1. Derrick4Real's Avatar
    I've been spending the day pouring over information about the OnePlus One android phone. It's going to launch with cutting edge hardware specs, quality build materials, and a respected version of android free of carrier and OEM bloatware -Cyanogen - and get updates directly. It's already being called significantly better than Google's nexus phones by reviewers who have it so far, and will cost less.

    So here's the question. Aside from OS preference or whether you're already invested in android or iOS apps, what incentive is there to buy a $700 iphone , or android for that matter, when they're making this available contract free and unlocked for less than half the price?
    I wouldn't pay $700 for any phone. But my reasons would be. It's appears its 5.5 inches and i'd never buy a phone that big period. I have no trouble signing a contract. It only saves me money if i want to switch carriers. And in the 16 years i've had a cell phone i've had every carrier longer than three years. Contract free and unlocked aren't big selling points to me. it's nice but it's never been a priority. I can also get a iphone for $299 on contract and what do i care, i'm gonna have to pay for service anyways. I'll take a discount on the phone. As of now I don't know if it can be activated on my carrier of choice which will likely be T-Mobile. If i stuck with Sprint i'd be dependent on if it worked on Spark and whatever frequencies they had in the near future because again, i'd likely have it for more than two years if the past is a guide. I didn't know about this phone or company until i read this post so i'd have to be comfortable that if it broke i could easily get warranty service. No expandable memory which is a selling point of going to android. If they shrunk it to 5 inches max it may be in the running. but until then i'd have no chance with me as I actually prefer a smaller phone anyways.


    That said, saying "aside from the OS" to me is like saying other than taste why choose Coke over Pepsi. Its omitting the primary reason for the choice. The OS is largely why I'm buying the device. So I can't put that aside.
    08-13-2014 05:20 AM
  2. Derrick4Real's Avatar
    I'm not disagreeing with any of the above, but I can't help but wonder if those factors are really worth $400 more.
    I wouldn't be spending $400 more. I get that you're talking off contract but to me it doesn't matter cause buying on contract only helps me if i want to leave within two years which I haven't.

    iphone 5s 32 gb. $299 + $80/month * 24 months = $2219 total spent in 2 years.
    If i'm keeping my carrier for more than two year's I'd be an ***** to pay $700 for the same phone. I still have to pay $80 per month. I don't get a discount cause i bought off contract. Shoot they'll likely charge me all the activation fees they normally waive. Some will say but then you can leave early. I'm not gonna leave early

    And for this one plus phone it's $299 for 16 gbs and i'm still gonna have to pay $80/month for service. The only benefit, financially, is if i decide i hate the phone and want to leave early and for me that just means I never should have bought the phone to begin with making all this moot because in that case i'd still have been better buying a different phone.
    08-13-2014 05:33 AM
  3. finn5975's Avatar
    So much bickering in the forums could be alleviated if folks would simply include two words, "for me", when talking about what's better or worse.


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    08-13-2014 06:06 AM
  4. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    I wouldn't be spending $400 more. I get that you're talking off contract but to me it doesn't matter cause buying on contract only helps me if i want to leave within two years which I haven't.

    iphone 5s 32 gb. $299 + $80/month * 24 months = $2219 total spent in 2 years.
    If i'm keeping my carrier for more than two year's I'd be an ***** to pay $700 for the same phone. I still have to pay $80 per month. I don't get a discount cause i bought off contract. Shoot they'll likely charge me all the activation fees they normally waive. Some will say but then you can leave early. I'm not gonna leave early

    And for this one plus phone it's $299 for 16 gbs and i'm still gonna have to pay $80/month for service. The only benefit, financially, is if i decide i hate the phone and want to leave early and for me that just means I never should have bought the phone to begin with making all this moot because in that case i'd still have been better buying a different phone.
    If you don't have any intentions of leaving your carrier and, of course, barring any unforeseen financial crisis, then yeah, buying via subsidy is arguably the best way to purchase.
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    08-13-2014 09:03 AM
  5. anon4757448's Avatar
    Does it really matter how much I'm willing to spend on my phone? What's good for the goose is not necessarily good for the gander right?

    You have your reasons for wanting to spend $300 and I have mine for wanting to spend $700. Silly point to argue if I'm not asking you for the money.

    Just my opinion...




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    08-13-2014 11:09 AM
  6. Flow39's Avatar
    I think of it like this:

    Someone goes and and buys a high end sports car, such as a McLaren. This person has wanted it for a long time, it fits the needs of this person.

    Then, someone else comes along and buys a Corvette. They have wanted this all along as well.

    The Corvette owner then starts to ask why the Mclaren owner spent twice as much on a car that performs just as well. The Corvette owner start telling him things such as, "This car has just as much horsepower and torque and it cost me much less", and "This car does everything yours can do and more".

    Then they decide to race them. Both cars, while having different engines and everything, perform about the same. Even though the Corvette has more horsepower and better specs on paper, the McLaren and it still perform relatively the same.

    The same can be said of the OnePlus One and the iPhone 5s. The 5s, while costing double the price of the OnePlus One, fits the needs of certain people better. Yes, even though on paper the One smokes the 5s in terms of hardware, both phones perform about the same. It all comes down to personal preference: Personally the iPhone does exactly what I want, and is perfect for me. That's whyI pay $700 for a phone compared to $350
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    08-13-2014 12:18 PM
  7. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    I did a bit of research on the phone because I had never heard of it before and wanted to know what the big fuss was about...it seems to have a nice feature set (especially for the cost), but there are some negative marks in comparison with the iPhone 5S, and since that is what Andrew Lima seems to be clamoring for so much, here's a few of them...

    - Limited 4G LTE usage...apparently this phone can only connect to certain high speed networks in the UK (which would almost assuredly carry over the same in the states)...and it's apparently due to the antenna build in the device itself (after reading some of the complaint forums from Vodaphone). iPhone 5S has the capability to connect to any high speed network, and is only limited by the carrier itself in terms of what they allow connection to.

    - Design cues...removable rear panel but no removable battery? What kind of sense does that make? iPhone has a better build quality all around and is a more solid structure with no (pointlessly) removable panels on the entire body.

    - Bigger battery but similar battery performance? Seems weird...since they were trying to really stroke themselves over the better battery than even the most recent Galaxy S and Xperia devices. Apparently the One PlusOne had around the same real world usage numbers as the iPhone 5S and Galaxy S5.

    - Camera is not as good...period. They say the autofocus is extremely lackluster and that the device is more comparable to the Moto X, which consistently scores lower than the iPhone 5 on all camera related functionality. When a review has to qualify the picture quality by saying "Hey, this is a good camera phone for $300.", doesn't bode well for people looking at real hardware competency. It also defines the fact that more MP's does not make a better camera...

    - Lacking security features. I feel this doesn't need elaboration.

    ...I'm sure I could nit pick some more details out of it, but if you wanted some examples of what the iPhone 5 does better than this new device, there's a few for ya. Non-opinionated...taken straight from several unbiased reviews of the device.

    The One PlusOne is cheap...it's also a very capable phone for the price...but in the end, I'd happily pay twice the amount to stick with an iPhone, even a generation old iPhone 5S...and it still all comes down to preference.
    08-13-2014 01:27 PM
  8. HAWK's Avatar
    I did a bit of research on the phone because I had never heard of it before and wanted to know what the big fuss was about...it seems to have a nice feature set (especially for the cost), but there are some negative marks in comparison with the iPhone 5S, and since that is what Andrew Lima seems to be clamoring for so much, here's a few of them...

    - Limited 4G LTE usage...apparently this phone can only connect to certain high speed networks in the UK (which would almost assuredly carry over the same in the states)...and it's apparently due to the antenna build in the device itself (after reading some of the complaint forums from Vodaphone). iPhone 5S has the capability to connect to any high speed network, and is only limited by the carrier itself in terms of what they allow connection to.

    - Design cues...removable rear panel but no removable battery? What kind of sense does that make? iPhone has a better build quality all around and is a more solid structure with no (pointlessly) removable panels on the entire body.

    - Bigger battery but similar battery performance? Seems weird...since they were trying to really stroke themselves over the better battery than even the most recent Galaxy S and Xperia devices. Apparently the One PlusOne had around the same real world usage numbers as the iPhone 5S and Galaxy S5.

    - Camera is not as good...period. They say the autofocus is extremely lackluster and that the device is more comparable to the Moto X, which consistently scores lower than the iPhone 5 on all camera related functionality. When a review has to qualify the picture quality by saying "Hey, this is a good camera phone for $300.", doesn't bode well for people looking at real hardware competency. It also defines the fact that more MP's does not make a better camera...

    - Lacking security features. I feel this doesn't need elaboration.

    ...I'm sure I could nit pick some more details out of it, but if you wanted some examples of what the iPhone 5 does better than this new device, there's a few for ya. Non-opinionated...taken straight from several unbiased reviews of the device.

    The One PlusOne is cheap...it's also a very capable phone for the price...but in the end, I'd happily pay twice the amount to stick with an iPhone, even a generation old iPhone 5S...and it still all comes down to preference.
    Well said.


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    08-13-2014 01:37 PM
  9. the_tech_eater's Avatar
    I did a bit of research on the phone because I had never heard of it before and wanted to know what the big fuss was about...it seems to have a nice feature set (especially for the cost), but there are some negative marks in comparison with the iPhone 5S, and since that is what Andrew Lima seems to be clamoring for so much, here's a few of them...

    - Limited 4G LTE usage...apparently this phone can only connect to certain high speed networks in the UK (which would almost assuredly carry over the same in the states)...and it's apparently due to the antenna build in the device itself (after reading some of the complaint forums from Vodaphone). iPhone 5S has the capability to connect to any high speed network, and is only limited by the carrier itself in terms of what they allow connection to.

    - Design cues...removable rear panel but no removable battery? What kind of sense does that make? iPhone has a better build quality all around and is a more solid structure with no (pointlessly) removable panels on the entire body.

    - Bigger battery but similar battery performance? Seems weird...since they were trying to really stroke themselves over the better battery than even the most recent Galaxy S and Xperia devices. Apparently the One PlusOne had around the same real world usage numbers as the iPhone 5S and Galaxy S5.

    - Camera is not as good...period. They say the autofocus is extremely lackluster and that the device is more comparable to the Moto X, which consistently scores lower than the iPhone 5 on all camera related functionality. When a review has to qualify the picture quality by saying "Hey, this is a good camera phone for $300.", doesn't bode well for people looking at real hardware competency. It also defines the fact that more MP's does not make a better camera...

    - Lacking security features. I feel this doesn't need elaboration.

    ...I'm sure I could nit pick some more details out of it, but if you wanted some examples of what the iPhone 5 does better than this new device, there's a few for ya. Non-opinionated...taken straight from several unbiased reviews of the device.

    The One PlusOne is cheap...it's also a very capable phone for the price...but in the end, I'd happily pay twice the amount to stick with an iPhone, even a generation old iPhone 5S...and it still all comes down to preference.
    Bu but Nokia said that more MP means a better camera...
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    08-13-2014 01:39 PM
  10. HAWK's Avatar
    Bu but Nokia said that more MP means a better camera... http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/08/14/ze3uvy2a.jpg
    Lmfao 😂


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    08-13-2014 01:45 PM
  11. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    The Lumia 1520 has more megapixels than my Canon 5D...must be a better camera, LOL!

    Playing to the common consumer who is wow'ed by superficial numbers. I always get a chuckle out of people's inexplicable attention to megapixels...and it's starting to filter into the world of processors and stuff now too, where people automatically assume that more cores equals a better/faster processor vs. less.
    08-13-2014 02:13 PM
  12. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    The Lumia 1520 has more megapixels than my Canon 5D...must be a better camera, LOL!

    Playing to the common consumer who is wow'ed by superficial numbers. I always get a chuckle out of people's inexplicable attention to megapixels...and it's starting to filter into the world of processors and stuff now too, where people automatically assume that more cores equals a better/faster processor vs. less.
    The pictures I get with my 5S still amaze me. For a smartphone camera it is just really good and it further pushes the argument that good hardware alone doesn't make a smartphone camera good. It's how the software and hardware work together to produce the images they do.
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    08-13-2014 02:26 PM
  13. the_tech_eater's Avatar
    The Lumia 1520 has more megapixels than my Canon 5D...must be a better camera, LOL!

    Playing to the common consumer who is wow'ed by superficial numbers. I always get a chuckle out of people's inexplicable attention to megapixels...and it's starting to filter into the world of processors and stuff now too, where people automatically assume that more cores equals a better/faster processor vs. less.
    LOLZ yeah I hear ya. I was being sarcastic in case you thought I wasn't this whole thing about numbers is really getting on my nerves. Heck, lets all drive 600+ HP semi trucks around!
    08-13-2014 02:27 PM
  14. HAWK's Avatar
    Lenses, shutter speed, flash all play a majority of the role in clean pictures... Mega pixels is huge when you are blowing a picture up to massive sizes.


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    08-13-2014 03:08 PM
  15. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    The thing is, I guarantee my 24MP DSLR will take a better picture, even blown up to WALL size than any camera phone on the planet, regardless of MP specs. One of the Nokia's claims 41MP...I bet I could get a better quality picture at any resolution with most medium grade point and shoots on the market.
    08-14-2014 12:41 AM
  16. Speedygi's Avatar
    One thing I would like to say about the OnePlus One is that the LCD screen isn't as vibrant as the LCD screens on the Nexus 5 or, for that matter, the iPhone 5s. One could see how the screen has compromise written over it to match the price.
    08-14-2014 02:36 AM
  17. Flow39's Avatar
    One thing I would like to say about the OnePlus One is that the LCD screen isn't as vibrant as the LCD screens on the Nexus 5 or, for that matter, the iPhone 5s. One could see how the screen has compromise written over it to match the price.
    Another thing that has probably already been said is that you get what you pay for. You want to pay $350 instead of $700? Okay, you will get to deal with all those thing SeanHRCC talked about. Limited 4g, removable rear but not battery, bigger battery but same performance as the 5s, camera, and the lack of security features. With the 5s, you don't have to face these issues, but you pay the price for that. You get what you pay for
    08-14-2014 12:34 PM
  18. qbnkelt's Avatar
    About the camera debate.....

    My Lumia 1520 Is taking some fantastic shots.

    So does my 5s.

    Just because I love my iPhone I won't deny that my Lumia is also taking some great pics.
    08-14-2014 01:50 PM
  19. the_tech_eater's Avatar
    About the camera debate.....

    My Lumia 1520 Is taking some fantastic shots.

    So does my 5s.

    Just because I love my iPhone I won't deny that my Lumia is also taking some great pics.
    Of course the Lumia line does take great photos, but it's erroneous for a company that SHOULD know better, to lie and say that more MP automatically means better pics.
    08-14-2014 02:26 PM
  20. qbnkelt's Avatar
    Yes, that line is misleading.
    08-14-2014 02:27 PM
  21. kilofoxtrot's Avatar
    ........ a company that SHOULD know better, to lie and say that more MP automatically means better pics.
    I know a lot of HTC One (M8) owners that dont consider that a lie.
    08-14-2014 03:37 PM
  22. Flow39's Avatar
    I know a lot of HTC One (M8) owners that dont consider that a lie.
    For sure. The 4 mp camera on that isn't very good, and in this case, megapixels do matter. However, as you probably know, there is much more than MP count that goes in to making a great camera
    08-14-2014 05:18 PM
  23. Speedygi's Avatar
    Another thing that has probably already been said is that you get what you pay for. You want to pay $350 instead of $700? Okay, you will get to deal with all those thing SeanHRCC talked about. Limited 4g, removable rear but not battery, bigger battery but same performance as the 5s, camera, and the lack of security features. With the 5s, you don't have to face these issues, but you pay the price for that. You get what you pay for
    That's not fully true, you pay at cost for the OnePlus One anyways. Whereas you pay far above cost for the iPhone. The pricing strategy is vastly different.
    08-14-2014 07:01 PM
  24. reeneebob's Avatar
    I've been spending the day pouring over information about the OnePlus One android phone. It's going to launch with cutting edge hardware specs, quality build materials, and a respected version of android free of carrier and OEM bloatware -Cyanogen - and get updates directly. It's already being called significantly better than Google's nexus phones by reviewers who have it so far, and will cost less.

    So here's the question. Aside from OS preference or whether you're already invested in android or iOS apps, what incentive is there to buy a $700 iphone , or android for that matter, when they're making this available contract free and unlocked for less than half the price?
    I owned the OnePlus One for a week. Really good phone. Sold it and went back to my iPhone 5S.

    It's simply too big and the support if there are issues isn't there.
    08-14-2014 10:27 PM
  25. ajl's Avatar
    I owned the OnePlus One for a week. Really good phone. Sold it and went back to my iPhone 5S.

    It's simply too big and the support if there are issues isn't there.
    Ar least you gave it a shot..!
    reeneebob likes this.
    08-14-2014 10:34 PM
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