1. crovax85's Avatar
    Really sucks that AT&T are doing this. I hope the UK providers dont do this. The are already charging us way more for the phone and the contract!
    06-04-2010 08:34 AM
  2. whmurray's Avatar
    Really sucks that AT&T are doing this. I hope the UK providers dont do this. The are already charging us way more for the phone and the contract!
    I hope that the FCC understands that this plan, if allowed to stand, ends the idea of net neutrality. I hope that the FTC recognizes that this is not fair trade. I hope that AT&T's competitors see this as an opportunity to take subscribers from AT&T rather than a cover for taking more money from their existing subscribers.

    I have to admit that AT&T has been very artful in their presentation of this plan. Even the technical press, that generally favors net neutrality, seems to have swallowed the hook with the bait. They have failed to recognize, for example, that $20- per month for the mere privilege of using an application, whether or not one even uses that application, is an outrage. I am certainly glad that most here have recognized that a few dollars in the short term will cost much more in the long term.
    06-04-2010 09:58 AM
  3. Mr. Chitlin's Avatar
    I'm using a BB9000 right now and was wanting a new iphone when they came out. I guess there will be no way for me to get in under the unlimited plan. My wife, son and daughter all have unlimited plans.
    06-04-2010 11:12 AM
  4. rdiddy_25's Avatar
    I'm using a BB9000 right now and was wanting a new iphone when they came out. I guess there will be no way for me to get in under the unlimited plan. My wife, son and daughter all have unlimited plans.

    Simple, upgrade to 3Gs @ Wally world for $97, get grandfathered into and unlimited plan and the return within the 30 grace period to get new iPhone. Now u have the new iPhone with unlimited data
    06-04-2010 11:21 AM
  5. j7469's Avatar
    I have only once gone over 2GB (just barely) and I never turn on wifi so doing that could easily ensure that doesn't happen again. I wouldn't mind saving a few bucks but since I already get a 17% discount I only pay $24.90. I wonder if I'd get the discount on the $25 plan? I know that Verizon only discounts plans over $30 but I don't know AT&T's policy.

    I also agree without everyone else. If you're capping data then tethering should be free or less than $20 for the privilege. AT&T should either lower the tethering price to $5-10 or add a extra gig or data with it.
    06-05-2010 08:10 AM
  6. cardfan's Avatar
    I have only once gone over 2GB (just barely) and I never turn on wifi so doing that could easily ensure that doesn't happen again. I wouldn't mind saving a few bucks but since I already get a 17% discount I only pay $24.90. I wonder if I'd get the discount on the $25 plan? I know that Verizon only discounts plans over $30 but I don't know AT&T's policy.

    I also agree without everyone else. If you're capping data then tethering should be free or less than $20 for the privilege. AT&T should either lower the tethering price to $5-10 or add a extra gig or data with it.
    I'd expect my discount to apply even to the 25. It's just not worth saving 5 dollars over to worry about meeting the 2gb cap so i'll just keep the old plan.

    The tethering (USB or BT only) option is a joke (compared to the competition) and to charge 20 to use it is an insult. I'll jailbreak and use Mywi.
    06-05-2010 10:32 AM
  7. fdezarra's Avatar
    Does anyone have real evidence about whether on/off will still be on or not?

    Also, what happens with future devices. Say you get next years ipad as well. Will we get to keep the unlimited or is this tied in to specific device. I think with the iPhone, you can keep unlimited even if you change devices.
    06-06-2010 12:05 PM
  8. west3man's Avatar
    Does anyone have real evidence about whether on/off will still be on or not?
    I was told that we could do the on/off thing for less than 90 days without forfeiting our grandfathering benefits. At least two AT&T reps told me this.

    But AT&T doesn't really have their $#!+ together and clearly can't be trusted to do the right thing simply because it's right. I'd like to see some literature to back this up.

    Also, what happens with future devices. Say you get next years ipad as well. Will we get to keep the unlimited or is this tied in to specific device. I think with the iPhone, you can keep unlimited even if you change devices.
    The account seems to be SIM-specific. When I switched iPads, they put me through hell until I was able to get the old iPad from Best Buy and exchange that SIM for the one in the new device.

    In other words, if you keep your SIM you should be fine. How do you sell an iPad with no SIM? Dunno. Cuz local AT&T support will likely be useless.
    06-06-2010 12:37 PM
  9. DJNYC's Avatar
    i bet now Video Calls over 3G (IF Possible) will have a separate fee a month now as well?
    06-06-2010 04:24 PM
  10. BLiNK's Avatar
    CBS News Mobile: Story

    This plan will affect new AT&T smartphone subscribers who sign up for service on or after June 7. Current smartphone subscribers, including iPhone and iPad customers who have already signed up for the $30 unlimited data plans, are grandfathered in. They can continue to use those unlimited plans until their contracts run out. But if they want to switch their plans to either the $15 or the $25 plan they can.
    regarding the grandfathered situations...
    i'm assuming after your contract expires then you have to go to one of the new data plans. am i reading this correctly?
    06-06-2010 09:18 PM
  11. Jellotime91's Avatar
    CBS News Mobile: Story



    regarding the grandfathered situations...
    i'm assuming after your contract expires then you have to go to one of the new data plans. am i reading this correctly?
    No you don't. Even after your contract is expired you can keep the exact same plan you have.
    06-06-2010 09:34 PM
  12. rdiddy_25's Avatar
    The new data plans are for NEW customers and those who want to switch after June 7th. We can keep our unlimited plans afterwards, EVEN when we upgrade. We only lose it if we which to one o the newer plans.
    06-06-2010 09:50 PM
  13. BLiNK's Avatar
    The new data plans are for NEW customers and those who want to switch after June 7th. We can keep our unlimited plans afterwards, EVEN when we upgrade. We only lose it if we which to one o the newer plans.
    it appears that may not be the case for the new iPhone

    Anyone buying the new iPhone that is supposed to be released this summer will have to sign up for one of the new plans.
    i hope not
    06-06-2010 09:59 PM
  14. rdiddy_25's Avatar
    Read the part where it says Note: existing customers CAN keep their existing data plans EVEN if we upgrade to the new iPhone

    http://www.tipb.com/2010/06/02/att-a...ort-tethering/
    06-06-2010 10:08 PM
  15. BLiNK's Avatar
    ^ perfect! thanks
    06-06-2010 10:41 PM
  16. Mr. Chitlin's Avatar
    I'm using a BB9000 right now and was wanting a new iphone when they came out. I guess there will be no way for me to get in under the unlimited plan. My wife, son and daughter all have unlimited plans.
    I went by the ATT Corporate store on Saturday. They told me that as long as I have an unlimited smartphone plan I could keep the unlimited smartphone plan, even if I go from BB to iphone.

    I guess I'll find out in a few weeks.
    06-07-2010 05:33 AM
  17. nite732's Avatar
    I stream alot and my slingbox is almost always on. I only went over 2gb three times. I don't think people use as much data as we think. I also use miwi on my iphone.
    06-07-2010 10:21 AM
  18. berdinkerdickle's Avatar
    I guess this is great news for low data users.
    06-08-2010 10:51 PM
  19. BeyondtheTech's Avatar
    Here's an interesting idea...

    As we already know, as of June 7th, the iPhone 3G unlimited data plan for $30 was removed from their system. According to AT&T store reps, it's no longer listed as a choice when trying to activate an iPhone 3G/3GS.

    And, as we also know, if you're on the $20 unlimited EDGE or $30 unlimited 3G data plan on an iPhone 2G or iPhone 3G/3GS, respectively, you can be "grandfathered" to the defunct $30 unlimited 3G data plan when you get the iPhone 4.

    Now, here's the kicker...

    If you have an old iPhone 2G (not 3G or 3GS) laying around, you might want to try activating your number on it with iTunes. You'll see that you'll still be able to get the $20 unlimited EDGE plan during the activation process, and that may likely "grandfather" you to the $30 data plan if you choose to do so.

    So, if you feel you missed out by not having an unlimited data plan on your number before June 7 changed everything, this may be the only way to "grandfather" yourself even now.
    06-09-2010 01:01 AM
  20. whmurray's Avatar
    there is nothing saying they can't charge for data useage. VzW CEO the other week said they are going to be doing the same thing soon. what is complete BS and something to talk to the FCC/FTC/BBB about is how AT&T is charging another $20 for tethering on top of the $25 for 2GB of data. Tethering is using data the same as streaming music or whatever. You have already paid for the data and they have the nerve to charge another $20 so you can use the feature? Screw you AT&T! Maybe they should be more grateful that iPhone SAVED their company from ruins and now they are starting to **** people off even more. Eventually the iPhone won't be on only AT&T and thats the day AT&T will regret screwing people.
    I will jailbreak before I will pay AT&T $20- per month for an application that I may or may not use. I think that this is their way of reneging on their commitment to allow tethering. It makes little difference what they permit if they price it in such a way that no one will use it. I wonder what application they will apply a surcharge to next?

    Of course, they do not much care what I do, or even what "we" do. We are not typical of their customers.
    06-10-2010 01:26 PM
  21. whmurray's Avatar
    We don't know that "tethering" means a mifi app on the iphone. I really doubt it will. If that's the case, you won't be tethering an ipad to your iphone.

    I take it to mean using USB on a PC or Mac.

    I've not seen AT&T even mention wifi tethering.
    At this point, they still have not talked about the service, only the application surcharge. I hope that this surcharge kills the app, lest we encourage them to surcharge other applications.
    06-10-2010 01:38 PM
  22. whmurray's Avatar
    Why, you can still keep your unlimited plan! :/
    I cannot keep my unlimited plan without extending my contract or committing to a $375- early termination fee.
    Last edited by whmurray; 06-13-2010 at 02:10 AM.
    06-10-2010 01:47 PM
  23. whmurray's Avatar
    i bet now Video Calls over 3G (IF Possible) will have a separate fee a month now as well?
    Bite your tongue!
    06-10-2010 01:49 PM
  24. whmurray's Avatar
    I guess this is great news for low data users.
    I do not agree. It establishes the principle of metered data and fixes the price. Five years ago, I did not use any wireless data at all. This year my data use doubled over the previous year. I expect it to continue to rise. The pundits have been all over the networks today talking about how we are shifting our data usage from wired, "all you can eat," to wireless, now metered, at least by AT&T.

    How is this good news even for those who will get a smaller bill for a few months?

    AT&T's cost per bit will drop a thousand fold when they deploy 4G. While Verizon users will enjoy the efficiency of 4G as well as the higher speed, we may enjoy the higher data rate, we can use more data in the same amount of time, but AT&T users will not enjoy any of the benefit of AT&T's reduced cost per bit.

    This is bad news whoever you are.

    If they succeed in imposing the surcharge on tethering, then they will have established the principle that they can surcharge any application they like. That is bad new for everyone. This is how they plan to take money from developers. This is why the developers of PDANet say that they are not planning a product for the un-JB iPhone. AT&T is doing in the wireless space what the FCC has warned them not to do in the wired Internet space, surcharging applications and devices. If they can impose a surcharge on tethering, why not on Skype, Sling, Google, or TomTom traffic?

    This is bad news for everyone.

    If they want to discourage traffic, they should price bits, not apps. If they want to price apps or services, they should develop them and offer them in competition with everyone else. They should not take advantage of the investment of others.

    Imagine that you are thinking of developing an iPhone service. You calculate the cost to yourself, the value to the user and based upon that, you invest. You announce your service and AT&T imposes a surcharge on it. You do not get any of the revenue generated by the surcharge and you lose customers unwilling to pay it. Perhaps confronted with the uncertainty as to whether or not AT&T will surcharge your product, you decide that the risk reward is too high and you do not invest at all.

    This is bad for everyone. Even those who enjoy a slight price break early, AT&T's bait, will suffer in the long run, AT&T's hook.

    We had better hope that AT&T's competitors seize the opportunity to take subscribers from AT&T rather than try to take more revenue from their existing subscribers.
    Last edited by whmurray; 06-10-2010 at 04:33 PM.
    06-10-2010 02:15 PM
  25. west3man's Avatar
    I am incredibly surprised that the tech analysts aren't giving AT&T more hell for this bait and switch. I kinda wish these threads hadn't been merged because now here, like so many places, people are talking about iPhone usage much more than iPad usage. This is quite a blow for device that just debuted - which I guess now applies to the iPhone 4 device to a degree but the iPad was announced with this plan and now it is not available to anyone who didn't get the device within the first 30 days.

    This is incredibly dirty pool. I hope AT&T's Facebook page is still on fire with critics.

    In fact, I think I'll drop by there, right now.
    06-12-2010 01:54 PM
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