1. RavenSword's Avatar
    I'm curious. Do you approve of the NSA program that was a tad bit controversial?

    As the NSA acquired information from corporations, including both Google and Apple, it's interesting to me that some are alright with Google but are upset with the NSA. After all, people willingly give away the information so that Google can monetize your information. If the NSA's actions are "creepy," wouldn't monetizing your information be just as creepy? If Google isn't creepy, why would anyone worry about the NSA?
    Google dosent have governmental power and authority. It's apples and oranges.
    03-26-2014 12:49 AM
  2. phonejunky's Avatar
    Google dosent have governmental power and authority. It's apples and oranges.
    Yes but Google does help the government with this treasure trove of information they possess.
    03-26-2014 12:55 AM
  3. RavenSword's Avatar
    Yes but Google does help the government with this treasure trove of information they possess.
    Says who? Far as I heard the NSA got info from Google without their consent by doing a back door tap.
    03-26-2014 02:59 AM
  4. phonejunky's Avatar
    Says who? Far as I heard the NSA got info from Google without their consent by doing a back door tap.
    I mean you can believe that if you want. Google is a business they have to protect themselves from losing business and there image being all free and open. Google helps the NSA that's a fact.
    03-26-2014 03:11 AM
  5. koerk's Avatar
    Has anyone seen the Terminator films? Google and IBM's supercomputer Watson will become SkyNet. A learning computer (Watson) that is tied into everything (Google) becomes fully self-aware (SkyNet). The controversial use of drones today is realized in the Terminator film with the use of HK-Drone. Google has purchased Boston Dynamics (CyberDyne Systems) who has produced the most humanlike robot called "Petman" (Terminator).

    Yes. Google is creepy. hahahaha
    Not as far fetched as we might think :-/


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    03-26-2014 04:36 AM
  6. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    If Google isn't creepy, why would anyone worry about the NSA?
    It's specific to the type of information that is available to Google at a whim vs. the NSA. There's simply no comparison there...Google, while quite far reaching, is not getting to the level of information that the NSA is privy to if they want to be. Google primarily focuses on advertising and money...if they're making a dime, that is where their focus is. NSA is focused on the entire SPECTRUM of information that you have ever put online, and that is creepy as hell. We're not talking your purchase trends online...we're talking every little detail of information you've ever shared, applied for, uploaded, downloaded, commented on, etc...your entire e-life. It's accumulated to an absolutely ridiculous point...and used in whatever fashion they see fit.

    Imagine it kind of like this...think of a person who knows you the best and has known you that way the longest. The details they can recall, the traits they know you have and the history that person can recall about you. Now think about a co-worker or neighbor that has met you a few times and might see you a couple of times per week. The first person is not even on the level of the NSA...the second person is Google.
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    03-26-2014 08:16 AM
  7. RavenSword's Avatar
    I mean you can believe that if you want. Google is a business they have to protect themselves from losing business and there image being all free and open. Google helps the NSA that's a fact.
    I believe it because I like dealing in facts, not wild speculation.
    03-26-2014 04:55 PM
  8. Speedygi's Avatar
    I mean you can believe that if you want. Google is a business they have to protect themselves from losing business and there image being all free and open. Google helps the NSA that's a fact.
    They are protecting their own business, but our information and what they do with it is another matter altogether...I don't actually like analytics and I don't like that Google knows more about me than my relatives know sometimes.

    But they run a good search engine and services and I will keep using them.
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    03-27-2014 01:42 AM
  9. sting7k's Avatar
    I find it just about equally creepy and cool. It's really cool when I am looking at a location on maps to get a general idea of where I'm going. Then when I get in my car and pull up maps on my phone that location is instantly there and I don't have to search again. It felt it was a little creepy a few months ago. A friend was coming to visit and had emailed me his flight info several weeks ahead of time. As I was leaving for the airport to pick him up Google Now was displaying his flight information, kind of creepy...but at the same time...pretty cool.
    03-27-2014 08:33 AM
  10. mulasien's Avatar
    I mean you can believe that if you want. Google is a business they have to protect themselves from losing business and there image being all free and open. Google helps the NSA that's a fact.
    Saying that something is a 'fact' means that you have a source to actually back that up. I can say 'the sky is green, and that's a fact', but that doesn't actually make it a fact.

    So, do you have a source factually proving that Google is actively helping the NSA, or is this 'fact' just speculation?
    03-27-2014 09:35 AM
  11. Amamba's Avatar
    I'm curious. Do you approve of the NSA program that was a tad bit controversial?

    As the NSA acquired information from corporations, including both Google and Apple, it's interesting to me that some are alright with Google but are upset with the NSA. After all, people willingly give away the information so that Google can monetize your information. If the NSA's actions are "creepy," wouldn't monetizing your information be just as creepy? If Google isn't creepy, why would anyone worry about the NSA?
    My two cents...

    1) Governments should be held to the higher standards than corporations, corporations don't have a standing army, police, and prosecutorial powers, and generally don't want to dictate how you live your life, they just want your money, preferably all of it

    2) I do find Google data collecting overreaching.

    3) From what I understand, MS and Apple are equally guilty of browsing through user files on OneDrive and iCloud and taking action when they think they found questionable content, there was a story about a person having his MS account suspended because of something he had in a private directory not shared with anyone. I read that Apple monitors files on iCloud as well.

    4) NSA spying is out of control, however that's just the tip of the iceberg. China has been spying on a scale that makes NSA look like a bunch of preschoolers, and they started far before 911. Other countries / govts / corporations are complicit as well, we just don't understand the full extent. Do you really know what hidden firmware code may exist in every single piece of hardware assembled in China from components produced God knows where that route your data from your home to servers ? Do you think Brits were paranoid when they blocked Huaiwei from a major telecom contract ? How about your Lenovo notebook ? Or your Linux system full of code contributed by independent developers sitting all over the world ?

    You may have some level of protection on your personal computer, at least from a common criminal. You have zero level of protection exchanging data on the net. Use SSL and encrypt all important info on your system, and assume everything else will be seen by someone.

    And to add...

    Do you realize that your cell phone provides your accurate location to the system at all times (assuming you have it with you). So anyone with access to your cell phone company's servers will know where you were at any given time.

    Did you hear about the new developments in crime fighting ? A drone or helo is hovering above a large area taking hi res photos every xx seconds, for the entire day, every day. So if there's a crime, all they need to do is trace the perpetrators back to wherever they came from. Now think what kind of power having 30 years of that data will provide - your every step outside of your house, your entire life can be retraced.

    We live in a wholly different world, it's not just about Google or NSA, this needs to be dealt with on constitutional level.
    Last edited by Amamba; 03-27-2014 at 12:13 PM.
    03-27-2014 11:55 AM
  12. HAWK's Avatar
    Honestly the internet has never been "private". Firstly google isn't "getting" creepy they have always been able to know what you search, where you search from, how long you spend on websites and so on and so forth. The reason why isn't to be invading you privacy, but to cover their own a** should anything become illegal or whatever the case may be. There is a large database of things that people can search on google and let's face it some people use it for the wrong things, it protects themselves against those people. As for adding the features of google now they just are using a tactic they have had the whole time and letting the user feel like it's a perk


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    03-27-2014 09:34 PM
  13. rayz336's Avatar
    I like Google and their services.
    03-27-2014 11:05 PM
  14. iOS Gravity's Avatar
    The Government already has all of your information anyway. Your social security number, bank info, etc. Other countries having that info is a whole other story.
    03-29-2014 08:16 PM
  15. iOS Gravity's Avatar
    Why we're you thinking of switching to Microsoft? Are there services even as good as googles?
    Its my choice. I can still use Google's services if I want to. I only use Hangouts, email, Google Play, and Google Drive. I can make a hangouts account using a non Google account. I will use Outlook for email and Office online as a replacement for drive.
    03-29-2014 08:22 PM
  16. Totalimmortal363's Avatar
    I do to be honest. I just moved into a home in Denver and I really want a Nest thermostat, but I'm wrestling with Google owning them. Regardless of what's on the Nest site, Google has a bad track record on dishonest data collection practices.
    03-29-2014 08:29 PM
  17. RavenSword's Avatar
    Its my choice. I can still use Google's services if I want to. I only use Hangouts, email, Google Play, and Google Drive. I can make a hangouts account using a non Google account. I will use Outlook for email and Office online as a replacement for drive.
    Wasn't discounting your choice. Was merely curious if you found the services better than Google. Wasn't judging or anything
    03-30-2014 01:34 AM
  18. ajl's Avatar
    I don't find it creepy at all. I know they aren't using my data for anything malicious, and I've got nothing to hide.
    03-30-2014 12:13 PM
  19. RavenSword's Avatar
    I'll use a example of the girl from venture beat who decided to quit the entire internet because of paranoia about her identity being compromised or whatever. It was such a over exaggerated reaction. Oh, and she has since rejoined the internet, so I guess it didn't last long.

    Really, I think a lot of people should stop going straight to the doom watch and just relax. Everyone's just assuming their identities are being stolen, sold, and prostituted out. And it's ridiculous quite frankly.

    Call me naive, but I would like, you know, evidence that these company's are doing this before i just go to complete paranoia.
    Last edited by RavenSword; 03-31-2014 at 01:12 AM.
    03-31-2014 01:00 AM
  20. Haalcyon's Avatar
    'Creepy'? No.


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    03-31-2014 07:47 AM
  21. petalmasher's Avatar
    It's creepy because of how much it knows about you. As someone who used androids before getting a company IPhone, I am hooked on their services and have been for a long time, so they have quite a bit of info on me. I know that just about all companies are collecting information, but Google throws it back at you. When I open google now it knows just what kinds of news stories I want to see, what products I'm on the market for, where I work and how long my commute is, what time my favorite sports teams are playing. It's all very convenient, but I can see why it might cross the line into somewhat creepy territory. Google is like the stalker you never knew you wanted.
    04-02-2014 02:55 PM
  22. Haalcyon's Avatar
    It's creepy because of how much it knows about you. As someone who used androids before getting a company IPhone, I am hooked on their services and have been for a long time, so they have quite a bit of info on me. I know that just about all companies are collecting information, but Google throws it back at you. When I open google now it knows just what kinds of news stories I want to see, what products I'm on the market for, where I work and how long my commute is, what time my favorite sports teams are playing. It's all very convenient, but I can see why it might cross the line into somewhat creepy territory. Google is like the stalker you never knew you wanted.
    Stalkers can be good. Especially, if they have a nice phone.


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    04-02-2014 03:10 PM
  23. applejosh's Avatar
    I don't know if I'd describe it as creepy, but it is kind of disconcerting the amount of information they collect about users who sign up for their services. I understand it's the cost of doing business (using their services), so I generally try to at least be aware of what I say/do when using their services. I think they've done a wonderful job with their online services (for the most part), and the price of being able to use them is giving up information about myself. I have been making a conscious effort to use my iCloud account for more things lately (email, docs, contacts, etc.) as I feel Apple's iCloud is a more "private" place to keep those types of things. Apple's main business is selling devices and services and not so much targeting ads based on my browsing habits. That said, anything that goes on the Internet has the potential for being used for purposes of which you may not be aware. You just have to be careful with the information you upload.
    04-02-2014 06:32 PM
  24. anon4757448's Avatar
    Not at all


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    04-02-2014 06:42 PM
  25. Ledsteplin's Avatar
    I do worry about the increasing invasiveness of Google. But they are good at what they do. I do like my Gmail and YouTube, although YouTube has gotten bad. I use the app Jasmine for YouTube videos. Jasmine leaves out the BS.


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    04-02-2014 07:02 PM
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