1. return_0's Avatar
    Do you not see that clumping all of the iterations of Android together as if they were from one specific company against the other OSes with no iterations is being biased?
    It isn't very biased. In that case, you're comparing operating systems, not manufacturers. Samsung isn't an OS. Neither is HTC. So why separate them? I'm sure if there were three manufacturers making iOS devices, iOS' market share wouldn't triple. Because many people choose phones because of OS, not manufacturer. Or sometimes neither.
    04-14-2013 04:18 PM
  2. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    It isn't very biased. In that case, you're comparing operating systems, not manufacturers. Samsung isn't an OS. Neither is HTC. So why separate them? I'm sure if there were three manufacturers making iOS devices, iOS' market share wouldn't triple. Because many people choose phones because of OS, not manufacturer. Or sometimes neither.
    No. You know what I was clearly saying. If the pure Google experience or any "one" skinned version was all that were on the various Android manufacturer's devices then the referenced poll would be legitimate and unbiased, in my opinion. As it stands right now, HTC Sense, Motorola Blur (or whatever the heck they're calling it these days), Samsung TouchWiz and Google's pure experience are all lumped together as being the same even though they are not and should be represented separately in the poll like iOS, blackberry and the others.
    04-14-2013 05:26 PM
  3. Paradocks's Avatar
    No. You know what I was clearly saying. If the pure Google experience or any "one" skinned version was all that were on the various Android manufacturer's devices then the referenced poll would be legitimate and unbiased, in my opinion. As it stands right now, HTC Sense, Motorola Blur (or whatever the heck they're calling it these days), Samsung TouchWiz and Google's pure experience are all lumped together as being the same even though they are not and should be represented separately in the poll like iOS, blackberry and the others.
    Then by your logic, shouldn't jailbroken iPhones be separated as well? The skins from Android manufacturers are just cosmetic. The underlying OS tying them all together is Android.

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    04-15-2013 07:27 AM
  4. cardfan's Avatar
    Then by your logic, shouldn't jailbroken iPhones be separated as well? The skins from Android manufacturers are just cosmetic. The underlying OS tying them all together is Android.

    Sent from somewhere
    Don't agree about jailbroken phones. It's still Apple.

    But do agree about android. In comparing OS's they should be lumped together. It IS android. But more and more like JustMeD is saying, folks like Samsung are forking enough to where it IS starting to branch off. If you want the experience you have on an S4, you can't just get an HTC One.
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    04-15-2013 08:18 AM
  5. Paradocks's Avatar
    Don't agree about jailbroken phones. It's still Apple.

    But do agree about android. In comparing OS's they should be lumped together. It IS android. But more and more like JustMeD is saying, folks like Samsung are forking enough to where it IS starting to branch off. If you want the experience you have on an S4, you can't just get an HTC One.
    I see your point. As of now, if you want to download a program, all Android phones, no matter what skin they use, get their downloads from one source, the Google Play store. Google Play does not break out variations of programs based on what skin your phone is using. It's all Android. Until Samsung or any other Android manufacturer makes it so that their phones no longer support Google Play, then all Android phones should be counted as supporting the same OS.

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    04-15-2013 09:04 AM
  6. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    Then by your logic, shouldn't jailbroken iPhones be separated as well? The skins from Android manufacturers are just cosmetic. The underlying OS tying them all together is Android.

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    The skins (MotoBlur, Sense, etc.) are a tad more than cosmetic because they are the associated with specific entities. You cannot and will not buy a Galaxy S3 from a Samsung store or service provider that comes preloaded with HTC Sense and vice versa. But yes, you are correct that they all are indeed Android devices, but for the sake of arguing the results of the aforementioned poll, it's like comparing the sale of ice cream from Baskin & Robbins that comes in 30-plus flavors to several companies that specializes in one specific flavor. I hope that made sense......
    Last edited by JustMe'D; 04-15-2013 at 12:34 PM.
    04-15-2013 11:25 AM
  7. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    Don't agree about jailbroken phones. It's still Apple.

    But do agree about android. In comparing OS's they should be lumped together. It IS android. But more and more like JustMeD is saying, folks like Samsung are forking enough to where it IS starting to branch off. If you want the experience you have on an S4, you can't just get an HTC One.
    Exactly, and thank you.
    04-15-2013 11:26 AM
  8. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    I see your point. As of now, if you want to download a program, all Android phones, no matter what skin they use, get their downloads from one source, the Google Play store. Google Play does not break out variations of programs based on what skin your phone is using. It's all Android. Until Samsung or any other Android manufacturer makes it so that their phones no longer support Google Play, then all Android phones should be counted as supporting the same OS.

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    I do see your point, by the way....
    04-15-2013 11:27 AM
  9. Paradocks's Avatar
    The skins (MotoBlur, Sense, etc.) are a tad more than cosmetic because they are the associated with specific entities. You cannot and will not buy a Galaxy S3 from a Samsung store or service provider that comes preloaded with HTC Sense and vice versa. But yes, you are correct that they all are indeed Android devices, but for the sake of arguing the results of the aforementioned poll, it's like comparing the sale of ice cream from Baskin & Robbins that comes in 30-plus flavors to several companies that specializes in one specific flavor. I hope that made sense......
    Point taken. I guess I see an Android phone is an Android phone, no matter how much the manufacturers attempt to distinguish their brand from each other. If Google Play had different app sections for phones running Sense, Blur, and Touchwiz then I would be more in agreement with you. But the single BBC News app I download from Google Play works on all three skins, hence my reasoning. But I do welcome all points of view.

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    Last edited by JustMe'D; 04-15-2013 at 12:35 PM.
    04-15-2013 12:12 PM
  10. Paradocks's Avatar
    BTW, because of Android's open environment, you can put an HTC Sense style clock and weather widget on a phone running TouchWiz through third party skin programs. So, there are elements of proprietary skins that can be copied and used between manufacturers.

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    04-15-2013 12:17 PM
  11. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    BTW, because of Android's open environment, you can put an HTC Sense style clock and weather widget on a phone running TouchWiz through third party skin programs. So, there are elements of proprietary skins that can be copied and used between manufacturers.

    Sent from somewhere
    Now that is very true ...
    04-15-2013 12:36 PM
  12. Alli's Avatar
    I see your point. As of now, if you want to download a program, all Android phones, no matter what skin they use, get their downloads from one source, the Google Play store. Google Play does not break out variations of programs based on what skin your phone is using. It's all Android. Until Samsung or any other Android manufacturer makes it so that their phones no longer support Google Play, then all Android phones should be counted as supporting the same OS.

    Sent from somewhere
    They get their downloads from Google Play, Amazon, or several other places. Very different than iOS where you have iTunes unless you're jailbroken, which gives you a second source in Cydia.
    04-15-2013 05:24 PM
  13. androidluvr2's Avatar
    BTW, because of Android's open environment, you can put an HTC Sense style clock and weather widget on a phone running TouchWiz through third party skin programs. So, there are elements of proprietary skins that can be copied and used between manufacturers.
    But can they be copied without permission without violating copyright laws? [HINT - the answer is no]
    04-15-2013 06:55 PM
  14. Paradocks's Avatar
    But can they be copied without permission without violating copyright laws? [HINT - the answer is no]
    I'm talking about apps like Beautiful Widgets, which has a Sense-like flip clock and weather widget. It's not a direct copy of the HTC Sense clock, but it does allow someone with a Samsung phone to enjoy an imitation of an HTC Sense design element.

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    04-15-2013 07:33 PM
  15. Paradocks's Avatar
    They get their downloads from Google Play, Amazon, or several other places. Very different than iOS where you have iTunes unless you're jailbroken, which gives you a second source in Cydia.
    That may be true, though I have never tried to download apps from Amazon onto my HTC phone. I actually didn't think that was possible. I tend to stick with the "mother ship", so to speak, and download all my apps from Google Play.

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    04-15-2013 07:42 PM
  16. Alli's Avatar
    That may be true, though I have never tried to download apps from Amazon onto my HTC phone. I actually didn't think that was possible. I tend to stick with the "mother ship", so to speak, and download all my apps from Google Play.

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    Not only do they carry most of the same apps as Google Play, they offer a free app every day. You've been missing out!
    04-16-2013 08:02 AM
  17. grunt0300's Avatar
    Not only do they carry most of the same apps as Google Play, they offer a free app every day. You've been missing out!
    Very true, but where would you put all those apps? I've noticed that the exact same app that i have on my SGSIII, looks and sometimes acts differently on my wife's iPhone. I guess that they're made for different OS's.
    04-16-2013 09:24 AM
  18. Dryland's Avatar
    Here's a thought for 1:1 comparison: compare any ONE android phone vs iPhone of the same period and see how they stack up sales wise. So we would compare iPhone 5 to Nexus 4?
    04-17-2013 07:58 AM
  19. Alli's Avatar
    Instead of any comparisons...how 'bout we get back on topic talking about teens and phones.

    Anyone else with any data?
    04-17-2013 01:55 PM
  20. Sarcasm Detector's Avatar
    Yep... the denizens of other platforms who keep coming here to tell us Apple is doomed are right... </sarcasm>

    I am a denizen of another platform; I wouldn't say Apple is "Doomed".

    I will say Apple and specifically iOS is getting old and stale.

    One thing I have a problem with these polls (apart from the fact that you can make a set of numbers mean anything you want) is what is being compared to what?

    Comparing Apple to Android to BlackBerry to Windows, are we talking iphone 4 or 4s? Android 2.2 or 4.2? HTC or Samsung? Legacy BlackBerry or BB10? Windows 7.5 or 8? ...or everything jumbled together?
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    04-17-2013 02:12 PM
  21. Alli's Avatar
    Any kind of Android device and any kind of iPhone. We'll make it easy.
    04-17-2013 04:39 PM
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