1. Xx BEN xX's Avatar
    Tech savviness is simply practical knowledge of technology...period. I'd say that, for the most part, people who frequent this forum to discuss the iPhone (or whatever device they are discussing at the time) are considered tech savvy, because a person without a practical knowledge of at least one of these devices would hardly concern themselves with long winded conversations about such.

    Telling someone that they are not tech savvy because of their preference of device is absurd. It makes no sense to assume someone is not tech savvy because they use a device that provides an easier experience in certain aspect...I have a Samsung smart TV at home that uses hand gestures and vocal commands to control what used to require learning the functions of a remote. Now, I just tell the TV what to do and it does it...how does this make me less tech savvy? My TV removes a manual activity, makes a function easier, and some how I've become less tech savvy than the person who must still learn the functions of a remote controller?

    Properly using a modern smart phone makes you tech savvy...it has to, these things are so chalk full of features, functions and technology...they are, quite literally, pocket computers. You compare these devices to cell phones from even 8-10 years ago, and it's staggering how much is crammed into them. And someone is going to sit and tell me that the iPhone is some how such a simple experience that it's not "for tech savvy" people? HA! I suppose we should apply this logic to everything right? One should consider that a new car is not for the automotive savvy because it requires less effort to own? Less maintenance to upkeep? Or perhaps a person should not consider eating at a 5 star restaurant because if you've eaten at McDonalds and are no longer food savvy?
    I see your point there, I was basically trying to say the cell you chose doesn't make you more a less techy it's a phone. But you do make very valid points Sean


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    10-18-2013 11:03 AM
  2. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    I see your point there, I was basically trying to say the cell you chose doesn't make you more a less techy it's a phone. But you do make very valid points Sean


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    98% of that wasn't directed at you, I apologize if you felt I was being harsh...the only part that was really reflective of your comment was the idea that the terminology we keep throwing around here "tech savvy" is simply just a practical knowledge, and not really some in depth thing that is "learned" or that requires a steep learning curve related to something to obtain.
    10-18-2013 11:24 AM
  3. Xx BEN xX's Avatar
    98% of that wasn't directed at you, I apologize if you felt I was being harsh...the only part that was really reflective of your comment was the idea that the terminology we keep throwing around here "tech savvy" is simply just a practical knowledge, and not really some in depth thing that is "learned" or that requires a steep learning curve related to something to obtain.
    Oh for sure, I wasn't offended at all nothing like a good debate, and if I'm wrong and someone calls bull**** I'm the first to admit I was incorrect in the way I word or say something.


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    10-18-2013 11:26 AM
  4. Speedygi's Avatar
    My nephew, who is 5 and has not even started grade school, can pick up nearly any electronic device he set in front of him and he can quickly grasp how it functions, he'll understand how to navigate the device and eventually, he'll be able to use it like it's 2nd nature. Now no offense to him, he's a kid, but I would hardly consider him "smart" in the general sense of the term...smart for his age? Certainly, but he's still a 5 year old, and has not even tasted an informal education on any level yet...the idea of making a macaroni picture with glitter and glue is still his native tongue vs. counting to 10. And yet, he can sit down with any of these devices and figure them out with no real issue other than maybe a lack of need to get into the more "enterprise" related features.

    Honestly, I don't think tech savviness really requires anything more than just a desire to be such. And in Apples case, given they rely so heavily on the development of apps to maintain their dominance with the App Store and sheer number of apps available to consumers, it would seem that Apple actually PREFERS the tech savvy with their devices, because it makes them a sh*t ton of money, lol.
    Nah, some people I know who have the desire to be tech savvy regularly ask me for help on how to do the most simple stuff like transfer photos from a micro USB drive. I still stand by the notion that intelligence does play a part.
    10-18-2013 07:11 PM
  5. kch50428's Avatar
    Nah, some people I know who have the desire to be tech savvy regularly ask me for help on how to do the most simple stuff like transfer photos from a micro USB drive. I still stand by the notion that intelligence does play a part.
    Intelligence plays a part, yes... however... I worked my way through college in what has evolved into Instructional Technology services... PhDs who are tops in their field can be dumb as a stump with technical things...
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    10-18-2013 07:18 PM
  6. Speedygi's Avatar
    Intelligence plays a part, yes... however... I worked my way through college in what has evolved into Instructional Technology services... PhDs who are tops in their field can be dumb as a stump with technical things...
    So it essentially points to a certain aptitude or intelligence in technology...

    Actually that makes sense now. And if there are digital natives, it implies that this aptitude can be trained or honed. Possibly one's own natural talent for these things amplifies that aptitude?
    10-18-2013 08:17 PM
  7. Brutal Efficiency's Avatar
    This is purely assumed and has no factual basis. You assume people will have a tricky time because they won't understand it easily...but what if the features hold little or no value to them? Rendering it essentially pointless instead of too difficult to understand.
    This has no relevance. Are you saying that every tech savvy person will need all the same options as each other? Sure, some options may be pointless to one user while very valuable to another. At least it is an option, while iOS does not have some of these. For someone who may want to tinker with a few more options to allow maximum productivity, then iOS may not be able to provide that.

    This has no relevance to tech savviness man. You are implying that an extra step in having apps some how makes a person more tech savvy...that is asinine. iPhone users have apps directly available to them...it's less work, not less understanding.
    Yes, I agree with what you are saying, but not in relation to the point that I was *hoping* to portray. BlackBerry doesn't have the apps iOS has available (and iOS doesn't have some BlackBerry 10 apps). If you have the know-how to side-load, then this could be a remedy for any wanted apps that you might long for. Sideloading is not the easiest task for the average consumer, and therefore would be tricky to do. Might I remind you that Android has a higher app count than iOS, and therefore allowing Android apps via Sideloading is a great option, and one that does not exist in the world of Apple. Having the OPTION to do so is better than no option at all.

    Apple designed a product and OS to minimize this for the consumer...so again, it's a matter of having the same function with less work...not less understanding.
    BlackBerry have also designed the same layout (albeit a different style). The fact that there is also an OPTION to side load means that people who like to tinker can do so. The Tech savvy would appreciate the OPTION rather than no option at all.


    Only the Blackberry can provide? What kinds of shortcuts are you talking about that only the Blackberry can provide? There are plenty of ways to setup short cuts, gesture controls and reassignments on the iPhone within the settings...
    Forgive me if I am sounding rude, but you are either ignorant or sarcastic on this point. I completely understand your ignorance if you haven't used a BlackBerry before, so I will explain. BlackBerry phones that include a keyboard allow shortcuts by using the keys (for example: speed dial). Many hard core users have memorized the shortcuts on their phone and can fly through the system via the shortcuts that only a physical keyboard could provide. Pressing one button to speed dial is a heck of a lot faster than making a phone call on iOS. The fact that you can pull up the virtual keyboard on an all-touch BlackBerry 10 phone will be fantastic when they add the home screen shortcuts to BlackBerry 10.

    Type'N'Go is also a fantastic BlackBerry 10 shortcut feature that beats out anything iOS has.

    All in all, having the options to do this over the options not to do this is one benefit that a tech savvy person *could* appreciate. Does it mean you are not tech savvy if you don't use it? No. Do many non-tech savvy people use it? No. Similar to the shortcuts on Windows Desktop.

    Again (for like the 5th time), I'm not seeing the relevance to the discussion here. So your mom has an issue with BB10 and the learning curve, how is that relevant to anyone else and their abilities?
    I was using my mother and father as a representation of the general population to people at the age of 50+.

    iPhone doesn't have NFC tech, so saying it "cannot" use it is obvious...it's not included because it's still a niche technology (and a world from the polished status Apple strives for on their devices, which is honestly the ONLY reasons why it's not included).
    This is not what I was arguing. I was saying that the option of NFC is more attractive to a tech savvy person than no option at all. If a person wants to do some cool things with NFC, then he won't be able to use an iPhone for that. That's just the fact. Whether it is a niche technology or not is irrelevant to the point in which I was arguing my point against.

    Apple has several proprietary approaches to DLNA, most of which have already been perfected amongst Apple's spectrum of devices (ecosystem as people call it). Apple, as a business, would be doing itself a disservice offering DLNA when their own system of media sharing works best amongst it's own products, and instills an idea in the consumers to buy more Apple devices (which makes more business sense).
    Yes, it makes more business sense, but that's all. Apple could produce DLNA alongside their own proprietary service as well for maximum connectivity with other devices around the world, making it easier for people to use Apple devices WITHOUT purchasing other Apple products. Then again, they might lose profit margins as people then don't find it a necessity to purchase other Apple made devices.

    Miracast is the same deal. iMessage and FaceTime combined with Airplay are within the Apple ecosystem...this is Apple's focus, because they know the devices using these features are using them in the quality Apple expects of their own devices.
    Cool story Bro. BBM Video combined with Miracast is also within the BlackBerry ecosystem AND expands to other ecosystems for the convenience of their users. Again, it is better to have the option rather than no option at all. Most people will appreciate that.

    ...my question is what is the problem with proprietary connectivity if the company offers everything a consumer needs to fully experience said features within that polished ecosystem? You're trying to argue that Apple has a "fault" of some sort by doing this, but they are a business, and because consumers are buying this stuff and making use of it, obviously they are doing SOMETHING right.
    Apple doesn't have a 'fault' for doing this, but it is a 'pro' that cannot be added to their list of features. I know that with my BlackBerry I can go to any hotel room (pretty much anywhere that I would ever go) and plug it into the TV via HDMI. I know that I can unexpectedly to go to a friends house, a workplace or a meeting and have the capability to project my screen onto the TV there. I don't need to even know what brand of TV it is. I just know that, somehow, my BlackBerry will have the OPTION to do it, rather than no option at all.

    Conclusion
    I was stating that a BlackBerry 10 phone holds more than a few features over the iPhone that may seem attractive for a tech savvy person. Does this mean that all BlackBerry 10 owners are more tech savvy than iPhone owners? No. Does this mean that an iPhone owner cannot be tech savvy? NO!!!! I feel as if you either misunderstood my point, or were thinking that I thought the iPhone was unattractive for a tech savvy customer.

    PS - I feel as though you have never touched a BlackBerry 10 device. That's such a shame, because before you do so you will already have such loaded negative stigma about a device you are yet to have the pleasure of experiencing.
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    10-20-2013 11:16 AM
  8. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    I'm going to make this short and sweet to you bud...for starters, I've never owned a BB10 device (and never will), have i "touched" one? Most definitely, and actually had a nice long road trip with a co-worker of mine where I got to explore his Z10 for a few hours. It was a significant improvement over what I was used to with Blackberry (having owned about 10 of their devices before the real age of modern smart phones presented itself 6-7 years ago), but it still felt inefficient, under-developed and clunky.

    Getting that out of the way, since you wanted to present that assumption, which was wrong...the rest of your post is simply you trying to convince me that Blackberry devices are more attractive devices to the tech savvy. There's nothing I'm going to say to change your mind on that because it's your opinion...I offered up what Apple features that rivals what you said Apple couldn't do (in early posts), and you retort with "Well, more options is better...". If you want to stick with that approach that is fine, but again, I'm simply reflecting that Apple offers many of the functions you're hung up on without the need of the extra steps to use them...I personally don't know many people who find extra work a more "attractive" work flow.

    I've grown a bit tired of having to repeat the same stuff over and over again so I'm just going to end on this...the title of this thread says "iOS devices are not for the tech savvy", and then you conclude with the sentiment that I misunderstood your point. Truly I didn't...I really think, over the course of this thread, you realize that the first statement made in the thread was inaccurate, and it was meant that there are things on the BB that would attract a tech savvy person (and with that point, I have ZERO argument, you are right, there are things that BB offers that a tech savvy person would be attracted to)...I rest my debate with this, I consider myself a tech savvy person, and I prefer the iPhone because of the technology it brings to the table...therefore I feel the iPhone is "for the tech savvy", as your thread title questioned.
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    10-20-2013 11:56 AM
  9. Brutal Efficiency's Avatar
    I do think that the iPhone offers MANY things that BlackBerry doesn't offer for the tech savvy. Just there are things that BlackBerry offers as well.

    I do think that having more options is more suitable than having one proprietary option. What if you take your iPhone into a home/workplace that doesn't offer proprietary solutions to connect with? Honest question, perhaps you have a solution that big am unaware/ignorant of.

    PS - this isn't my thread.
    10-20-2013 12:48 PM
  10. warcraftWidow's Avatar
    I do think that the iPhone offers MANY things that BlackBerry doesn't offer for the tech savvy. Just there are things that BlackBerry offers as well.

    I do think that having more options is more suitable than having one proprietary option. What if you take your iPhone into a home/workplace that doesn't offer proprietary solutions to connect with? Honest question, perhaps you have a solution that big am unaware/ignorant of.

    PS - this isn't my thread.
    Most homes and workplaces don't have NFC, DLNA, miracast or any go those other things either. So it wouldn't be any different than my iPhone and Apple's technologies.
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    10-20-2013 01:17 PM
  11. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    I do think that the iPhone offers MANY things that BlackBerry doesn't offer for the tech savvy. Just there are things that BlackBerry offers as well.

    I do think that having more options is more suitable than having one proprietary option. What if you take your iPhone into a home/workplace that doesn't offer proprietary solutions to connect with? Honest question, perhaps you have a solution that big am unaware/ignorant of.

    PS - this isn't my thread.
    Believe it or not, I somehow, some way manage to use my iPhone in my workplace and home without those things.
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    10-20-2013 02:24 PM
  12. BlackBerry Guy's Avatar
    Most homes and workplaces don't have NFC, DLNA, miracast or any go those other things either. So it wouldn't be any different than my iPhone and Apple's technologies.
    Universal standards doesn't always mean universal adoption. I've had 2 phones and 2 tablets now with NFC, and don't think I got to use them once outside of my home.
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    10-20-2013 02:37 PM
  13. Brutal Efficiency's Avatar
    Believe it or not, I somehow, some way manage to use my iPhone in my workplace and home without those things.
    Well that's just trolling
    10-20-2013 03:14 PM
  14. Brutal Efficiency's Avatar
    Universal standards doesn't always mean universal adoption. I've had 2 phones and 2 tablets now with NFC, and don't think I got to use them once outside of my home.
    I've used NFC countless times out of the home.
    10-20-2013 03:15 PM
  15. RayHollister's Avatar
    Hacking is fun, right up until the hack doesn't work and you need to call someone, but your phone won't stop hard resetting. I love to tinker, but not with something I depend on. I know a lot of folks who are extremely tech savvy that choose iOS because they don't want a smart phone they can hack, they want a smart phone that they can do a lot with, but also that they can depend on.

    This is just like the old days of Windows vs Mac, except for the fact that unlike back then, Apple has a much more mature and much more expansive ecosystem in mobile than they ever did on the desktop.
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    10-20-2013 03:22 PM
  16. BlackBerry Guy's Avatar
    I've used NFC countless times out of the home.
    Had it on both the 9900 and Z10 - haven't really seen much around here (Vancouver, Canada) that I could use it with.
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    10-20-2013 03:34 PM
  17. Brutal Efficiency's Avatar
    Had it on both the 9900 and Z10 - haven't really seen much around here (Vancouver, Canada) that I could use it with.
    That's a shame.
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    10-20-2013 03:57 PM
  18. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    Well that's just trolling
    It's not. It's pointing out that things such as NFC aren't as common as you would like us to believe. I'm not saying that one day it won't become a standard. But do you honestly think that if it catches on that Apple wouldn't be on board with new devices? Heck, Apple will probably make NFC a standard if they decide to implementing it without using the term NFC not once.
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    10-20-2013 04:13 PM
  19. Brutal Efficiency's Avatar
    It's not. It's pointing out that things such as NFC aren't as common as you would like us to believe. I'm not saying that one day it won't become a standard. But do you honestly think that if it catches on that Apple wouldn't be on board with new devices? Heck, Apple will probably make NFC a standard if they decide to implementing it without using the term NFC not once.
    I thought Apple would have implemented WiFi Direct/Miracast/DLNA...
    10-20-2013 05:06 PM
  20. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    I thought Apple would have implemented WiFi Direct/Miracast/DLNA...
    Apple isn't just going to implement something because it's there to use. They're gonna implement it when they can shape it to work with products how they would like them to so they can market those features using another term other than the technical ones. Right now things like that are nothing short of a gimmick.
    10-20-2013 05:11 PM
  21. kidkamel's Avatar
    NFC is still new, it can explode to something great or something not even worth worrying about. A lot of POS systems are moving towards tap to pay an done location such as Disney is moving to RFID technology with there tap and go which could be incorporated with NFC as its a part of the same technology.
    As for which device is better for those Tech Savvy individuals depends on your preference. If you are embedded in the iOS ecosystem or available to use android and even venture into an ecosystem that is new, possibly too new for those who want to use such as BB10.
    It is a new OS and those who are willing to give it a try will and those who are stuck it an ecosystem they are use to and don't want to switch will stay. I've owned multiple platforms, and my choice is BlackBerry because that works for me. IOS works for my wife and she wishes there were features from BB10 that were incorporated in iOS but the reality is you as an individual go towards what works for you. People who want simple, available, and even easy to pickup will go towards what is the norm or popular.

    We can't change views or expectations all we can do is share those experiences and hope for the best.

    My two cents more like $5 worth of replies.


    What moves you, my BlackBerry Z10
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    10-20-2013 05:21 PM
  22. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    I do think that the iPhone offers MANY things that BlackBerry doesn't offer for the tech savvy. Just there are things that BlackBerry offers as well.

    I do think that having more options is more suitable than having one proprietary option. What if you take your iPhone into a home/workplace that doesn't offer proprietary solutions to connect with? Honest question, perhaps you have a solution that big am unaware/ignorant of.

    PS - this isn't my thread.
    I'm sorry, but this post does not reflect the nature of this thread or your previous statements in it...I know you didn't start it, but you were one of the only people who were defending the sentiment, so you might as well have started it. In the end, the only point that I'm standing behind is that the iPhone is just as much "for" the tech savvy and non-tech savvy alike. Certain things attract both...for different reasons. Saying the iPhone is not for the tech savvy would be like me saying the new BB10 devices are not for new age smart phone consumers...it's a blanket (and false) generalization.
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    10-20-2013 09:06 PM
  23. eve6er69's Avatar
    Just like computers. It's how you use them. They're made to form tithe ease of use people but if you know what your doing you can go deeper into the os.


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    10-21-2013 09:25 AM
  24. Speedygi's Avatar
    Believe it or not, I somehow, some way manage to use my iPhone in my workplace and home without those things.
    To me, that would mean you are more tech savvy regardless of the features, however I would also argue that some are not tech savvy even if they have those features available to them. So I would come to a conclusion where being tech savvy is a state of mind, and a measure of one's own aptitude. However, I would also say that if one knows how to use DLNA or Miracast that individual could also be deemed tech savvy, simply on the basis that those things do need a certain degree of know-how and even just knowing that they exist is a sign of tech savvyness of itself.

    If you ask me, the tech savvy comes from the individual and not from the devices, and having a device of any kind does not determine any form of tech savvyness whatsoever, even if people often equate and/or mistake them to be the same.
    10-21-2013 12:30 PM
  25. Anilu7's Avatar
    I've used NFC countless times out of the home.
    I've used NFC at the liquor store. Should have seen the look on the cashier's face when I whipped out my phone instead of credit card...
    10-25-2013 02:47 AM
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