1. RavenSword's Avatar
    This is something I think about whenever somebody complains about googles privacy policy's and them scanning emails and such. Really , did anyone really believe that privacy even exists anymore? We have phones with cameras, wrist watches with cameras, and we freely and happily post our lives on social media. So why are people so outraged by googles privacy concerns? Really, they haven't done anything for anyone to not trust them. There not selling your data to anybody , there just targeted ads. And they give you a lot if value for your info.

    So really, I don't understand how we can be concerned about something (privacy) that really dosent exist anymore.
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    03-20-2014 04:18 AM
  2. Kashan Osama's Avatar
    This is something I think about whenever somebody complains about googles privacy policy's and them scanning emails and such. Really , did anyone really believe that privacy even exists anymore? We have phones with cameras, wrist watches with cameras, and we freely and happily post our lives on social media. So why are people so outraged by googles privacy concerns? Really, they haven't done anything for anyone to not trust them. There not selling your data to anybody , there just targeted ads. And they give you a lot if value for your info.

    So really, I don't understand how we can be concerned about something (privacy) that really dosent exist anymore.

    ^THIS....


    those people have become cynical
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    03-20-2014 05:55 AM
  3. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    Just because we as a whole have allowed government and other entities to erode our right to privacy and other freedoms by being enticed by the lure of something for free doesn't mean that we should just bend over and take it. As for Google, they have clearly stated, as of late, their objective in regard to using their devices and services to to garner revenue through the use of targeted ads. I don't have a problem with that in and of itself. The problem I have lies with people who assume that they are not giving up something in return for Google's free services. Furthermore, although Google has control over the content pushed to your device, they do not control the manner in which the ad companies use the information gathered from your device, in my opinion. Still, some people don't have a problem with it, especially the younger generation who, as you've stated, post their entire lives online for the world to see. Anyway, great post, and I appreciate you starting the conversation. Take care....
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    03-20-2014 09:35 AM
  4. Jaguarr40's Avatar
    I myself believe that Google does target info for advertising purposes mainly because the money comes from ads and companies that want to be associated so I agree with the OP/ As far as scanning your email I always went under the old saying that if you don't want someone to know or see something then don't put it in writing and Google can't scan it and if it has to be email send by way of another email. We almost all nowadays have more than 1 email acct at our disposal.
    03-20-2014 10:40 AM
  5. RavenSword's Avatar
    Just because we as a whole have allowed government and other entities to erode our right to privacy and other freedoms by being enticed by the lure of something for free doesn't mean that we should just bend over and take it. As for Google, they have clearly stated, as of late, their objective in regard to using their devices and services to to garner revenue through the use of targeted ads. I don't have a problem with that in and of itself. The problem I have lies with people who assume that they are not giving up something in return for Google's free services. Furthermore, although Google has control over the content pushed to your device, they do not control the manner in which the ad companies use the information gathered from your device, in my opinion. Still, some people don't have a problem with it, especially the younger generation who, as you've stated, post their entire lives online for the world to see. Anyway, great post, and I appreciate you starting the conversation. Take care....
    Yeah, great points

    Personally, I find the services that they offer me to be worth whatever information they gather about my shopping habits or my commute. I honestly don't do anything that I would be nervous about being out there, so it's not really a concern for me. Especially if they use that data to improve my life with services like google now, maps , gmail, and etc.

    And yeah, I could use services like bing, outlook.com, or whatever Microsoft has that they state they don't use your info for anything (even though they monitor what you store in one drive ), but those services I don't believe are as good as there google counterparts are they?
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    03-20-2014 10:44 AM
  6. sting7k's Avatar
    Just because we as a whole have allowed government and other entities to erode our right to privacy and other freedoms by being enticed by the lure of something for free doesn't mean that we should just bend over and take it.
    Which specific right has the Government taken away from you? I never understand what anyone means when they make statements like that. I don't feel I have any fewer rights today than I did yesterday, last month, last year, 4 years ago or 15 years ago.

    I don't believe privacy is an illusion. I believe that your privacy is YOUR responsibility and YOURS alone. If you don't want Google scanning your emails for ads then don't use Gmail; use another service. If you don't want Facebook potentially using your photos then don't post photos on Facebook. Read their terms of service. IMO the privacy "issues" are created by a complete lack of knowledge and understanding of the technology people are using. The vast majority of people don't even know what Google's business model is or how they make money.

    IMO it's a lack of knowledge and lack of responsibility. Governments have been spying on electronic communications for decades and decades and decades and decades. Technology has just made it easier for them to do it. We play right into their hands by using it. They will not stop. Ever. Take responsibility for yourself.
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    03-20-2014 12:16 PM
  7. RavenSword's Avatar
    Which specific right has the Government taken away from you? I never understand what anyone means when they make statements like that. I don't feel I have any fewer rights today than I did yesterday, last month, last year, 4 years ago or 15 years ago.

    I don't believe privacy is an illusion. I believe that your privacy is YOUR responsibility and YOURS alone. If you don't want Google scanning your emails for ads then don't use Gmail; use another service. If you don't want Facebook potentially using your photos then don't post photos on Facebook. Read their terms of service. IMO the privacy "issues" are created by a complete lack of knowledge and understanding of the technology people are using. The vast majority of people don't even know what Google's business model is or how they make money.

    IMO it's a lack of knowledge and lack of responsibility. Governments have been spying on electronic communications for decades and decades and decades and decades. Technology has just made it easier for them to do it. We play right into their hands by using it. They will not stop. Ever. Take responsibility for yourself.
    Exactly. Consumers need to be more educated. But I also think that everyone shouldn't automatically jump on the hate train for google. Again, they haven't done anything to really cause us to not trust that they value our dates security. They aren't selling our data to the highest bidder. They are merely using the data to further improve there services. I think the only info that they give to third party's is shopping habits, but maybe they don't even do that. I think they just choose the ads themselves, no? Not giving things to third party's themselves.

    Honestly, I think it's a fair trade. And it irritates me when people I listen to on podcasts just assume that Google is nefarious/creepy. It seems very short sighted and old timer thinking.
    03-20-2014 01:13 PM
  8. Haalcyon's Avatar
    I do not believe we really have any privacy and tell my friends and family to keep that in mind when they're online. If you want the BEST CHANCE of privacy you pretty much need to not use the internet. Ever.

    It doesn't bother me too much because 1) It's the reality and 2) I'm not doing anything online that I'm concerned about being public or shared with big-brother, etc. Heck, I won't even use my work computer or internet to access these forums.


    via the tablet
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    03-20-2014 02:28 PM
  9. Kashan Osama's Avatar
    to me it is like,"I and my Online-given information is not worthy so that google/NSA/agencies might look for it",may it be my bank statements (Just saying that for Myself)....And I think most of us live a life like that...
    03-20-2014 03:08 PM
  10. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    If you think privacy doesn't exist now...just wait, lol. We're actually in the last days of privacy, the end of a golden era if you will. In the future, everything you do online will be monitored, and it will be done in a way where no matter how small the infraction, it will be enforced upon you or, at the very least, notated for future relevancy. Right now, electronic crime is something that is easy to get away with (from pirating to identity fraud to espionage and everything in between)...and because it is so easy to get away with and seems like such a "victimless" crime because you never actually see or meet who it directly effects, people of all sorts do it, from children to elderly grandparents. This is not something you see anywhere outside the internet (at least not at that frequency).

    I can go online today, download a movie illegally and there's a 99.9999% chance that nothing will ever happen to me for it. This will not be possible very soon.

    We are about a half a step from full blown exposure on the internet. Eventually (here in the U.S.) the government will get all the bills it needs to pass passed to where they don't have to hide anything about watching you, and your internet usage, and your phone calls, and everything they want to know...I mean they do it now, but at that point, you'll know it's being done.

    Enjoy what we have right now...it is not long for this world.
    03-20-2014 03:14 PM
  11. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    Which specific right has the Government taken away from you? I never understand what anyone means when they make statements like that. I don't feel I have any fewer rights today than I did yesterday, last month, last year, 4 years ago or 15 years ago.
    I said "erode", as in gradually fade away. Right to bear arms, Private property rights, free speech, to name a few. Everyone cannot own a gun, there's certain places you cannot carry a gun, and it's becoming harder to even buy one "legally". As for property rights, park your car on your lawn and see what happens (not all places, of course). Paint your house in rainbow colors and see what happens. Free speech? Do I need to even give examples?

    I don't believe privacy is an illusion. I believe that your privacy is YOUR responsibility and YOURS alone.
    I agree to a point, but why do I have to provide pertinent private information to the government via the census? Why do I have to provide all sorts of personal information to get a loan to buy a house, car or other major purchase? How can I protect it when it is demanded of me to get things I need? Once they have it, they can sell it to others. Technically, I gave them permission (wink wink) but I would not have been permitted to get the things I need without providing pertinent personal information and agreeing to the terms & conditions which include giving them the right to provide my information to other parties.
    If you don't want Google scanning your emails for ads then don't use Gmail; use another service. If you don't want Facebook potentially using your photos then don't post photos on Facebook. Read their terms of service. IMO the privacy "issues" are created by a complete lack of knowledge and understanding of the technology people are using.
    You are spot-on in that regard...
    The vast majority of people don't even know what Google's business model is or how they make money.
    Once again, we're in agreement

    IMO it's a lack of knowledge and lack of responsibility.
    Yes and partially yes.
    Governments have been spying on electronic communications for decades and decades and decades and decades. Technology has just made it easier for them to do it.
    So where is our right to privacy?
    We play right into their hands by using it. They will not stop. Ever.
    So my rights, in this regard, have indeed eroded to the point of being basically nonexistent.
    Take responsibility for yourself.
    Okay, how can I keep the government from spying on me while also being able to use today's technology?
    03-20-2014 04:03 PM
  12. Haalcyon's Avatar
    I know this is an unpopular sentiment but it is how I feel. If you don't like the rules and laws of your country work to change them and if you can't do that you should be allowed to leave and find another home elsewhere you find preferable. I am not worked up over the privacy because I don't see the benefit of getting worked up about it. I don't view porn, pirate movies, etc. and if I did what makes me think I have a RIGHT to privacy about it? Is it documented that I am suppose to have a right to privacy in such things? Also, if giving up some privacy makes my like just a little bit safer because it allows the authorities to stop the bad girls then I can live with it, especially since I don't really have a lot of choice. You think we have it bad? Go live in North Korea. They may even welcome you.


    via the phone
    03-20-2014 04:39 PM
  13. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    Here's the thing though...and again, we must understand that we are living in an electronic world that is still pretty private (all things considered).

    I'm about to give you an example about how far the rabbit hole CAN go in terms of exposure online. We'll look at health insurance since that is a popular topic lately (especially in terms of Obama Care). Imagine in 10 years or so, you're online ordering some pretty common things (we'll say groceries or something)...say you order a lot of junk food or red meat or something that people might view as some what "unhealthy". Now fast forward 6 months afterwards...you end up in the hospital with some kind of cardiovascular issue. Let's say you're health coverage is limited in some fashion and a healthcare provider is having to decide whether or not you qualify for such and such surgery or procedure. Your medical records are already there for the world to see at this point, but what about your private life? What about the things you buy and eat? What about your common eating habits?

    Imagine if a procedure was denied to you because a person could see your grocery purchases or eating habits and determined that your lifestyle was not congruent with a procedure which requires approval (again, because of the type of coverage you have). You end up getting secondary service, maybe even suffer more than another person does from lesser treatment because you bought an extra box of potato chips or bought a pair of pants that was 2 sizes larger than you wore at your last physical (due to gained weight).

    Seem ridiculous? Does that seem insanely unlikely to happen? That's just one tiny detail in a SWELL of things that being fully exposed online COULD bring to your doorstep. We won't even get into social media and the absolute anarchy that could arise from a person being monitored 24/7 and thinking freedom of speech prevents you from being closely watched by whatever the NSA will become at that time.

    I'm not paranoid. Trust me on this...our lives will be on full display eventually, the likes you can't even imagine right now. You think people share too much on Facebook sometimes? Imagine if you didn't even have to share this information for people to find it out? Imagine backing up your iPhone to the iCloud one day...then a random murder or major crime happens in a vicinity you were tagged by your mobile device to have been in at the time...and then the authorities check out your backup, check out your pictures, videos, text messages and internet traffic to see if maybe...JUST maybe, you were involved or saw something. Imagine waking up to the police banging on your door because you took a picture of your wife at a mexican restaurant that just happened to include a car in the background that was involved in a triple homicide.

    No way? Can't happen? Lunacy you say? It's the future man. As much as we want to believe our society today will be the same in 2025, aint no way, no how.

    It's coming. Quicker than most people are willing to accept too. It's scary, but it's the future. If you went back to the year 2000 and told me that in less than 15 years, everything you do (pretty much) will be online and in the palm of your hand...I would have scoffed at that too. I'm more open to this some what depressing reality now...because we've already watched it come into play even today, it's just not as much in our face...yet.
    03-21-2014 05:49 PM

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