1. Illustrator Joe's Avatar
    The Apple Watch, heart rate sensors, and wrist tattoos: What you need to know! | iMore

    So what are your guys thoughts? Personally I wasn't going to get a Apple Watch regardless but if I did I would not be happy to find out the heart rate sensor does not play nicely with tattoos.
    I assume Apple tested this, but it seems odd to me. That is a potentially large user base that can't use a huge function of the watch.
    Hopefully they can get it cleared up in an update or two.

    PS: Leave the your tattoos are gross and you will never get a job comments at the door because IDGAF.
    04-28-2015 02:50 PM
  2. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    The Apple Watch, heart rate sensors, and wrist tattoos: What you need to know! | iMore

    So what are your guys thoughts? Personally I wasn't going to get a Apple Watch regardless but if I did I would not be happy to find out the heart rate sensor does not play nicely with tattoos.
    I assume Apple tested this, but it seems odd to me. That is a potentially large user base that can't use a huge function of the watch.
    Hopefully they can get it cleared up in an update or two.

    PS: Leave the your tattoos are gross and you will never get a job comments at the door because IDGAF.
    When you say an update or two are you talking software updates? Because that's pretty much a hardware issue so I wouldn't hold out any hope for the first gen.

    "Large user base" I think is a stretch. I don't have stats in front of me but I'm sure a big chunk of the population doesn't have wrist tattoos so I don't really think Apple cares much.
    04-28-2015 02:54 PM
  3. kch50428's Avatar
    I can't believe that anyone would think a sensor that relies on reflected light waves would think that tattoo ink would NOT impact the light reflection and the sensor's capabilities...
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    04-28-2015 02:55 PM
  4. Illustrator Joe's Avatar
    I can't believe that anyone would think a sensor that relies on reflected light waves would think that tattoo ink would NOT impact the light reflection and the sensor's capabilities...
    Thanks for the nice way of calling me uneducated. Appreciate that.

    Seriously though how you became a moderator is beyond me. I cannot have any post that you don't respond to with some passive aggressive or snide comment.
    04-28-2015 02:57 PM
  5. JakePleasants's Avatar
    I'm not sure that it can be fixed with an update because if you read the literature from Apple regarding how the heart rate sensor works (it uses green and red lights to reflect off of the blood flow basically) then tattoos sound like they'd be a fundamental problem in the course of operation.
    04-28-2015 02:58 PM
  6. Illustrator Joe's Avatar
    When you say an update or two are you talking software updates? Because that's pretty much a hardware issue so I wouldn't hold out any hope for the first gen.

    "Large user base" I think is a stretch. I don't have stats in front of me but I'm sure a big chunk of the population doesn't have wrist tattoos so I don't really think Apple cares much.
    That is why I said "potentially". You guys say "I doubt apple cares" a lot on here. I think anyone willing to give them money they care about. The watch aimed at fitness people, many weightlifters have lots of tattoos. It may be "small" in the big picture, but I am hoping it is something they can get resolved if not through software in future products.
    04-28-2015 03:01 PM
  7. Illustrator Joe's Avatar
    I'm not sure that it can be fixed with an update because if you read the literature from Apple regarding how the heart rate sensor works (it uses green and red lights to reflect off of the blood flow basically) then tattoos sound like they'd be a fundamental problem in the course of operation.
    I haven't read up on it much. but how does this not effect someone with darker skin? I am sure I missed this thread somewhere. It must be dark skin pigment reacts differently than the artificial ink color.
    04-28-2015 03:02 PM
  8. kch50428's Avatar
    Thanks for the nice way of calling me uneducated. Appreciate that.
    Sorry you took it that way - certainly not my intent. I simply stated what is obvious to me after reading how the sensor pack works...
    04-28-2015 03:04 PM
  9. Illustrator Joe's Avatar
    Sorry you took it that way - certainly not my intent. I simply stated what is obvious to me after reading how the sensor pack works...
    I can't take this comment seriously, sorry.
    04-28-2015 03:05 PM
  10. JakePleasants's Avatar
    I haven't read up on it much. but how does this not effect someone with darker skin? I am sure I missed this thread somewhere. It must be dark skin pigment reacts differently than the artificial ink color.
    I would imagine that even with darker skin that it still has a natural translucency that would essentially be annihilated by solid ink.

    I can't take this comment seriously, sorry.
    Don't take it personally. His grumpiness has been a topic in other threads as well, so don't think it's anything you did. You simply didn't read up on exactly how the sensor works, along with every other Apple Watch owner with the exception of maybe five of us who were curious.
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    04-28-2015 03:38 PM
  11. John Yester's Avatar
    [INFO]In short, Apple uses various spectrums of light to track the blood flow through your skin. Anything that reduces that light's reflectiveness — ink pigmentation within your skin, for example — can interfere with that sensor.[/INFO]

    Nobody is being grumpy, lol. It was a question and a statement was given.
    04-28-2015 03:45 PM
  12. kch50428's Avatar
    Don't take it personally. His grumpiness has been a topic in other threads as well, so don't think it's anything you did.
    "Grumpiness"?? Are you being ageist? I simply and mater of factly stated my opinion based on knowledge gained in reading about the sensors. Sorry if that bothers you.
    04-28-2015 03:48 PM
  13. Illustrator Joe's Avatar
    [INFO]In short, Apple uses various spectrums of light to track the blood flow through your skin. Anything that reduces that light's reflectiveness — ink pigmentation within your skin, for example — can interfere with that sensor.[/INFO]

    Nobody is being grumpy, lol. It was a question and a statement was given.
    I disagree. I have gotten private messages from other users asking me what his issue is. I am not the only one clearly. iMore forums have not been a pleasant place for me as of late, but if you guys want to deny it you may be losing more and more active members. But whatever I am over it.
    04-28-2015 03:49 PM
  14. Illustrator Joe's Avatar
    "Grumpiness"?? Are you being ageist? I simply and mater of factly stated my opinion based on knowledge gained in reading about the sensors. Sorry if that bothers you.
    Lol at "ageist". What a joke. Anyone young or old can be "grumpy" good try.
    04-28-2015 03:50 PM
  15. John Yester's Avatar
    Illustrator Joe,

    If you wish to discuss this further in private, please do so with me or our Community Manager. Otherwise continue with the discussion of the thread topic.
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    04-28-2015 03:51 PM
  16. HankAZ's Avatar
    Thanks for the nice way of calling me uneducated. Appreciate that.

    Seriously though how you became a moderator is beyond me. I cannot have any post that you don't respond to with some passive aggressive or snide comment.
    Check the attitude, man. No one called you anything. Clearly you are looking for a fight. Not going to find it here.

    Moving on.
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    04-28-2015 03:58 PM
  17. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    That is why I said "potentially". You guys say "I doubt apple cares" a lot on here. I think anyone willing to give them money they care about. The watch aimed at fitness people, many weightlifters have lots of tattoos. It may be "small" in the big picture, but I am hoping it is something they can get resolved if not through software in future products.
    There are plenty of people that say "I wish the iPhone did this and that and if it did I'd switch in a heartbeat." They're willing to spend money but it doesn't mean Apple will cater to them. All I said was don't hold out any hope that it will be resolved with the current gen watch. Future watch? Yeah, maybe. But that's really all you can say in this discussion.

    And the last thing weightlifters care about is their heartbeat during a workout.

    Enjoy the rest of your day, Joe.
    04-28-2015 03:58 PM
  18. iEd's Avatar
    I guess I'm out with the heart rate sensor.




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    04-28-2015 04:08 PM
  19. Illustrator Joe's Avatar
    Check the attitude, man. No one called you anything. Clearly you are looking for a fight. Not going to find it here.

    Moving on.
    Ha, "not going to find it here".
    I wasn't looking for any sort of fight. That would be counterproductive.
    04-28-2015 04:08 PM
  20. Illustrator Joe's Avatar
    I guess I'm out with the heart rate sensor.

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    It appears that way
    04-28-2015 04:08 PM
  21. Illustrator Joe's Avatar
    Illustrator Joe,

    If you wish to discuss this further in private, please do so with me or our Community Manager. Otherwise continue with the discussion of the thread topic.
    Done.
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    04-28-2015 04:09 PM
  22. Illustrator Joe's Avatar
    There are plenty of people that say "I wish the iPhone did this and that and if it did I'd switch in a heartbeat." They're willing to spend money but it doesn't mean Apple will cater to them. All I said was don't hold out any hope that it will be resolved with the current gen watch. Future watch? Yeah, maybe. But that's really all you can say in this discussion.

    And the last thing weightlifters care about is their heartbeat during a workout.

    Enjoy the rest of your day, Joe.
    I do crossfit and heartrate is pretty important and lots of men and women at my place have full sleeves. It is common around these parts.

    But good points and thank you.
    Thanks for approaching the subject constructively and not assuming I am less educated..
    04-28-2015 04:10 PM
  23. iEd's Avatar
    The whole piece.



    I could wear it on my right wrist which is empty right now lol.


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    04-28-2015 04:15 PM
  24. zerog46's Avatar
    I guess I'm out with the heart rate sensor.

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    I think you may actually be okay since it's not a total cover. Just my opinion.


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    04-28-2015 04:18 PM
  25. iEd's Avatar
    I think you may actually be okay since it's not a total cover. Just my opinion.


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    Possibly. I'm still going to get the watch.


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    04-28-2015 04:21 PM
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