1. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    Very similar? I can safely say an IPhone 5s' msrp clearly stands higher than all msrps, barring limited edition phones.

    Plus if I can get by with a Nexus 5 off contract and pay as I go... Wouldn't there be a decent argument that with a much lower cost I can get pretty much do everything an iPhone can do out of the box and arguably more?

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    You can't argue pay as you go accounts...they have no consistent basis, and different carriers that offer such offer different things to entice people to sign up. The iPhone isn't specifically offered on those accounts, so it's irrelevant to the argument.

    As far as pricing goes, I'm going to say that the difference between the iPhone's cost on or off contract (new) and that of other top tier smart phones is negligible at best. Truly, the real expense typically comes from the private market, where iPhone's just happen to keep high value in comparison...this can't be blamed on the device itself as a negative, it's just a supply and demand thing...basic business.

    And to go a little deeper, arguing subsidized pricing is also kind of a moot point, because different carriers offer different deals (again, to entice sign up)...when Sprint was offering a free iPhone (or whatever the cost was), Verizon and AT&T were still at normal subsidized pricing. You couldn't argue that the iPhone was the best value at FREE because it wasn't like that across the board (nor is it for any type of device).

    Arguing expense on top tier smart phones is just a pointless endeavor because unless you're part of the smaller niche that always buys full price, unsubsidized devices year in and year out, the discussion isn't even relevant...and even within that group, the pricing is almost identical across the top of the board.
    01-08-2014 11:05 AM
  2. Speedygi's Avatar
    Well, given that we are already in this topic, I must say I really hope Apple comes out with more affordable iPhones so I can contemplate whether to give them a shot or not. I truly feel I would need a contract renewal for these things and the fact I can often get things like HTC One or Galaxy S4 fairly cheap in private channels puts me off even wanting an iPhone, along with my already mentioned reasons.

    Of course I won't argue the appeal of more prepaid targeted phones here, but if I can get a fairly good frequency of devices in without breaking the bank, and get quality that is comparable or better, I don't care where the argument goes as long as I can still buy these phones. I know many people are in that same boat, and while there is a good chance you would say a few hundred dollars is nothing to feel tight about when you are coming in and buying these phones, but if there is a cheaper option I don't see why people won't consider that.

    To that point, there's only one reason or explanation, 'brand name.'

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    01-08-2014 07:10 PM
  3. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    But again, you are comparing private market sales...and you're holding the fact that Apple products (regardless of kind) hold value extremely well...better than almost any other product in the same market. If you want to get into that, these higher costs should actually ATTRACT a potential consumer because it shows the demand for the devices, which is reflective of the quality and experience you get.

    I'll just say my piece and be done with the discussion about pricing (because it's been discussed so many times before and there really is no "right" answer to it)...I personally feel the iPhone's are priced perfectly (if not a little low) compared to what else is on the market. Subsidized pricing is a non-issue...if you don't mind being stuck with a carrier, the pricing points are ridiculously low for what you are getting. Unsubsidized pricing, to me, is perfectly in line with the rest of Apple's product line/pricing, and perfectly competitive with the other devices on the market (in regards to the cost to buy one new). What I get out of these devices for the cost they ask seems like a steal to me.

    Creating a "cheaper" iPhone, to me, degrades the brand. This was my argument when the big hoopla about the 5c was first started...how it was the "budget" iPhone, and for the longest time, I felt that this was a terrible move by Apple. Thankfully Apple had no intention of the 5c being a "budget" iPhone, and the cost reflected such (as well as the build quality). I don't ever want to see an Apple product on a Pay Per Use stand because, to me, it cheapens the experience, and takes some of the luster away.
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    01-09-2014 08:44 AM
  4. Speedygi's Avatar
    But again, you are comparing private market sales...and you're holding the fact that Apple products (regardless of kind) hold value extremely well...better than almost any other product in the same market. If you want to get into that, these higher costs should actually ATTRACT a potential consumer because it shows the demand for the devices, which is reflective of the quality and experience you get.

    I'll just say my piece and be done with the discussion about pricing (because it's been discussed so many times before and there really is no "right" answer to it)...I personally feel the iPhone's are priced perfectly (if not a little low) compared to what else is on the market. Subsidized pricing is a non-issue...if you don't mind being stuck with a carrier, the pricing points are ridiculously low for what you are getting. Unsubsidized pricing, to me, is perfectly in line with the rest of Apple's product line/pricing, and perfectly competitive with the other devices on the market (in regards to the cost to buy one new). What I get out of these devices for the cost they ask seems like a steal to me.

    Creating a "cheaper" iPhone, to me, degrades the brand. This was my argument when the big hoopla about the 5c was first started...how it was the "budget" iPhone, and for the longest time, I felt that this was a terrible move by Apple. Thankfully Apple had no intention of the 5c being a "budget" iPhone, and the cost reflected such (as well as the build quality). I don't ever want to see an Apple product on a Pay Per Use stand because, to me, it cheapens the experience, and takes some of the luster away.
    Well, I always see myself as a user who looks into the functions, rather than luster, so I must say I'm in the other school of thought, which I say is fine by me...
    01-09-2014 09:37 AM
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    How is it a lie? A "top end" Android device, like the Galaxy S4, HTC One, Note 3, Xperia Z, all share a very similar manufacturer's suggested retail price to the iPhone when purchased off-contract. While you can find top tier Android handsets deeply discounted on Amazon, that doesn't change the fact the manufacturer was asking more, and retailers cut prices to try and bolster weak sales.

    I can only assume you're referring to the Nexus 5. Which is being sold by Google, who doesn't make the majority of their profits off of hardware sales. Samsung, HTC, Sony, Nokia, Apple... These are predominantly hardware companies. Google is a data mining company... Who gives away a free OS to get more people on their ecosystem to mine data. They can afford the slim profit margins on the device and undercut hardware companies on price.
    Most of the android devices are heavily subsidised by the carriers, at least in the UK. I upgraded to the 5S this week. I had to pay $215 dollars for the handset upfront. I could have got any of the top android phones on the same or cheaper price plans for free.
    01-09-2014 04:27 PM
  6. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    Well, I always see myself as a user who looks into the functions, rather than luster, so I must say I'm in the other school of thought, which I say is fine by me...
    I don't think my comments represented me as someone who focused solely (or even partially) on luster at all...that was one small little detail. If that is all you saw out of all my comments, I don't know what to say, lol.
    01-10-2014 08:55 AM
  7. Speedygi's Avatar
    On the contrary I think you definitely knew what you were saying when you talk about these things, so for sure I wasn't saying that you care about luster itself.

    However, your post was focused specifically on luster so I felt inclined to comment on that, without prejudice.

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    01-10-2014 09:21 AM
  8. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    On the contrary I think you definitely knew what you were saying when you talk about these things, so for sure I wasn't saying that you care about luster itself.

    However, your post was focused specifically on luster so I felt inclined to comment on that, without prejudice.

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    One part of the post was focused on degrading the brand...I used the term luster as a representation of the device in the upper tier of devices on the market. A representation of Apple's "luxury brand" persona. The post itself wasn't focused on that, just the last little piece. Your response, however, identified the two of us as specific kinds of consumers...and to me, that was a bit unfair, because you felt you were in "another school of thought", when the exact opposite is actually true...I tend sway towards functionality over form with these things, it just so happens that my functional preference is also one of the most luxurious offerings as well (for lack of better term).
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    01-13-2014 08:13 AM
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