1. scottdoc718's Avatar
    I havent seen much talk on this but...

    My current AT&T iphone plan costs $20 for unlimited data and 200 text messages. I understand that the 3G plan will cost $30. But I dont know if the new 3G plan will include 200 text messages like the current plan does. I have seen a price of $5 to add 200 text messages. So... Does this mean that changing to the new iphone 3G from the original iphone and keeping 200 text messages will cost an extra $15/month, not the previosly advertised $10 extra month? Lets see.... $15 * 24 = $360 over two years....

    -Scott
    07-09-2008 01:37 PM
  2. Jeremy's Avatar
    200 = $5 1500 = $15 Unlimited = $20

    Please check out this thread for more info.

    http://forum.theiphoneblog.com/apple...-7-7-08-a.html

    *Please excuse my mistake on the 1500 text plan on being off $5... *
    Last edited by Jeremy Sikora; 07-09-2008 at 06:23 PM.
    07-09-2008 01:43 PM
  3. iLoveiPhones's Avatar
    I think the Blackberry's plan is the same. I would pay for data/voice/text for the iPhone over Blackberry's any day.
    07-09-2008 01:47 PM
  4. wingfan's Avatar
    I think the Blackberry's plan is the same. I would pay for data/voice/text for the iPhone over Blackberry's any day.
    It is the same, it's what I pay now for my Curve...
    07-09-2008 02:12 PM
  5. scottdoc718's Avatar
    So.... yet another hidden cost. I am surprised there isnt much talk of this. Makes the "reduced" price of an iphone 3G seem less attractive to an upgrader. Cost of upgrade over 2 years = $200 (phone) + $360 (3G data plan + 200 text meassages) = $560 (200 messages used to be included). $560 for GPS and 3G for 2 years? Thats over $23 a month extra for GPS and 3G (and a plastic back for the phone and shorter battery life). Worth it? I guess it depends on the person, but it is becoming less and less attractive for me. Seems very sneaky to me...

    -Scott
    07-09-2008 02:22 PM
  6. cjvitek's Avatar
    Maybe it's just me, but I don't consider it a "hidden cost". At least not in the way you do.

    All other phone plans require the additional cost for text messaging. I currently have a Treo (and will be getting the new iPhone), and I pay $5 for 200 messages.

    The only difference is that previously iPhone users got a break.

    Is it a way to make more money for ATT? Absolutely. Could they have continued the plan with $20, including 200 messages? Certainly. But all they are doing is really bringing the iPhone in line with their other smartphones/PDA's.

    But as I said, since I am not an existing iPhone user, maybe I have a different outlook. After all, I am going to switch to an iPhone, and my charge for text messages and data are going to remain the same.

    Chris
    07-09-2008 03:01 PM
  7. tony2979#CB's Avatar
    So.... yet another hidden cost. I am surprised there isnt much talk of this. Makes the "reduced" price of an iphone 3G seem less attractive to an upgrader. Cost of upgrade over 2 years = $200 (phone) + $360 (3G data plan + 200 text meassages) = $560 (200 messages used to be included). $560 for GPS and 3G for 2 years? Thats over $23 a month extra for GPS and 3G (and a plastic back for the phone and shorter battery life). Worth it? I guess it depends on the person, but it is becoming less and less attractive for me. Seems very sneaky to me...

    -Scott
    Scott....I have been thinking about this, and I think I have a way that you can resolve the issue that you have and really stick it to AT&T at the same time.

    You might consider not buying the phone.
    07-09-2008 03:06 PM
  8. Dionte's Avatar
    That price is outrageous, with sprint text is included with their every 69.99 plan, but if that's what it cost for me and my iphone to be together, I will just cut back on cable to make up the difference. Get rid of dvr and use media center to record tv shows.
    07-09-2008 03:09 PM
  9. Kupe#WP's Avatar
    So.... yet another hidden cost.
    If, by "hidden cost," you mean "standard cost," then you're right.
    07-09-2008 03:16 PM
  10. scottdoc718's Avatar
    But as I said, since I am not an existing iPhone user, maybe I have a different outlook. After all, I am going to switch to an iPhone, and my charge for text messages and data are going to remain the same.

    Chris
    Yes, of course. This is the point of my post, to weigh additional costs vs features for someone who is upgrading from the original iPhone.
    07-09-2008 04:46 PM
  11. scottdoc718's Avatar
    Scott....I have been thinking about this, and I think I have a way that you can resolve the issue that you have and really stick it to AT&T at the same time.

    You might consider not buying the phone.
    Certainly. That is the whole point of me starting this discussion. To try to decide if I want to buy the new phone.
    07-09-2008 04:47 PM
  12. Jeremy's Avatar
    Maybe it's just me, but I don't consider it a "hidden cost". At least not in the way you do.

    All other phone plans require the additional cost for text messaging. I currently have a Treo (and will be getting the new iPhone), and I pay $5 for 200 messages.

    The only difference is that previously iPhone users got a break.

    Is it a way to make more money for ATT? Absolutely. Could they have continued the plan with $20, including 200 messages? Certainly. But all they are doing is really bringing the iPhone in line with their other smartphones/PDA's.

    But as I said, since I am not an existing iPhone user, maybe I have a different outlook. After all, I am going to switch to an iPhone, and my charge for text messages and data are going to remain the same.

    Chris
    Exactly what I've said from the start. People need to stop complaining about the change of plan. All that at&t did was change the plan to be equal to all of their smartphone plans and blackberry plans. If that is too much or the person just thinks it is too much then I say don't buy it. That's what we get since people wanted a cheaper phone. Me personally I wish they kept the prices high and let me activate at home with the same plan... but... people wanted a cheaper phone... that's what we get.
    07-09-2008 04:50 PM
  13. Kupe#WP's Avatar
    If that is too much or the person just thinks it is too much then I say don't buy it.
    I predict sales of this phone won't be impacted by this "yet-another-hidden-cost" thinking at all.
    07-09-2008 04:57 PM
  14. Jeremy's Avatar
    I predict sales of this phone won't be impacted by this "yet-another-hidden-cost" thinking at all.
    I agree. I don't think that $10 a month is not going to make someone who really wants this phone or upgrade to this phone not want it. Not if someone who doesn't know much about it or is casually shopping for a phone. Possibly it may change their mind.
    07-09-2008 04:59 PM
  15. scottdoc718's Avatar
    If, by "hidden cost," you mean "standard cost," then you're right.
    No, I dont mean standard cost.

    This is not a standard cost for people like me who already have an iphone.
    I'm taking the POV of an upgrader, cause that's what I am.

    When you see all the advertising from AT&T and Apple, all you see is IPHONE PRICE CUT IN HALF TO $199!!!

    Then it just adds on from there for upgraders. First it is $10 more a month for 3G, which is expected. Then +$5 for text messages. No where do I see in thier advertising: NOW PAY AN EXTRA $5 FOR 200 TEXT MESSAGES!!. or MONTHLY PLANS START AT $70! Its buried in a web page somewhere. What % of upgraders waiting in line on Friday will know that they are now signing up for $60/year for text messaging that they got for free before? Of course you dont have to sign up for text messaging, and just pay $0.20 per text.

    Quite simply, I'm just looking to see how much it will cost me to have the same text messages on the new iphone. Its an extra $15 a month plus the cost of the phone.
    07-09-2008 05:07 PM
  16. scottdoc718's Avatar
    I predict sales of this phone won't be impacted by this "yet-another-hidden-cost" thinking at all.
    Most upgraders wont even realize that they have to pay for the new messages. So, yeah it probably wont affect sales.

    You shoud at least be aware of it though.

    I am just trying to understand what I am paying for, and be an educated consumer.
    07-09-2008 05:13 PM
  17. Jeremy's Avatar
    Most upgraders wont even realize that they have to pay for the new messages. So, yeah it probably wont affect sales.

    You shoud at least be aware of it though.

    I am just trying to understand what I am paying for, and be an educated consumer.
    I could care less of the 200 text messages disappearing... I pay for unlimited...
    07-09-2008 05:14 PM
  18. hey_WILL's Avatar
    200 = $5 1500 = $10 Unlimited = $20

    Please check out this thread for more info.

    http://forum.theiphoneblog.com/apple...-7-7-08-a.html
    check this link
    iPhone 3G, Exclusively from AT&T and Apple - | Wireless from AT&T, formerly Cingular
    its 5-200, 15-1500, and 20-unlim.
    07-09-2008 06:06 PM
  19. tx76mike's Avatar
    another thing that makes me think twice about getting in line on Friday...
    07-09-2008 06:08 PM
  20. Jeremy's Avatar
    Excuse me... I had the middle one wrong... Please forgive me...
    07-09-2008 06:19 PM
  21. hey_WILL's Avatar
    i was just throwing it out there. it wasn't ment to patronize you or anything.
    07-09-2008 06:45 PM
  22. Jeremy's Avatar
    i was just throwing it out there. it wasn't ment to patronize you or anything.
    No no no... I messed up... I deserve it.
    07-09-2008 06:47 PM
  23. scottdoc718's Avatar
    Oh yeah, I forgot the $18 upgrade fee too.
    07-09-2008 10:00 PM
  24. Kupe#WP's Avatar
    This is not a standard cost for people like me who already have an iphone.
    I'm taking the POV of an upgrader, cause that's what I am.
    Regardless of your POV, it's a standard cost - nothing hidden about the cost at all. If you choose to purchase a new phone - with that new phone's associated contract rates, it's your choice. That's hardly hidden. More accurately, your POV seems to be: you deserve special treatment. It's too late for that - the iPhone received it's special treatment last year, but Steve Jobs didn't sell as many phones as he'd hoped using HIS pricing approach, so now they're doing it AT&T's way.

    When you see all the advertising from AT&T and Apple, all you see is IPHONE PRICE CUT IN HALF TO $199!!!
    Quite true - the initial cost for possessing an 8GB iPhone 3G is 1/2 the cost of the original 8GB iPhone. Hmmm - which one do you think is subsidized?

    Then it just adds on from there for upgraders. First it is $10 more a month for 3G, which is expected.
    as has been the PDA plan for quite some time now (actually lower - the old price was $45 no matter what - it's nice to have choices).

    Then +$5 for text messages.
    As has been the case for quite some time now.

    No where do I see in thier advertising: NOW PAY AN EXTRA $5 FOR 200 TEXT MESSAGES!!. or MONTHLY PLANS START AT $70! Its buried in a web page somewhere.
    It's still published. It's not hidden. If someone chooses to ignore the published information or is incapable of understanding the math, it's hardly AT&T's problem.

    What % of upgraders waiting in line on Friday will know that they are now signing up for $60/year for text messaging that they got for free before?
    100% of the upgraders who know how to read. Probably close to 0% of the upgraders who choose not to read.

    Quite simply, I'm just looking to see how much it will cost me to have the same text messages on the new iphone. Its an extra $15 a month plus the cost of the phone.
    So, no surprises for you in line this Friday. See? Not hidden at all.
    07-09-2008 10:51 PM
  25. scottdoc718's Avatar
    I understand that text messaging costs money in general. I am not asking for special treatment. I just asked for clarification and pointed out the fact that 200 messages are now extra. I am sure some people (upgraders) were not aware, and thought I'd point it out. Everyone is saying that it costs $10 more a month for upgraders. It does not, if you previously had the 200 message plan, and dont drop it. The other text plans may cost more as well.
    07-09-2008 11:56 PM
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