1. Flow39's Avatar
    I don't think Apple gives any backdoors to any agencies, but I agree that no matter what, you can't be 100% untraceable. Any government can get into it, but at least Apple isn't leaving backdoors open for everyone to get into and steal your information.
    07-26-2014 12:25 AM
  2. Evilguppy's Avatar
    I don't think Apple gives any backdoors to any agencies, but I agree that no matter what, you can't be 100% untraceable. Any government can get into it, but at least Apple isn't leaving backdoors open for everyone to get into and steal your information.
    Like Android?

    Whoa, this thread is depressing, lol.
    I'm glad I got my problem solved, but what I learned about Blackberry is depressing.
    Well, if the NSA can see everywhere, then...

    *drops pants and moons the NSA*

    And may they all go get shtooped by an army of viagra doped gorillas.
    07-26-2014 01:10 AM
  3. Ledsteplin's Avatar
    I'm more concerned with more and more ads than I am with the gov't agencies peeking at me on the throne and seeing my texts to my wife about the grocery list. I'm not gonna like all the new full page ads coming in iOS 8. And iBeacons? GEEEZ!


    Sent from from my ancient but trustworthy iPhone 5
    07-26-2014 02:34 AM
  4. qbnkelt's Avatar
    All the data that can be got is gathered in raw form. Nobody looks at it. Until there is a reason.

    As individuals we are as noteworthy as a fire ant in an ant hill four miles down the road. But when we do something stupid we become as noticeable as the fire ant that bites your leg at a picnic.

    The NSA, CIA, FBI don't know we exist as individuals. We're nothing but raw bits of data and algorithms. Given reason, they can gather all they want or need. And every intelligence agency in every country has the means to do the same. People zero in on the US because of Snowden. News flash.....other countries do the same. You're in London? Look up wherever you are and wave to the surveillance cameras.

    Read up on how countries coordinate with Interpol.

    Sent from my GORGEOUS, AWESOME Gold 64G iPhone 5s via Tapatalk
    Last edited by qbnkelt; 07-26-2014 at 06:35 AM.
    07-26-2014 06:23 AM
  5. the_tech_eater's Avatar
    LOL @ the people who claim there is no security backdoor to personal information.

    Every iPhone Has A Security Backdoor - Forbes

    http://rt.com/usa/175088-apple-backdoor-ios-hope/

    "During Zdziarskis HOPE presentation, Identifying Backdoors, Attack Points and Surveillance Mechanisms in iOS Devices, the researcher revealed that several undocumented forensic services are installed on every new iPhone and iPad, making it easier that ever for a third-party to pull data from those devices in order to compromise a target and take hold of their personal information, including pictures, text messages, voice recordings and more."
    If it's true that apple does, which is highly unlikely, do you really think apple is the only tech company that does?? Larry Page mocked the idea that gmail users want privacy... Do you really think a company with that kind of CEO doesn't give the NSA a backdoor?? And if apple does "give" the NSA a backdoor, I can almost 100% guarantee you that they don't have a choice.
    07-26-2014 09:35 AM
  6. qbnkelt's Avatar
    What i find highly interesting is the concept that something as mundane as a smartphone could deter any government agency from getting what they want.
    If they want information they will get information. Any company in the US will have to comply with subpoenas issued as a result of an investigation. Nobody is immune. This idea that BlackBerry won't turn anything over is nothing more than a fallacy. Look at them buckle under pressure from governments who wanted servers in their countries....
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    07-27-2014 11:49 AM
  7. Premium1's Avatar
    So, after getting my iPad air, Apple, for whatever reason, decided that my Apple ID password was not strong enough. I've never been hacked or anything, but whatever.
    Today I tried to buy music from iTunes.
    Got prompted for my password.
    It refused my entry. (and no, I did not type the wrong one) After 2 attempts, it locked me out of my system.
    I called Apple support.
    Got asked about my security questions, but since those were set up eons ago and I only remembered 1 out of 2, I was asked to give my devices serial numbers to "confirm my identity", which I did. But then they decided they couldn't send me a reset link for 24 hours. "For my own safety", you see.

    And now a 2 minute music purchase is turning into a 24 hour headache.
    I find it ludicrous and asinine that Apple would go through such lengths to protect me from myself while providing the NSA with a wide open back door to access any data they want, without my consent or my knowledge.

    So I got to speak with a supervisor. He promised to call me in 24 hours and help me reset everything on my account and make sure I wouldn't have anymore issues from here on.
    Well, he was nice, and trying to help, and it's really not his fault personally so I'll give it a shot, however, as soon as I have access to my iTunes, I will be retrieving everything and saving it to an external hard drive.

    Because I do expect more problems. And if I'm right, I'm leaving Apple permanently. I will be selling all my Apple products.
    I'm happy with my Blackberry phone, I have no idea what I will get for a laptop, and I will be getting a Passport in september so I can at least have a phablet of some sort.
    Because frankly, if Apple is going to give me such BS to protect me from myself, it's not worth it. I'd rather make do with less and not be forced to jump through hoops for the privilege of getting screwed every 5 minutes.

    Yes, I'm irate, damn it. And thank you for letting me vent.
    But you would be the first one complaining to apple had they made it easy and someone other than you actually got into the device and went buy happy. You can't please everyone. That's why we now have to have all these dumbed down guidelines and refunds for the complainers of the world. Just be glad apple is going to that length for such a small purchase.
    the_tech_eater and Les74 like this.
    07-27-2014 03:19 PM
  8. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    All the data that can be got is gathered in raw form. Nobody looks at it. Until there is a reason.
    "Reason" is a very broad, generic and grey word...the government can look at data collected on you because you DVR a lot of shows with terrorism subject matter just to see if you might be dancing within their rings of relevance. There's no major event or action that has to occur to garner attention...they kind of play in the sandbox as they see fit, and decide what is "reason" in the same fashion.

    Also, this thread is silly, and OP...no offense, but you're incredibly dramatic. Was your frustration warranted? Sure! But why on earth would you just up and stop using (even sell) devices that you actually prefer over something like this? As the old saying goes "Don't throw the baby out with the bath water."...it'd be like receiving an overcooked steak at a restaurant and giving up on steak forever...lol!
    the_tech_eater likes this.
    08-03-2014 10:00 PM
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