT IS THIS SORCERY!?!?

    I never knew this very handy shortcut. Thank you.
    11-05-2014 04:10 PM
  22. TabZee's Avatar
    Yes, what Steve Jobs gave us is turning to dust along with Steve. It has taken a few years for Tim Cook to destroy what Jobs innovated and produced with quality. Now, we are being squeeze through a wringer to produce one flat product that combines all of Apple products, and quality be damned. I moved from MS-XP in 2007 and greatly enjoyed the wealth of great applications with which I could produce a top quality family book in PDF with 600 photos, great formatting and graphics using iWork-Pages and iPhoto along with some older PC photo editors on my Bootcamp iMac. That book has been destroyed by the new Pages. Luckly, I had a hard copy of Pages'09 to reinstall. I have also been producing great TV-DVD custom slide shows of my family events and travels; with ducking-enabled music/narrative, and TV/DVD-menu styled intro. I used iPhoto, iPhoto-slide shows, iTunes, Garage band, Keynote (for title slides), misc. other programs, and iDVD to put it together. IDVD is now gone (ah! but I have a hard copy that still runs in Mavericks), and soon my slide show capability and and other capabilities will be lost if I update to Yosemite.
    The iPhoto editor for OSX was never a more than a basic editor, but what it did, it did very well. The iPad interface with iTunes was always clumsy but I lived with it. So now in the name of hyper-compatibility with the All-and-only-Apple world, all that Steve Jobs did is being degraded to a foul tasting goulash.
    I will not lose all that I have done to satisfy Cook's thirst for power. I will not upgrade to Yosemite or the next issue of IOS. I will live with the legacy that Jobs left for me, and when it no longer works, I will switch back to MS now that Balmer is gone. I'm going on 80, so it may never come to that. Oh yes, I'll have to turn off the auto updating feature on all my devices.
    11-09-2014 03:18 PM
  23. Flow39's Avatar
    Yes, what Steve Jobs gave us is turning to dust along with Steve. It has taken a few years for Tim Cook to destroy what Jobs innovated and produced with quality. Now, we are being squeeze through a wringer to produce one flat product that combines all of Apple products, and quality be damned. I moved from MS-XP in 2007 and greatly enjoyed the wealth of great applications with which I could produce a top quality family book in PDF with 600 photos, great formatting and graphics using iWork-Pages and iPhoto along with some older PC photo editors on my Bootcamp iMac. That book has been destroyed by the new Pages. Luckly, I had a hard copy of Pages'09 to reinstall. I have also been producing great TV-DVD custom slide shows of my family events and travels; with ducking-enabled music/narrative, and TV/DVD-menu styled intro. I used iPhoto, iPhoto-slide shows, iTunes, Garage band, Keynote (for title slides), misc. other programs, and iDVD to put it together. IDVD is now gone (ah! but I have a hard copy that still runs in Mavericks), and soon my slide show capability and and other capabilities will be lost if I update to Yosemite.
    The iPhoto editor for OSX was never a more than a basic editor, but what it did, it did very well. The iPad interface with iTunes was always clumsy but I lived with it. So now in the name of hyper-compatibility with the All-and-only-Apple world, all that Steve Jobs did is being degraded to a foul tasting goulash.
    I will not lose all that I have done to satisfy Cook's thirst for power. I will not upgrade to Yosemite or the next issue of IOS. I will live with the legacy that Jobs left for me, and when it no longer works, I will switch back to MS now that Balmer is gone. I'm going on 80, so it may never come to that. Oh yes, I'll have to turn off the auto updating feature on all my devices.
    It's Cooks's compamy now, and before Steve Jobs died, he told Tim to not stress about doing what Steve would've done but do what Tim thought would be good for the company.
    qbnkelt likes this.
    11-09-2014 03:34 PM
  24. jmr1015's Avatar
    I remember a few years ago before he died. He was on stage presenting an Apple product or speaking about something, and he said "it just works", and also mentioned how some competitors just make junk that is never easy to use, bug riddled, etc. At the time he was right.

    But now, this is really getting out of control.

    1. Yosemite - Wifi constantly disconnects. This started day 1 of Yosemite, Apple does not acknowledge it, and I have read many complaints about it. I using a high end office connection. Not starbucks. Very close to the router.

    2. Iphone in the same LAN as MAC. iphone rings, so does MAC. Great new feature, however, I answer the call on the iphone, MAC keeps ringing. Sometimes non-stop until I hit decline, and even after the call ended.

    3. iOS 8 on an iphone 5 (speaking for a friend here), very slow, crashes, etc. iPhone 6 and 6+ speaking from my own experience. Often when you tap something, it just doesn't respond. As if you didn't tap it at all. Screen rotation issues (although that seems to have gotten better with 8.1).

    4. Same friend as in #3. He doesn't want to upgrade to a 6/6+ just because of the damn power button that they moved to the side. I can't blame him, it is awful. I can't count how many times I accidentally pressed it when trying to press the volume up button. Also, I have turned up the volume when trying to press the power button. Very annoying.

    5. OSX - Absolutely HORRIBLE handling and usability for multiple monitors/full screen/maximize. Windows has done this right since 3.1.

    I had dinner with a different friend the other day who still has an iphone 5. He asked to see my 6. Then he asked me what is new with it other than the size/dimensions. My answer was "uuuuuhhhhhh, Apple Pay". He said "what else?". Well my answer was "nothing really, better camera and CPU?".
    Really, nothing new. I am really getting frustrated lately with Apple products. I used to buy into the whole Apple fantasy, but I think it died with Jobs. I am not looking to switch to a Galaxy or to Windows, but it is getting really hard to keep saying that Apple's products are superior.
    First off, if you are buying Apple products to say that they are superior or loaded with the newest features, you may be buying the wrong device for your wants. All that should matter, is that it is a superior device for your needs. What features other phones have should not matter, unless those are features you want or need.

    For your friend who wants to know what is different between your new iPhone 6 and his iPhone 5? A few things to start with would be: New iSight camera with True Tone dual flash. TouchID. Second generation A8 64-bit processor. M8 motion co-processor. Apple Pay.

    1. Yosemite - Wifi constantly disconnects. I am running OS X Yosemite on my 2009 MacBook Pro with no such issues with WiFi. Connection stays strong with my home router, even if I am in the garage working on my car.

    2. Iphone in the same LAN as MAC. iphone rings, so does MAC, I answer the call on the iphone, MAC keeps ringing. Sometimes non-stop until I hit decline, and even after the call ended. I have not used this feature, so I can not comment on it.

    3. iOS 8 on an iphone 5, very slow, crashes, etc. I am running iOS 8.1 on my iPhone 5S with no major issues to speak of. Some lag here and there in Safari. An issue with calendar view in the notifications center (which has resolved itself somehow) my girlfriend was running iOS 8 on her iPhone 5 with no issues, before upgrading to the iPhone 6. Her iPhone 6 has been largely problem free. She has the occasional issue with her in-car Bluetooth disconnecting.

    4. the damn power button that they moved to the side. I accidentally pressed it when trying to press the volume up button. Also, I have turned up the volume when trying to press the power button. This is largely a personal preference and subject to muscle memory and habit. Having owned a Nexus 4 with the power button on the side, I do not see the new location of the power button on the iPhone 6 being a problem for me personally. Give it time. You will adjust to it.

    5. OSX - Absolutely HORRIBLE handling and usability for multiple monitors/full screen/maximize. Windows has done this right since 3.1. Again, I have never used this feature with my MacBook. So I cannot really comment on it.
    11-09-2014 07:39 PM
  25. Ledsteplin's Avatar
    Most smartphones of all platforms have reached a point of not much new in hardware. It's mostly the software now.


    Sent from my ancient but trustworthy iPhone 5.
    11-09-2014 08:39 PM
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