1. boeingrules's Avatar
    I'm totally lost about what point are you trying to make. Android has much higher market share than Apple in unit terms - Apple is indeed "losing market share" at the moment. Are you claiming that isn't the case? And if Android phones are cheaper than Apple's, how is that a bad thing? It's a major reason why I bought an Android phone rather than an iPhone. However, I don't think anyone with more than half a brain thinks that Apple is dying at the present time and they make very fine profits.

    Please can you explain what injustice you feel is being done against Apple?
    Yes, Apple is loosing market share when compared to total OS numbers. However, these total numbers don't really reflect on Apple's performance as a company. Their market share is only slipping because of a growing market for low to mid end phones, markets that Apple does not compete in.

    Apple completely and unwaveringly dominates in the high end sector with an 80% market share. Since this is the only market they compete in, why should unrelated numbers from other markets be brought into consideration when looking at Apple's performance? Why should phones that are not in any way competing with the iPhone (due to price point) be included into data that does imply competition against the iPhone? Why should an OS used by a single company and ten products be compared to an OS used by tens of companies and thousands of models?
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    08-21-2014 12:36 PM
  2. cbobb123's Avatar
    To put it simplyyou can't lose market share in a market you never participated in.
    Yes you can...
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    08-21-2014 01:14 PM
  3. warcraftWidow's Avatar
    Yes you can...
    It's impossible to have a market share of < 0. Therefore it is impossible for Apple to lose market share in a market it has never participated in.
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    08-21-2014 01:16 PM
  4. Ry's Avatar
    Apple makes money selling hardware, apps, and media.
    Google makes money by getting your info.

    The strategies for both of these companies is very different, yet they compete in the same space. Sheer volume of devices, yes - Apple is losing. There are more Android devices than iOS devices.

    It doesn't matter though. Apple is still making money hand over fist. Apple is still sitting on billions.
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    08-21-2014 01:45 PM
  5. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    Yes you can...
    Wha? Please, do explain.
    08-21-2014 02:59 PM
  6. cbobb123's Avatar
    Wha? Please, do explain.
    We are comparing the overall market share, not just the market share of high end phones.
    08-21-2014 03:37 PM
  7. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    We are comparing the overall market share, not just the market share of high end phones.
    Did you read the original post?
    08-21-2014 04:08 PM
  8. cbobb123's Avatar
    Did you read the original post?
    Yep
    08-21-2014 04:14 PM
  9. AAA1337's Avatar
    We are comparing the overall market share, not just the market share of high end phones.
    Which is in fact, a fallacy. Even if you do compare them, it does not reflect on the company's actual business success. At best, it just reflects the difference in policies between Apple and other smartphone makers. At worst, it could imply that Apple and Samsung together have such a dominance in the high end, all other phones are forced to cater to entry-level consumers to even compete.

    If you're trying to compare business policies, sure, it makes sense to compare overall marketshares. But the OP is specifically talking about the trolls and haters who say "Apple is getting decimated by Android in sales". This thread is simply a retort to their argument, where if you compare individual phone sales instead of their fundamentally different business approaches, the iPhone 5S is by far the most dominant phone in the market Apple is aiming for, even though it's 11 months old and about to become "old news" soon.

    EDIT: This is addressed to everyone, not just the one I'm quoting. Is there any graphs or charts that compare the marketshares only in the premium phones sector? Like, maybe comparing the HTC One M8, SGS5, SG Note 5, LG G3, and the iPhone 5S? (add in any phones I missed) I'm curious to see an Android versus iOS chart and see how Apple holds up against all the premium Android makers combined (I know they already beat all individual manufacturers by a huge margin so yeah).
    08-21-2014 04:37 PM
  10. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    Yep
    Then you might consider trying to read it again. He wasn't talking about overall market share. The subject of this thread was never that of overall market share.
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    08-21-2014 05:42 PM
  11. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    Yep
    Some how I doubt it.
    08-21-2014 05:44 PM
  12. anony_mouse's Avatar
    Then you might consider trying to read it again. He wasn't talking about overall market share. The subject of this thread was never that of overall market share.
    So, gosh, what to make of this thread now. We all agree that Android dominates the smart phone market in unit terms, and that Apple continues to do well in the high end (although I find the claim of 80% high end market share rather extreme). And Apple continues to make very good profits.

    I suspect that the likes of SeanHRCC (*) and Karenkcoulter are trying to prove that "Apple RuLeZ" and "Android SuX". In which case, fine. They can pick the figures that most flatter their favourite company - which seems to be unit market share in smart phones above $200. Over at Android Central I'm sure they will pick different numbers (probably unit market share in smart phones overall) and also make themselves happy. And pity the poor souls at Windows Phone Central and the Blackberry forum (whatever it's called) because they have no nice numbers to call their own.

    My point is that such selective reading of numbers to support some not-defined criteria for which large American corporation "rUleZ" is rather ridiculous.

    (*) SeanHRCC is a person who quotes Jeremy Clarkson in her/his signature.
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    08-21-2014 06:09 PM
  13. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    I don't think Android devices suck...in fact, I had one for several years as a work phone, and while I didn't prefer it vs. my personal iPhone, it didn't suck. I actually find many of the higher end Android based devices to be pretty nice, and have some cool features I wish would some how port over to the iPhone (albeit in a more polished form). So to that I must retort with no, your suspicion (like pretty much all of your insinuations) have been 100% wrong.

    As a stock holder, I always want Apple to do well...so yes, I do take a personal interest in their numbers (and haven't worried about profit off my shares since the day I bought them...it's interesting watching the roller coaster over the years)...personally though, I could care less who sells what as long as the phone that I prefer is available for me to buy...where you continue to get this thread wrong is in the fact that I'm some how calling Android a lesser product (even as an OS) than the iPhone/iOS. Not at all...they do have their fair share of great products, they just make most of their money (they being Google) on low end, bottom tier phones under $200...and all I was saying was that Apple doesn't worry about that market (obvious from their lack of contention in it)...that and anyone who truly tries to argue marketshare numbers as a whole vs. Apple's singular product is a dimwit.

    And I proudly use quotes from Jeremy Clarkson in my signature...he's a fantastic entertainer on television, he shares many of the same automotive opinions that I do myself, and above all else, he's pretty damn funny. I suppose you probably feel he's racist and should be removed from BBC...not surprising at all given your contributions to this discussion to this point.

    You know what's really ridiculous though? A troll that doesn't even bother to address the topic appropriately...we've had better trolls than you, and we'll have better ones in the future. So far you've been disappointing in that regard.
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    08-21-2014 06:18 PM
  14. cbobb123's Avatar
    Then you might consider trying to read it again. He wasn't talking about overall market share. The subject of this thread was never that of overall market share.
    Which is why this thread is pointless. Regardless of how many mid range smart phones Android are selling, they still have 90% market share. Proving that Apple sells more high end handsets does not change that.
    08-21-2014 06:21 PM
  15. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    Which is why this thread is pointless. Regardless of how many mid range smart phones Android are selling, they still have 90% market share. Proving that Apple sells more high end handsets does not change that.
    You've completely missed the point of the thread, that does not mean the thread is pointless...it just means you don't understand it (or refuse to understand it, in either case the end result is the same). The point (once again, for the umpteenth time) is the fact that people love to find things to trash Apple about...whether it be a niche feature they don't jump on early, or in more common cases, the fact that they are losing "marketshare" and should be "concerned"...concerned over a market they don't even participate in (which is low tier, entry level cellular phones)? It's asinine, and I used the link in the original post to define this.

    Hopefully you can walk away with this with a bit more clarity...but if not, simply walking away would suffice too.
    08-21-2014 06:40 PM
  16. anony_mouse's Avatar
    As a stock holder, I always want Apple to do well...so yes, I do take a personal interest in their numbers (and haven't worried about profit off my shares since the day I bought them...it's interesting watching the roller coaster over the years)...personally though, I could care less who sells what as long as the phone that I prefer is available for me to buy...where you continue to get this thread wrong is in the fact that I'm some how calling Android a lesser product (even as an OS) than the iPhone/iOS. Not at all...they do have their fair share of great products, they just make most of their money (they being Google) on low end, bottom tier phones under $200...
    Fine, personally I bought an Android phone largely because it was cheap.

    and all I was saying was that Apple doesn't worry about that market (obvious from their lack of contention in it)...that and anyone who truly tries to argue marketshare numbers as a whole vs. Apple's singular product is a dimwit.
    You say "anyone who truly tries to argue marketshare numbers as a whole vs. Apple's singular product is a dimwit". An argument is used to advance a point of view. What point are you trying to make? Market share is a number and a product is a product. You can't argue (for example) "85% is better/worse than an iPhone". That doesn't make any sense.
    If your point is that overall unit market share is not relevant to anything, then I disagree.
    If your point is that overall unit market share is not the only criteria by which to judge Apple, then I agree.
    If your point is something else, please state it.

    And I proudly use quotes from Jeremy Clarkson in my signature...he's a fantastic entertainer on television, he shares many of the same automotive opinions that I do myself, and above all else, he's pretty damn funny. I suppose you probably feel he's racist and should be removed from BBC...not surprising at all given your contributions to this discussion to this point.
    Which contributions of mine do you consider relevant to Jeremy Clarkson's employment by the BBC?

    You know what's really ridiculous though? A troll that doesn't even bother to address the topic appropriately...we've had better trolls than you, and we'll have better ones in the future. So far you've been disappointing in that regard.
    I find it very disrespectful that you continue to call me a troll. I am addressing exactly the topic by trying to get you to explain exactly what the topic is!
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    08-21-2014 06:42 PM
  17. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    I have explained it...numerous times, and in the same way each and every time...you can find it disrespectful all you want, but I'm simply calling a spade a spade.

    If your point is that overall unit market share is not relevant to anything, then I disagree.
    I never said the word "anything", I said it wasn't relevant when trying to judge the condition of a company on the market like Apple vs. the numerous devices on the low end that it doesn't even compete with.

    If your point is that overall unit market share is not the only criteria by which to judge Apple, then I agree.
    You ALMOST got it there, except you worded it in a way so that you intentionally didn't...clever, but a bit obvious. Overall unit marketshare of Android based devices is not a relevant criteria to judge Apple in terms of their status within the market itself. Apple does not make taco shell benders, so we can't say "Man, Apple is really suffering in the taco shell bending market...", and the same can be said about the entry level, low tier cellular phone market.

    Your bleeding heart tone of your comments is what I was referencing in terms of Jeremy Clarkson...assumptive, yes, but it follows in line with the kind of arguments presented by those who oppose him...the kind where major pieces of presented information are omitted to further an argument or agenda. Take that for what it's worth.
    08-21-2014 06:52 PM
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    08-21-2014 06:59 PM
  19. warcraftWidow's Avatar
    I, like Sean, don't think Android sucks. It's just not for me. I'm guessing that if I had to, I'd be reasonably happy with a high end Android phone like the S5 or M8. I probably wouldn't be happy with a $200 Android or $200 iPhone (if it existed) because I think it's impossible to get the quality and workmanship at that price (considering that the bill-of-materials alone on the high end phones is usually $200 or more). So for a firm to make any profit on the $200 phone the quality will certainly suffer.
    And I still believe that it makes no sense to say Apple is losing market share in a market it's never participated in. Can't lose what you've never had.
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    08-21-2014 07:04 PM
  20. warcraftWidow's Avatar
    Markets in which Apple is losing market share:
    Taco shell benders
    IKEA furniture
    Lumber
    Doghouses
    Hotdogs
    Feminine hygiene products
    Nails and lumber
    Condoms
    Underwear
    Laser pointers and other cat toys
    Cookware
    Cereal especially the frosted flake market
    Peanut butter
    Fish tanks
    Board games
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    08-21-2014 07:11 PM
  21. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    Here's some more!

    Sour Cream
    Thong Bikinis
    Bobble Heads
    Collegiate Foam Fingers (really, any foam fingers)
    Park Benches
    Styrofoam Products
    Plastic Ponchos
    Wicker Baskets
    Adirondack Chairs
    Bicycle U-Locks
    Spray on Air Fresheners
    Scented Candles

    ...Apple is really falling behind on these things...they should be concerned.
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    08-21-2014 07:18 PM
  22. warcraftWidow's Avatar
    More markets where Apple is losing market share:
    Beanbags
    Beta fish
    Grape jelly
    Personal lubricants
    Chocolate syrup
    Rope
    Fly swatters
    Bug repellent
    Dairy products, Apple really needs to up their game in the whipped cream market.
    Massaging devices
    Bread makers
    Knives
    08-21-2014 07:23 PM
  23. warcraftWidow's Avatar
    And some more
    WD40
    Duct tape
    Synthetic motor oil
    Solar panels
    Speedo style male swim suits
    Latex clothing
    Leather pants
    Replica katana swords
    Halberds
    Saddles
    08-21-2014 07:30 PM
  24. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    I'm really shocked that Apple has fall to a level where they wouldn't be concerned or focus on any number of these markets as well...

    Sparkling water
    Lawn fertilizer
    Gel based deodorants
    Bologna and various cheeses
    Christmas Lights (this may present a religious conflict with people who do not celebrate Xmas)
    Banana hammocks
    Tube repair kits
    Contractor garbage bags
    Off Road tires
    Synthetic motor oil
    Ice Cream Sandwiches
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    08-21-2014 07:34 PM
  25. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    lol...we both put synthetic motor oil and speedos! Apple is REALLY slippin' if we BOTH came up with those marketshares.
    08-21-2014 07:35 PM
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