1. Vortec 5.3's Avatar
    What was you're rationale for getting either one?

    Is the watch much heavier than the sport?

    I know one the sport is ionx and the watch is sapphire, but other than the hardness, do you see any differences?

    Any other differences or thoughts please add.

    Thanks in advance
    06-07-2015 09:32 AM
  2. Scatabrain's Avatar
    Price plain and simple.
    06-07-2015 09:38 AM
  3. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    The only differences are the following:

    Aluminum vs Stainless Steel (casing)
    IonX vs Sapphire (Display)

    Everything else is the same. Having said that, "I" find it unnecessary to get anything more than the sport model, and after having my Watch for over a month now without any damages whatsoever, I'm even more convinced of it. Furthermore, it's not like you're paying for additional storage space or anything. You're simply paying for stronger materials even though the ion x and aluminum are strong in their own right.
    Last edited by Just_Me_D; 06-08-2015 at 07:54 AM.
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    06-07-2015 09:55 AM
  4. kilofoxtrot's Avatar
    Speaking for myself. I have been a watch wearer for some time. I invariably scratch the crystal on all my non-sapphire watches. My sapphire crystal watches look perfect.

    I can't speak for the IonX crystal's durability. But I do know about sapphire... and thats why I went with it on the watch.

    Your watch crystal is exposed constantly to the knocks of everyday life and since you are wearing it as opposed to holding it like you do your phone. Your "guard" is down. At least thats the way it is for me.

    Good luck with your choice.... I think you will be happy with which ever way you go.
    06-07-2015 10:43 AM
  5. SnapThrow's Avatar
    Price... bought the "cheapest" version I could (other than being 42mm) because it's first-gen. Still cost over $500 after AppleCare+ and adding a black band, so "cheap" is absolutely a relative term.
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    06-07-2015 11:10 AM
  6. Maf C's Avatar
    I sold 2 42mm Sports which took the price of my SS BSB down down to 160 which made me happy. Had I not of taken that course of action i'd have gone with the Sport (don't think the SS is worth the extra)
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    06-07-2015 11:23 AM
  7. jschu22's Avatar
    The only differences are the following:

    Aluminum vs Stainless Steel (casing)
    IonX vs Sapphire (Display)

    Everything else is the same. Having said that, "I" find it unnecessary to get anything more than the sport model, and after having my Watch for over a month now without any damages whatsoever, I'm even more convinced of it. Furthermore, it's not like you're paying for additional storage space or anything. You're simply paying for technically two stronger materials even though the ion x and aluminum are strong in their own right.
    It may not matter as much as the other material differences but the back is ceramic on the Watch version vs composite on the Sport. There is also the extra detail on the crown which is purely cosmetic but consistent with many high end watches.
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    06-07-2015 12:19 PM
  8. Dave Marsh's Avatar
    The watch face is sapphire crystal on the stainless steel (& gold) model, and ion x glass (probably gorilla glass from Corning) on the aluminum one.

    The back is ceramic with added rings around the four sensors on the stainless (& gold) model, composite (resin?) on the aluminum model.

    Functionality is identical among all models. The stainless watch bodies cost $200 more than their aluminum counterparts. The primary discriminator among the models is the band selected, which cost from $50 - $450. The black Diamond Like Carbon (DLC) coating on the top stainless model tacks on $100.

    The gold models start at $10,000 to cover the gold cost, and the bling exclusivity some people desire.
    06-07-2015 03:28 PM
  9. Vortec 5.3's Avatar
    Has anyone wore the watch v the sport and can comment on the weight ? Is the sapphire easier to view than the ionx? I've read that the ionx is easier to view than the sapphire.. Do t k ow where I saw that.
    06-07-2015 04:07 PM
  10. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    Has anyone wore the watch v the sport and can comment on the weight ? Is the sapphire easier to view than the ionx? I've read that the ionx is easier to view than the sapphire.. Do t k ow where I saw that.
    May I offer a suggestion? Go to the nearest Apple Store and take a look at both models. Try them on, try the different band combinations and then choose which one is best for you.
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    06-07-2015 04:14 PM
  11. shief24's Avatar
    Does anyone know if stores offer walk in purchases now I'm heading to the USA this weekend and the Apple watch is 399 compared to the 519 price tag on Canada.
    06-07-2015 09:54 PM
  12. polo2883's Avatar
    It's not in stores yes on the U.S.
    06-07-2015 10:01 PM
  13. dusty78's Avatar
    As a watch guy who owns many high end watches of which my Apple Watch is the cheapest I know all about the need for quality materials. The only thing that can scratch sapphire is a diamond. The only thing that can scratch glass is everything.

    While the surface hardness of anodized aluminum is very strong it can scratch and ding. With the polished stainless steel case scratches are easily repaired with a watch polishing cloth. Aluminum requires the watch case to be re-anodized which will be costly if you can even find a shop willing to do it. Some will say that you can bead blast aluminum which is technically correct but it also results in removal of the anodizing which gives the aluminum it's strength.
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    06-08-2015 05:10 AM
  14. Bifurcated's Avatar
    What was you're rationale for getting either one?
    Having had my watch for a few days now, I'm going to say for almost everyone, the Sport is the right choice.

    The Apple Watch is an amazing product, but it is definitely a v1, and has some serious short-comings. When next year's model comes out, I think most of us will want to upgrade. It's really not worth spending the farm on a watch today, because you won't be keeping it.

    Equally, the Sport model is a very nice product, and you need not remotely feel you got second best.

    I get that a lot of people are worried about durability of glass versus sapphire, but again, you won't be keeping this watch beyond one year.
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    06-08-2015 07:29 AM
  15. jschu22's Avatar
    Having had my watch for a few days now, I'm going to say for almost everyone, the Sport is the right choice.

    The Apple Watch is an amazing product, but it is definitely a v1, and has some serious short-comings. When next year's model comes out, I think most of us will want to upgrade. It's really not worth spending the farm on a watch today, because you won't be keeping it.

    Equally, the Sport model is a very nice product, and you need not remotely feel you got second best.

    I get that a lot of people are worried about durability of glass versus sapphire, but again, you won't be keeping this watch beyond one year.
    I'm interested in knowing what these shortcomings are. I've quietly debated the likelihood of an annual update, even considering it being their first stab at a wearable.
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    06-08-2015 09:23 AM
  16. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    I'm interested in knowing what these shortcomings are. I've quietly debated the likelihood of an annual update, even considering it being their first stab at a wearable.
    In *my* opinion, its shortcomings are arguably user interface-based, and can be rectified via software updates. Personally, I don't have a problem with its design or build-quality and it's user interface, although not as intuitive as on the iPhone and iPad, can be grasped in a relatively short period of time.
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    06-08-2015 09:29 AM
  17. Bifurcated's Avatar
    Yes, to be fair, a lot of the issues are related to software. I expect that we'll even see some of these addressed in today's WWDC keynote. And yes, I agree that the build quality and design are fantastic.

    But the biggest issue is performance. Even with first-party apps. For example, when I tap on weather, at times it can take 5-10 seconds to load, by which point I could have easily have checked it on my phone. Notifications can take ages to propagate - for example a text message can take minutes to show up. The "raise wrist to turn on" function is slow and unreliable. Siri frequently stalls out and doesn't recognize that I'm speaking for several seconds after I invoke it. Some of this will certainly get improved in software, but I personally expect that fundamentally, hardware updates are going to be required to make this a smooth experience.
    06-08-2015 09:43 AM
  18. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    Yes, to be fair, a lot of the issues are related to software. I expect that we'll even see some of these addressed in today's WWDC keynote. And yes, I agree that the build quality and design are fantastic.
    Great

    But the biggest issue is performance. Even with first-party apps. For example, when I tap on weather, at times it can take 5-10 seconds to load, by which point I could have easily have checked it on my phone.
    I agree to a point, but all of my installed apps don't take that long, and the few that do, doesn't do it all the time.
    Notifications can take ages to propagate - for example a text message can take minutes to show up.
    I've yet to experience any issues with notifications. Mine are immediate.
    The "raise wrist to turn on" function is slow and unreliable.
    Not with me. It works 99% of the time, but I've had my Watch for over a month now so I know exactly how to get it to light up when I lift and turn my arm to check the time.
    Siri frequently stalls out and doesn't recognize that I'm speaking for several seconds after I invoke it.
    Again, I'm not having issues in this regard. Siri works extremely well on my Watch and I've told several people how accurate it and dictation is for me.
    Some of this will certainly get improved in software, but I personally expect that fundamentally, hardware updates are going to be required to make this a smooth experience.
    I agree with the first part, but not necessarily the second because it is still dependent on the iPhone for the most part. Let's hope that software updates will be all that's needed. Having said that, what I would like to be able to do is install a fresh copy of the watch's OS like I can with Apple's other devices. Erasing contents & settings is useless if the OS itself gets corrupted.
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    06-08-2015 09:58 AM
  19. Bifurcated's Avatar
    ...all of my installed apps don't take that long, and the few that do, doesn't do it all the time.
    That's the thing, though - from HCI, we know that intermittent performance issues are actually worse than predictable performance issues.

    I've yet to experience any issues with notifications.
    That's interesting - I'm certainly not alone with this, though - I've seen others reporting the same thing.

    Siri works extremely well on my Watch and I've told several people how accurate it and dictation is for me.
    Would be interested in hearing other peoples' experience, since it seems you and I are seeing just plain different behaviour. I'd say Siri activates correctly about two times in three.
    06-08-2015 10:07 AM
  20. RandGM's Avatar
    Sapphire screen = less chance of being scratched. Better resale value when 2.0 or 3.0 model comes around. Didn't like the brushed look as much.
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    06-08-2015 10:08 AM
  21. Just_Me_D's Avatar
    That's the thing, though - from HCI, we know that intermittent performance issues are actually worse than predictable performance issues.


    That's interesting - I'm certainly not alone with this, though - I've seen others reporting the same thing.


    Would be interested in hearing other peoples' experience, since it seems you and I are seeing just plain different behaviour. I'd say Siri activates correctly about two times in three.
    Don't get me wrong. I'm not debating you or anything like that. You have legitimate gripes that a good deal of people are experiencing. Some of the issues may be improved by unpairing and then pairing the watch again to the iPhone. Hopefully, Apple will surprise us with another update later today. Anyway, thanks for chiming in...
    06-08-2015 10:14 AM
  22. circlez's Avatar
    Here's my two cents about the Sport durability. I am an outdoor enthusiast, and currently own both a Space Gray Sport and a Suunto Ambit3 Sport. I AM more concerned about the Apple Watch in terms of durability..but not as much as I thought I would be. I opted for the 38 mm version and haven't felt nervous doing any of my daily routines with it...from running, rock climbing, weight lifting, kayaking, etc. I even dropped it the first day I had it when I was trying to put it on and it emerged unscathed. What it boils down to for me is that it is considerably smaller and lighter than any other watch that I currently own, and I feel as if given those two characteristics I am less likely to knock it or bang it against something and do damage to it, simply because it has so much smaller of a profile than my Suunto does. (And let me tell you, the Ambit 3 is a big watch).
    06-08-2015 10:19 AM
  23. Bifurcated's Avatar
    Don't get me wrong.
    On the contrary, it's actually heartening that it's all working well for you.
    06-08-2015 10:30 AM
  24. jschu22's Avatar
    The "raise wrist to turn on" function is slow and unreliable.
    I my experience with this watch compared to many other smart watches, it's excellent in regards to accurately and consistently responding with a wrist raise. I have even lauded the device for this specific performance.

    Even without comparing it to others I'd say this is a non-issue for my watch. Respectfully I think this is either an issue with the specific device or the user expectation being too high.
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    06-08-2015 11:17 AM
  25. Scatabrain's Avatar
    I feel wrist raise is a 'this bed is too soft thing. I like it more rather then less sensitive.
    06-08-2015 11:24 AM
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