1. Evilguppy's Avatar
    And if Apple has given access to someone posing as you who also didn't know the answers to their own security questions and you got nailed with fraudulent activity on your account, you'd be piased at Apple for not protecting you more.

    Sorry, dude, this was on you.
    First, it's Dudette.
    Second, I started with Apple in 2009 with a Macbook, then an iTouch, then on and off with iPhones, then with iPad, and my password was secure: it contained over 8 digits, had upper case letters and numbers, I was never hacked.
    Why Apple suddenly decided I HAD to change my password, I'll never know.
    (this happened recently, shortly after getting my iPad Air)
    Again, I'm pretty sure I typed in the correct one.
    Still, assuming I goofed up, I only got 2 tries before being locked out.
    2 tries.
    So let's agree to disagree, but I do think that is overkill.
    07-25-2014 02:11 PM
  2. warcraftWidow's Avatar
    First, it's Dudette.
    Second, I started with Apple in 2009 with a Macbook, then an iTouch, then on and off with iPhones, then with iPad, and my password was secure: it contained over 8 digits, had upper case letters and numbers, I was never hacked.
    Why Apple suddenly decided I HAD to change my password, I'll never know.
    (this happened recently, shortly after getting my iPad Air)
    Again, I'm pretty sure I typed in the correct one.
    Still, assuming I goofed up, I only got 2 tries before being locked out.
    2 tries.
    So let's agree to disagree, but I do think that is overkill.
    I actually got promoted to change my Apple ID password just last night. I have to do it at least 4 times a year.

    Anyway someone above have you an example of a password manager. There are lots of them (search the forums for more advice), but the two most commonly used seem to be 1Password and DataVault. I don't know about DataVault, but 1Password has an iOS version, Android version, and OS X and Windows versions. They can all sync together they DropBox, icloud (Apple product only obviously) and a local wifi sync between a Mac and iDevice. There's also browser plug-ins for all major browsers to use the app to log into various websites. I use it extensively and only have 1 master password to remember. It stores everything from my passwords (which are all now 16-20 chars with mixed case, numbers, and symbols) to my bank account info, credit cards, kids' SSNs, software licenses, etc and I have access to all of that with one master password. And with iOS 8, they will support accessing the app via TouchId rather than having to enter the master password.
    07-25-2014 02:57 PM
  3. Les74's Avatar
    Yep, I really, REALLY did not want to go back to Apple, that is true.
    And I did, by getting an iPad Air, because when I broke my Note Pro, I found out what it would take for me to get it replaced. With Apple care, it's 80 bucks, no problem there.

    Also, after biting the bullet and purchasing my iPad Air, I did get an unexpected surprise:
    The lousy customer service I had experienced a year or 2 prior, and which had caused me to leave Apple, was greatly improved.
    I got fabulous help to set up my device, I had problems with Apple ID (not password related) and a manager went so far as to do a screen share with me on the phone, which, when implemented, showed him my macbook screen on his monitor, enabled him to put little red arrows in every place that I needed to click, taking me on a visual step by step route to get the problem taken care of.
    It took a while, but it was successful and damn, that was cool.

    Guys... Please continue because with every rebuke I read, I am able to see the cool Apple things I came back for, and that is very useful to me.

    I still hate the over the top security nonsense. To me, it's counter productive.
    But as I've said several times before, there are very cool things about Apple that I need.
    So do I want to leave Apple?
    Again, I'd rather not.
    But if this issue I'm having is going to be a recurring problem, I don't think I have a choice.

    Now the question is:
    Though I will try to reset my password to something I can actually remember (I'm pretty sure I did, even if everyone here tells me otherwise... ) it would be idiotic for me to write it down somewhere, that would defeat the purpose of "security".

    So is there a way to keep passwords secure somewhere where I can access it in case I forget?
    So, how's that Apple paying your mortgage and funding your retirement thing working out for you?
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    07-25-2014 03:12 PM
  4. sting7k's Avatar
    Apple did this because last year a Wired writer had multiple accounts compromised and ultimately lost his Twitter account because Amazon and Apple customer service gave an attacker his information over the phone.
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    07-25-2014 03:13 PM
  5. Evilguppy's Avatar
    Apple did this because last year a Wired writer had multiple accounts compromised and ultimately lost his Twitter account because Amazon and Apple customer service gave an attacker his information over the phone.
    I understand that BUT:

    Let's not forget that 3 Apple techs (including a manager) told me yesterday that I had indeed successfully proven my identity. So if I did that, then why the additional 24 hours?
    Either Apple feels confident that they are indeed talking to the account owner or they don't.
    But don't tell me "Yes, you've established your identity successfully" and then treat me like I did not.
    07-25-2014 03:24 PM
  6. Evilguppy's Avatar
    UPDATE: Apple just emailed me the reset link, I reset my password. But I still need help in resetting my security questions because as luck would have it, the back up email address where they would send it to has been cancelled and deleted months ago when I switched email carriers. So I'm hoping the tech guy can help me with that.
    07-25-2014 03:34 PM
  7. warcraftWidow's Avatar
    Glad you have access to your account again.
    But if you are using two factor auth, there are no security questions. At least there's no way to set them online. When I reset my password last night, I went looking to update them as well, and with 2 factor on, there are no security questions that I could find.
    07-25-2014 04:15 PM
  8. agp101's Avatar
    UPDATE: Apple just emailed me the reset link, I reset my password. But I still need help in resetting my security questions because as luck would have it, the back up email address where they would send it to has been cancelled and deleted months ago when I switched email carriers. So I'm hoping the tech guy can help me with that.
    You need to be more organized and up to date with your credentials (back up email). As you can see, it comes back to bite you in the *** if you're not lol.

    The responsibility is yours really, not Apple's or Google's or whomever. They provide the service, you need to use it correctly.

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    07-25-2014 04:32 PM
  9. Evilguppy's Avatar
    OKAY, soooooo...

    Apple ID password: successfully reset
    Security questions: updated
    Backup email: updated

    I got into iTunes, bought the music I wanted, so far (emphasize "SO FAR") I'm back in cruise mode.

    Phew!!! ... but I still think the whole security thing is overkill. The guy said I shouldn't have anymore problems for here on, let's hope he's right.
    07-25-2014 04:49 PM
  10. Evilguppy's Avatar
    I should add that while I think the security obstacle course is over the top, it's not the only thing that Apple revamped: the customer service is indeed better than say, a year or 2 ago. This whole process was maddening but they did help me solve the problem, which is miles better than when my devices crashed under IOS7.
    07-25-2014 04:53 PM
  11. mjs416's Avatar
    LOL @ the people who claim there is no security backdoor to personal information.

    Every iPhone Has A Security Backdoor - Forbes

    http://rt.com/usa/175088-apple-backdoor-ios-hope/

    "During Zdziarski’s HOPE presentation, “Identifying Backdoors, Attack Points and Surveillance Mechanisms in iOS Devices,” the researcher revealed that several undocumented forensic services are installed on every new iPhone and iPad, making it easier that ever for a third-party to pull data from those devices in order to compromise a target and take hold of their personal information, including pictures, text messages, voice recordings and more."
    07-25-2014 05:10 PM
  12. Evilguppy's Avatar
    LOL @ the people who claim there is no security backdoor to personal information.

    Every iPhone Has A Security Backdoor - Forbes

    http://rt.com/usa/175088-apple-backdoor-ios-hope/

    "During Zdziarski’s HOPE presentation, “Identifying Backdoors, Attack Points and Surveillance Mechanisms in iOS Devices,” the researcher revealed that several undocumented forensic services are installed on every new iPhone and iPad, making it easier that ever for a third-party to pull data from those devices in order to compromise a target and take hold of their personal information, including pictures, text messages, voice recordings and more."
    Yep. And every Apple tech person I mentioned this to got very quiet and none of them denied it.

    That said, I am indeed glad and relieved that my problem could be solved today and that I don't have to leave Apple: Having 3 devices connected does make my life easier.
    Also, should the NSA decide to snoop into my stuff... LOL: they will discover that I think they are a bunch of curtain gawking flaccid no life momma's boys with anal retention issues that scream of having been potty trained at gun point, and they will find evidence of my being a liberal with a strong libertarian streak who lives a completely average life just trying to deal with the fact that our government has become everything it bashed the Soviet Union for during the cold war.
    They would discover that I have really gruesome post surgery pics and more yoga music than any person should have. Ooooooh, fear that. LOL.

    Still. It's the principle. It just bugs me.
    So, IF there ever came a platform that would be as convenient as Apple but with ethics that I could actually respect, I'd probably switch in a heartbeat.

    For now, I'm just happy to put this morass behind me.
    07-25-2014 05:23 PM
  13. agp101's Avatar
    Again, primarily these services are there to thwart other people from taking over your account.

    Posted via iMore App
    07-25-2014 06:33 PM
  14. Ledsteplin's Avatar
    It's like me. I got the 1Password app for Christmas from my wife. I set a master password, but didn't use the app until now. I had my passwords elsewhere. So I decide to finally use it but can't remember the master password and could not find it anywhere. So I just deleted it, reinstalled it and started over. Fortunately it was not full of passwords. Dumb mistakes happen.


    Sent from from my ancient but trustworthy iPhone 5
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    07-25-2014 06:50 PM
  15. warcraftWidow's Avatar
    It's like me. I got the 1Password app for Christmas from my wife. I set a master password, but didn't use the app until now. I had my passwords elsewhere. So I decide to finally use it but can't remember the master password and could not find it anywhere. So I just deleted it, reinstalled it and started over. Fortunately it was not full of passwords. Dumb mistakes happen.


    Sent from from my ancient but trustworthy iPhone 5
    The iOS 8 version of 1Password will allow unlocks via TouchId! I'm in their beta program so I have it now. You can set a varying time limit (up to 30 days) before you have to enter your master password. Of course it has its quirks because it's a beta app running on a beta OS but it seems to work so far.
    07-25-2014 07:34 PM
  16. qbnkelt's Avatar
    LOL @ the people who claim there is no security backdoor to personal information.

    Every iPhone Has A Security Backdoor - Forbes

    http://rt.com/usa/175088-apple-backdoor-ios-hope/

    "During Zdziarski’s HOPE presentation, “Identifying Backdoors, Attack Points and Surveillance Mechanisms in iOS Devices,” the researcher revealed that several undocumented forensic services are installed on every new iPhone and iPad, making it easier that ever for a third-party to pull data from those devices in order to compromise a target and take hold of their personal information, including pictures, text messages, voice recordings and more."
    ANY government that wants to get your information WILL get your information. I don't care if it's the NSA, MI5, or the KGB....they will get it. If anyone lies under the misapprehension that they've got secure locked down privacy, that person is in for a rude awakening. ANY government agency can get down to the brand toothpaste ANY person uses ANYWHERE. And instead of focusing on the NSA, actually, the entity that knows every spending habit and every activity and any pattern is actually not the NSA but the IRS. If ANYONE is under the impression that they can thwart ANY government agency in obtaining their most personal "secrets" that person is living in a fantasy world.

    Oh by the way here is this....

    GCHQ and NSA have reportedly cracked BlackBerry BES encryption

    Does ANYONE *REALLY* think that any government entity will play by the books and not snoop into your files? Anyone really think that they can get away from Big Brother? Folks, the age of secrecy and privacy ended with the advent of the credit card and the ATM and PayPal and computers and internet. Each and everyone of us has got a digital footprint as clearly identifiable as fingerprints

    Seriously....NOBODY is beyond the reach of 'third parties' who have a 'need to know.'
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    07-25-2014 09:19 PM
  17. Evilguppy's Avatar
    I am fully aware that any device/system can be hacked: Angela Merkel found out the hard way. However, every manufacturer does not HAVE to welcome the NSA with an open door, and that's precisely what Apple, Google and Microsoft have done.
    Can my Blackberry be hacked? Of course.
    But if I can help it, I'd rather give my business to a manufacturer that doesn't volunteer to have their customers' information snooped into.
    I feel that for now, Apple is a way better choice than Android (for other reasons: even though you cannot reverse an update with Apple, at least, they don't force updates on you like Android does in some cases) but frankly, if a company started building a system and devices that were as smoothly connected and easy to use as Apple, but with the ethics of Blackberry, I'd jump ship in a heartbeat.
    And no, I'm not holding my breath
    07-25-2014 09:36 PM
  18. qbnkelt's Avatar
    I am fully aware that any device/system can be hacked: Angela Merkel found out the hard way. However, every manufacturer does not HAVE to welcome the NSA with an open door, and that's precisely what Apple, Google and Microsoft have done.
    Can my Blackberry be hacked? Of course.
    But if I can help it, I'd rather give my business to a manufacturer that doesn't volunteer to have their customers' information snooped into.
    I feel that for now, Apple is a way better choice than Android (for other reasons: even though you cannot reverse an update with Apple, at least, they don't force updates on you like Android does in some cases) but frankly, if a company started building a system and devices that were as smoothly connected and easy to use as Apple, but with the ethics of Blackberry, I'd jump ship in a heartbeat.
    And no, I'm not holding my breath
    The "ethical" BlackBerry gave up its customers to government demands in several countries with deplorable human rights records.

    I'm not talking hacking. I'm talking full government surveillance.

    Privacy is a fallacy in our time.

    NOBODY gets out in pristine condition.

    If it's wanted and needed, it's got.

    Sent from my GORGEOUS, AWESOME Gold 64G iPhone 5s via Tapatalk
    07-25-2014 10:05 PM
  19. Evilguppy's Avatar
    The "ethical" BlackBerry gave up its customers to government demands in several countries with deplorable human rights records.

    I'm not talking hacking. I'm talking full government surveillance.

    Privacy is a fallacy in our time.

    NOBODY gets out in pristine condition.

    If it's wanted and needed, it's got.

    Sent from my GORGEOUS, AWESOME Gold 64G iPhone 5s via Tapatalk
    Really? I did not know that. Do you have a link?
    07-25-2014 10:09 PM
  20. qbnkelt's Avatar
    Look up India for one. The information is out there. Research.


    http://www.theguardian.com/technolog...nitored-emails

    http://hackread.com/blackberry-allow...-emails-chats/

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahome...r-service.html

    http://www.fastcompany.com/1694465/r...y-bans-privacy


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    Last edited by qbnkelt; 07-25-2014 at 10:27 PM.
    07-25-2014 10:14 PM
  21. warcraftWidow's Avatar
    Really? I did not know that. Do you have a link?
    I don't have links but at least one of the circumstances was India and the other was in the Middle East, maybe Qatar? The government demanded access to BES and despite Blackberry protesting that it wasn't even technologically feasible to give up the keys they eventually did in order to be able to stay in those markets. This was probably 3-4 years ago.
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    07-25-2014 10:18 PM
  22. Evilguppy's Avatar
    *speechless*

    I had no idea... This sets a disturbing precedent because what would stop the US government to issue Blackberry the very same ultimatum, if they haven't already? Damn. Damn damn damn damn damn. URGH.
    "privacy" should be filed under the fantasy category, seriously. Well, that sucks.
    07-25-2014 10:32 PM
  23. qbnkelt's Avatar
    *speechless*

    I had no idea... This sets a disturbing precedent because what would stop the US government to issue Blackberry the very same ultimatum, if they haven't already? Damn. Damn damn damn damn damn. URGH.
    "privacy" should be filed under the fantasy category, seriously. Well, that sucks.
    Privacy hasn't existed since the digital age took over our lives. Every swipe of the card leaves a trace that can turn into a pattern. Every call every email every text leaves a footprint. ANY government can access it. If one way is harder there is another that is easier. And it WILL be used.

    ONLY exceptions to crack are BES and BBM. But even with BES there is a .pst file in the mail server that can be got through ediscovery.

    The only way to avoid leaving a digital footprint is to go off the grid.

    Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD for iPad
    07-25-2014 10:38 PM
  24. Evilguppy's Avatar
    Privacy hasn't existed since the digital age took over our lives. Every swipe of the card leaves a trace that can turn into a pattern. Every call every email every text leaves a footprint. ANY government can access it. If one way is harder there is another that is easier. And it WILL be used.

    ONLY exceptions to crack are BES and BBM. But even with BES there is a .pst file in the mail server that can be got through ediscovery.

    The only way to avoid leaving a digital footprint is to go off the grid.

    Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD for iPad
    Ok, so privacy is definitely NOT a reason to choose Blackberry... Good thing my Q10 has other perks to offer!
    07-25-2014 10:49 PM
  25. qbnkelt's Avatar
    Ok, so privacy is definitely NOT a reason to choose Blackberry... Good thing my Q10 has other perks to offer!
    There was a time under BIS that it was more difficult. BBM is nearly impenetrable. BES also but there are those pesky .pst files sitting on the *mail* server. PIN to PIN offers no privacy at all.

    BlackBerry has good points. I've got a Q10 too. But there are no white hats/black hats. Everybody wears gray.

    As far as OS vulnerabilities, Blackberry is not immune either.


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    07-25-2014 10:55 PM
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