1. west3man's Avatar
    You must have a crappy 3G connection. My connection is fast and it provides more than enough speed to do more than "checking weather and stuff"
    Mine does, too.

    "Fast" is relative, of course. Here, in Tallahassee, FL, I consistently get a max of 600-700 Kbps download speeds over 3G. Dunno about big cities.
    06-02-2010 01:13 PM
  2. cardfan's Avatar
    I just spoke to a 4th rep who said that he'd heard nothing about the rate change, but after putting me on hold, he said that it is true and thAt it applies to iPad users. He knew nothing of the grandfathering or the rest, from what I could tell.

    While on the phine with him, the previous rep called me back to say that after consulting with more managers, she has confirmed that the change is coming and will apply to iPad users.

    I told them both that this is the kind of thing that is likely to keep me from buying Apple or AT&T products in the future. I think some kind of organized boycott is in-order.
    Not much you can do but keep your plan going which is similar to a contract. Or cancel the data and consider an Evo (or similar).
    06-02-2010 01:14 PM
  3. whmurray's Avatar
    I'm considering moving to the 200MB / month plan. I average 121mb a month over the last 7 months.
    Sounds like a fit. However, it looks to me that AT&T has priced that offering to make the 2G plan look cheap. On the other hand, 2G seems high enough that, without tethering, one would be paying for something that one could otn swallow.
    06-02-2010 01:15 PM
  4. west3man's Avatar
    Everything I have read says that if you currently have a $30 unlimited plan it will not change, as long as you don't add tethering
    The last repp spoke with said this is so new that it is not fully represented on the website. That is ridiculous, considering how close we are to June 7, 2010, but ut explains why there were no worthwhile links in those articles and posts.
    06-02-2010 01:17 PM
  5. cardfan's Avatar
    I can go back and look at my history and feel good about 2GB (like others are doing) but that is irrelevant. 3G will only get faster especially hspa+. More data consumption features will be added such as ichat, netflix, even tethering, etc.

    Especially if you're sharing 5mp pics (instead of 3), uploading HD video, streaming higher quality for the higher resolution screen, skype (which apple is adding multitasking for)...
    06-02-2010 01:27 PM
  6. mrguilt's Avatar
    To me, the appeal of the iPad 3G was the plan. Specifically:
    -I'm mostly around WiFi, so the 3G was not required every month
    -Since it was month-to-month, I could spin up the 3G when I would be doing traveling but cancel it when I thought I'd go 30 days without needing it.
    -The plans were priced at attractive levels
    -My understanding was if I went over 250 MB, I simply paid the difference to the unlimited plan, and was upgraded.

    Now:
    -The plans are priced just OK
    -The upgrade for overage is less kind
    -Still can pay month-to-month

    Had the iPad been out three years, like the iPhone, or even a year, I could probably shrug this off with a little grumbling. The fact that these alterations came out a month after the device's release is frustrating Framing it that way, is there some action that can be taken?
    Last edited by mrguilt; 06-02-2010 at 11:38 PM.
    06-02-2010 01:29 PM
  7. cardfan's Avatar
    I planned on switching my wife over from sprint for the new iphone, but it looks like i better convert to a family talk plan before June 7th or we'll both wind up with these new data plans.
    06-02-2010 01:30 PM
  8. rgar3388's Avatar
    Great, they just give us backgrounding and now at&t has to be trash and limit data usage. Luckily I get grandfathered in. Backgrounding will result to higher data usage. AT&T is TRASH!!!!!!!!
    06-02-2010 01:31 PM
  9. redbeard's Avatar
    Does anybody know what AT&T does with all the money they make off of us??? It seems like they are just trying to wring us dry for as long as possible while not upgrading their network.

    So now after three years of having iPhone exclusivity, have we seen any performance improvements? Not where I live in LA county, and all the 3G dead zones across LA are still here, even though I've been marking them for AT&T using their "mark the spot" app, as have thousands of others most likely. Might as well delete it as they aren't taking any action.

    It's a shame too, things like rollover minutes and simultaneous voice and data is great, if only they spent some of those billions on UPGRADES instead of limitations.
    06-02-2010 01:37 PM
  10. whmurray's Avatar
    I can go back and look at my history and feel good about 2GB (like others are doing) but that is irrelevant. 3G will only get faster especially hspa+. More data consumption features will be added such as ichat, netflix, even tethering, etc.

    Especially if you're sharing 5mp pics (instead of 3), uploading HD video, streaming higher quality for the higher resolution screen, skype (which apple is adding multitasking for)...
    I agree.

    Note that 4G will use the bandwidth much more efficiently than 3G. The cost per bit to AT&T will drop but we will pay the same.

    Of all the carriers, AT&T is the one that drives with its eye on the rear-view mirror. The only solution to that is the end of exclusivity. Only then will they look to the future or price competitively.
    06-02-2010 01:37 PM
  11. west3man's Avatar
    I'm feeling a bit bait-and-switched here. To me, the appeal of the iPad 3G was the plan. Specifically:
    -I'm mostly around WiFi, so the 3G was not required every month
    -Since it was month-to-month, I could spin up the 3G when I would be doing traveling but cancel it when I thought I'd go 30 days without needing it.
    -The plans were priced at attractive levels
    -My understanding was if I went over 250 MB, I simply paid the difference to the unlimited plan, and was upgraded.

    Now:
    -The plans are priced just OK
    -The upgrade for overage is less kind
    -Still can pay month-to-month

    Had the iPad been out three years, like the iPhone, or even a year, I could probably shrug this off with a little grumbling. The fact that these alterations came out a month after the device's release has me using the phrase "bait and switch." Framing it that way, is there some action that can be taken?
    I diipubt that we've got a legal leg to stand on - no firmly enough to be worth pursuing - but I am no lawyer.

    I think that organizing and griping, boycotting and writing letters/emails is about as far as we can take it. I don't know that it will do a damned thing other than let our extreme displeasure be known, but that sounds good to me, as well.

    You're absolutely right about the bait and switch.
    06-02-2010 01:55 PM
  12. ghostface147's Avatar
    Does anybody know what AT&T does with all the money they make off of us??? It seems like they are just trying to wring us dry for as long as possible while not upgrading their network.
    That is true in many ways, but also keep in mind there are other outside factors involved as well. Everyone wants more and more coverage, but no one wants a tower in their backyard. That kind of issue takes a lot of time to resolve, some taking years in certain jurisdictions. It is not fathomable to believe that AT&T is sitting at their HQ just playing Sketch Online. Should their network be up to speed? Of course it should. Is it? Not really. It's not as easy as flipping a switch and say here you go, more coverage. It's magical.

    If you're an IT person, you should know this.
    06-02-2010 02:12 PM
  13. ifarlow's Avatar
    Framing it that way, is there some action that can be taken?
    Sure. File a frivolous lawsuit like everyone else does so that prices go up for all of us.
    06-02-2010 02:13 PM
  14. west3man's Avatar
    Sure. File a frivolous lawsuit like everyone else does so that prices go up for all of us.
    What, in your eyes, would make it frivolous?
    06-02-2010 02:21 PM
  15. whmurray's Avatar
    ................So now after three years of having iPhone exclusivity, have we seen any performance improvements? Not where I live in LA county, and all the 3G dead zones across LA are still here, even though I've been marking them for AT&T using their "mark the spot" app, as have thousands of others most likely. Might as well delete it as they aren't taking any action............
    Still only EDGE at LAX?
    06-02-2010 02:32 PM
  16. Jellotime91's Avatar
    @cardfan
    whether a picture is 5 or 3 megapixels makes no difference, the full resolution is not being sent 90% of the time. If you are emailing them at full resolution then it makes a difference, but full res is not the default action in iPhone OS, and uploading to facebook/twitter is not the full res image either.

    Video chat isn't going to take you from 300MB to 2GB. Video chat over 3G (if it's even available) will use less bandwidth than YouTube over 3G, which has little impact on your data plan.

    This may be bad for the heavy users but for everyone else it's "hey your data plan can be $5 cheaper, or if you're a lite user, $15 cheaper!" which a lot of consumers will appreciate. And, establishing limits means ATT may be wiling to allow more things to happen over 3G.
    06-02-2010 02:33 PM
  17. big9erfan's Avatar
    So now after three years of having iPhone exclusivity, have we seen any performance improvements? Not where I live in LA county, and all the 3G dead zones across LA are still here, even though I've been marking them for AT&T using their "mark the spot" app, as have thousands of others most likely. Might as well delete it as they aren't taking any action.
    Where in LA county are you? I'm there a bulk of the time ( though live in Ventura County now...Thousand Oaks )and rarely have issues.
    06-02-2010 02:59 PM
  18. VLennert's Avatar
    I, too, feel like I've been a vicitim of bait and switch. The bottom line: I would not have purchased my iPad had they been honest about these changes at the device launch. The unlimited 3G plan, for me and my usage needs, is a deal breaker.

    I'm a brand new Apple customer and as I am finding out over and over and over, I'm pretty pissed off. Nothing has been as they said and I really do feel lied to. And conveniently, this announcement came just past the "return" window. I can't even return the stupid thing when it stops doing what they told me it would do when I bought it.

    I can tell you what, after the experience I have had and these **** ant changes and Apple's convenient silence on them, I will never buy another Apple product again. Sure, I'll use this one, but never again.
    06-02-2010 03:04 PM
  19. west3man's Avatar
    I, too, feel like I've been a vicitim of bait and switch. The bottom line: I would not have purchased my iPad had they been honest about these changes at the device launch. The unlimited 3G plan, for me and my usage needs, is a deal breaker.

    I'm a brand new Apple customer and as I am finding out over and over and over, I'm pretty pissed off. Nothing has been as they said and I really do feel lied to. And conveniently, this announcement came just past the "return" window. I can't even return the stupid thing when it stops doing what they told me it would do when I bought it.

    I can tell you what, after the experience I have had and these **** ant changes and Apple's convenient silence on them, I will never buy another Apple product again. Sure, I'll use this one, but never again.
    Indeed. I'm glad to see someone holding Apple accountable, as well. There is no way that neither company saw this coming.

    This smells like a very deliberate screwing.

    No Vaseline.
    06-02-2010 03:13 PM
  20. whmurray's Avatar
    @cardfan
    whether a picture is 5 or 3 megapixels makes no difference, the full resolution is not being sent 90% of the time. If you are emailing them at full resolution then it makes a difference, but full res is not the default action in iPhone OS, and uploading to facebook/twitter is not the full res image either.

    Video chat isn't going to take you from 300MB to 2GB. Video chat over 3G (if it's even available) will use less bandwidth than YouTube over 3G, which has little impact on your data plan.

    This may be bad for the heavy users but for everyone else it's "hey your data plan can be $5 cheaper, or if you're a lite user, $15 cheaper!" which a lot of consumers will appreciate. And, establishing limits means ATT may be wiling to allow more things to happen over 3G.
    I think that his point is that we are going to be living with this plan for a long time while our demands will grow. Could we have imagined as recently as three years ago that we would have the (band-width hogging) applications that are routine today.

    AT&T has established that we will pay per gigabyte, used or unused, while AT&T's cost of delivering that gigabyte will drop by an order of magnitude. They have established the right to charge a premium for some applications, e.g., tethering, without regard to how intensively, or even whether, we use them to consume any bandwidth. Can you say "net neutrality?"

    We had all better hope that this pricing plan fails, that the FCC and FTC take it on, that AT&T's competitors take it on as an opportunity. While AT&T sweetens the dose by offering a lower entry price, it is not one that we want to live with for the long haul.
    06-02-2010 03:32 PM
  21. cardfan's Avatar
    @cardfan
    whether a picture is 5 or 3 megapixels makes no difference, the full resolution is not being sent 90% of the time. If you are emailing them at full resolution then it makes a difference, but full res is not the default action in iPhone OS, and uploading to facebook/twitter is not the full res image either.

    Video chat isn't going to take you from 300MB to 2GB. Video chat over 3G (if it's even available) will use less bandwidth than YouTube over 3G, which has little impact on your data plan.

    This may be bad for the heavy users but for everyone else it's "hey your data plan can be $5 cheaper, or if you're a lite user, $15 cheaper!" which a lot of consumers will appreciate. And, establishing limits means ATT may be wiling to allow more things to happen over 3G.
    I do see your point. And i'll even save money. My main concern is that data usage will only go up by virtue of simply upgrading and using the same features that will chew up more data.

    Hopefully AT&T will adjust in the future for it.
    06-02-2010 03:36 PM
  22. Lotus Esprit V8's Avatar
    It's been reported on numerous reliable sites. I would say that unfortunately it looks to be true. I would like to hear Apples response to this as Steve Jobs refereed to AT&T's iPad plan offerings as phenomenal back in January.
    06-02-2010 03:40 PM
  23. cr12#IM's Avatar
    try ordering one with 3g this morning and then hearing this crap.

    what a load of s***. this is why ive never switched to an iphone bc of at&T.
    06-02-2010 03:58 PM
  24. VLennert's Avatar
    It's true. It's on AT&T's Facebook page. Omg, people are PISSED. Go do a Facebook search on AT&T...its like 10 posts a second of people raging pissed off.

    On a positive note, I found a link to file a complaint with the Federal Trade Commission Bureau Of Consumer Protection:

    https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.go...x?Lang=en#last

    Go file a complaint. I think if enough people do - Apple will get called to the table over this crap.
    06-02-2010 04:18 PM
  25. Mustang5Oh's Avatar
    It's true. It's on AT&T's Facebook page. Omg, people are PISSED. Go do a Facebook search on AT&T...its like 10 posts a second of people raging pissed off.

    On a positive note, I found a link to file a complaint with the Federal Trade Commission Bureau Of Consumer Protection:

    https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.go...x?Lang=en#last

    Go file a complaint. I think if enough people do - Apple will get called to the table over this crap.

    there is nothing saying they can't charge for data useage. VzW CEO the other week said they are going to be doing the same thing soon. what is complete BS and something to talk to the FCC/FTC/BBB about is how AT&T is charging another $20 for tethering on top of the $25 for 2GB of data. Tethering is using data the same as streaming music or whatever. You have already paid for the data and they have the nerve to charge another $20 so you can use the feature? Screw you AT&T! Maybe they should be more grateful that iPhone SAVED their company from ruins and now they are starting to **** people off even more. Eventually the iPhone won't be on only AT&T and thats the day AT&T will regret screwing people.
    06-02-2010 04:22 PM
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