1. Suggs68's Avatar
    Did my first run with the watch, and used Runkeeper. For serious runners, the Apple watch exercise app is too basic without real stats or GPS functionality, so apps like Runkeeper or Endomondo will be required.
    I did a 4 mile run with Runkeeper today, and it wasn't bad, but definitely needs work. Part of is was me getting used to the phone.

    I should have adjusted the setting so that the last app used would appear when I raise my wrist instead of the time. Because of that, every time the display went off when I lowered my wrist, it would go back to the clock when I wanted to check my progress, so I had to go to the apps and choose RK.

    Also, with RK, the watch display isn't customizable, yet at least. So the Pace field, which is what I'm most interested in, was small and the duration was large. I would switch those if I could.

    Also, not sure if it's because RK isn't integrated with the Apple exercise app, but I didn't get any notifications on the watch when I hit a mile distance, but if I Use the stock Apple app, it will display on the screen and tap my wrist when I hit a mile.

    Like I said, it was ok but needs improvement.

    Now in looking at Endomondo, I can see that the display is totally customizable with several fields, but I can't figure out who to use the damn thing. On the watch Endo app, it keeps saying to log in to the iPhone App, which I've already done, and I adjusted the watch display from the iPhone. Then I just went back to the iPhone app and it says no Apple watch detected. Has anyone else tried Endo on the watch yet?
    04-25-2015 02:16 PM
  2. Mscatinboston's Avatar
    Tx for the report. I have not received my watch yet but I use RK all the time. Info is good to know. Tx.
    04-25-2015 02:21 PM
  3. UKFan643's Avatar
    I would assume a lot of those issues would be fixed once RK can be a native app on the phone. And, of course, when future watches have built in GPS.
    04-25-2015 03:01 PM
  4. Suggs68's Avatar
    I would assume a lot of those issues would be fixed once RK can be a native app on the phone. And, of course, when future watches have built in GPS.
    I'm sure you're right. Now I just want to figure out Endomondo. With the watch display options, it should be perfect for my needs, but it won't work. Can someone let me know if they can get it running on the watch? Hoping I'm just doing something wrong.
    04-25-2015 03:06 PM
  5. bilbothejust's Avatar
    Hi Suggs68. Same here, so I logged out of Endomundo on the phone, had the Endomundo app open on the watch and after re-logging in on the iPhone then go to Settings in Endomundo and configure the Apple watch. Works great. Hope this helps
    04-25-2015 03:17 PM
  6. Suggs68's Avatar
    Thanks slot Bilbo. Worked great. Now just need to run again.
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    04-25-2015 04:29 PM
  7. Bifurcated's Avatar
    Good info, thanks. Whatever Endomondo's hiccups, I'm sure they will get addressed in an update soon. Can't wait until these apps can make use of the HRM in the watch.
    04-25-2015 04:35 PM
  8. SmartFah's Avatar
    Is the MapMyRun app available for the Watch?
    That's my favorite running app.
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    04-25-2015 05:43 PM
  9. abalboa3's Avatar
    I tried using the Apple Workout app and hoped that it would sync over to the Nike+ app. Unfortunately, it doesn't so then I have to manually enter the run in to the Nike app.

    The Workout app does a great job of notifying you at different stages of your run and display relevant info during the run. I just feel that it needs an app on the iPhone to give a more detailed look of each run. Both the Activity and Workout apps on the watch need a more fleshed out app on the iPhone.
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    04-25-2015 05:53 PM
  10. Suggs68's Avatar
    So I ran yesterday with the watch and used Runkeeper. It was ok, but I'm not crazy about the Runkeeper interface of the watch which is not customizable at all.
    Today I ran a 5 mile race with the Watch and used Endomondo. I'm not using the stock Apple Exercise app on the watch since it doesn't provide any real details on the run or mapping tools with the GPS.
    Endomondo is MUCH better than Runkeeper on the watch. I tweaked the interface so it had the fields I care most about up front (pace, average pace and distance), with secondary fields a swipe away.
    There are some definite limitations at this point though, and I think it's more with the Watch than Endomondo, and hopefully these will get fixed in an update. First, the watch had my distance at 4.8 miles after the race, and not 5, which it definitely should have been. I could ignore a few hundreds of a mile either way, but 2 tenths is way too much of a variance. Not sure if this is an issue with the Endomondo app or the GPS on the iPhone, but I always used to find the iPhone's GPS more accurate when I used to run with it.
    Also, when I want to look at my watch to check my pace or distance, especially in a race like today. I have to wait for the screen to wake up, which is pretty fast and no big deal, but then I need to wait for the app to show my current stats. when it woke up, it was still showing the stats from the last time I checked it and it had to refresh, which took a couple of seconds each time. This is a big deal. To have to keep your wrist up to wait for the screen to refresh will cause you to slow down and take your eyes off the road. Not good for any runner if you're trying to maintain a pace.
    Minor issues were the same as Runkeeper. Neither app is integrated with the Apple exercise app, so I don't get any taps on my wrist when I hit each mile. And the lack of integration with the heart sensor is also a major missed opportunity but I'd like to this that will get resolved with an update.
    Now I'm coming off using a Microsoft Band since October, and a Pebble before that (yes, I love my wearables). This is probably the one area the Band beats the watch, at least for now. Yes, the Band has a very accurate GPS built in, but I had the ability to keep the screen on throughout a run, which means it doesn't have to refresh the data. Even if I turned the screen off and then on again when I wanted to check my stats, the refresh was very quick. It would be better if there was a setting to keep the screen on without timing out. Yes it would eat the battery but I think most runners would want that. And speaking about the battery, I was pleasantly surprised. It was down to about 95% when I started the race, and after a little over 30 minutes with endomondo running and lots of data going between the watch & phone, it only dropped to 88% by the time I was done. I expected a bigger hit to the battery with a run like that.
    I'm hoping these issues get fixed with updates, because I really do like the Watch so far. I would also think Apple would update their exercise app to make it more full-featured and GPS-enabled.
    04-26-2015 03:16 PM
  11. Bifurcated's Avatar
    Very interesting.

    Re distance: are you sure the course really was a full 5 miles? I've definitely run courses which weren't exactly the advertised distance. I'd be surprised if the watch introduced error, since the distance is being computed by Endomondo on your phone, and in theory your watch should have nothing to do with it.

    Re functionality - the current Watch API is limited. I expect that a lot will improve when Apple releases an API allowing the development of native Watch apps. People are guessing this will be announced at WWDC in June. But even if it is, who knows when it will actually be available for developers to use. Hopefully we won't have to wait for iOS 9 in the fall.
    04-26-2015 03:23 PM
  12. dov1978's Avatar
    I just sold the Samsung Gear S to order the Apple Watch. Endomondo was by far the best running app on that too and I had a similar experience to yours on that too. I was hoping this might replace my trusty old Garmin Forerunner 205 but we'll see in time
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    04-26-2015 03:26 PM
  13. Suggs68's Avatar
    Yeah the course was pretty exact. I ran it last weekend with my Band and it showed as 5.01, and it's a pretty popular annual race so it's accurate. Even if it was off a bit, 2/10ths is a lot.
    And yeah, once Apple allows more control by developers I'm sure most of this will get solved. Most of the issues I can chalk up to a V1 device. Not a deal breaker at all.
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    04-26-2015 03:29 PM
  14. Quackinup's Avatar
    I should have adjusted the setting so that the last app used would appear when I raise my wrist instead of the time. Because of that, every time the display went off when I lowered my wrist, it would go back to the clock when I wanted to check my progress, so I had to go to the apps and choose RK.
    If you double click the crown it will return you to the last app you were running.
    04-27-2015 09:54 AM
  15. Suggs68's Avatar
    If you double click the crown it will return you to the last app you were running.
    Yeah I know. During a hard run its a lot of effort to use both hands like that :-) Just easier to raise the wrist and see the most recent app in that case.

    And I just ran again with Endo, and the distance was within 2/100ths of a mile, so much better. Not sure why it was so far off yesterday.
    04-27-2015 10:22 AM
  16. CrucialTK's Avatar
    Interesting to hear about Edomondo. I've a half marathon I'm running on Sunday and really hope my watch comes in by then. I'm running this evening, Wednesday, and Friday, and I'm really hoping I get it by wednesday so I have two runs where I can try out the MapMyRun app for the watch vs. the Apple activity app. Because I also have the pebble (And that integrates with mapmyrun) I thought about not installing the MMR app on the watch, and using the Apple workout app so I can get HR readings while running, and doing the MMR app on my phone so I can see my splits and everything on my pebble. Gonna be an interesting race!
    04-27-2015 10:53 AM
  17. Suggs68's Avatar
    Interesting to hear about Edomondo. I've a half marathon I'm running on Sunday and really hope my watch comes in by then. I'm running this evening, Wednesday, and Friday, and I'm really hoping I get it by wednesday so I have two runs where I can try out the MapMyRun app for the watch vs. the Apple activity app. Because I also have the pebble (And that integrates with mapmyrun) I thought about not installing the MMR app on the watch, and using the Apple workout app so I can get HR readings while running, and doing the MMR app on my phone so I can see my splits and everything on my pebble. Gonna be an interesting race!
    Good luck in the half. I don't think you'll want the stock Apple app for that, since it only shows pace, not average pace, and you need to scroll between screens to see other stats like distance or duration. Endo seems like the best in terms of customization and data. depends on how anal you are with the stats. I'm a stats junkie so I like to see a bunch of different fields when I run and after.
    04-27-2015 11:11 AM
  18. Bifurcated's Avatar
    Yeah I know. During a hard run its a lot of effort to use both hands like that :-) Just easier to raise the wrist and see the most recent app in that case.
    Sounds like an obvious fix we'd want to see, to be able to make an app "sticky" so it's the default thing showing. Apple already does that for their own fitness app, so I bet it will arrive for other fitness apps in time.
    04-27-2015 12:19 PM
  19. voodoogmr's Avatar
    Do any of these apps provide run/walk interval alerts? That seems to be a feature that most iPhone apps don't even have. This is the main reason I also own a Garmin Forerunner 220.
    04-27-2015 01:38 PM
  20. Suggs68's Avatar
    Do any of these apps provide run/walk interval alerts? That seems to be a feature that most iPhone apps don't even have. This is the main reason I also own a Garmin Forerunner 220.
    not at the moment, with the exception of Apple's stock app, but that one is very bare-bones. Runkeeper and Endomondo can be set up to give audio alerts for intervals/laps, but no taptic alert like Apple's app has, which is disappointing.
    04-27-2015 01:43 PM
  21. voodoogmr's Avatar
    not at the moment, with the exception of Apple's stock app, but that one is very bare-bones. Runkeeper and Endomondo can be set up to give audio alerts for intervals/laps, but no taptic alert like Apple's app has, which is disappointing.
    Yeah, the stock app is pretty basic. It seems you can only get preset distance intervals, but not one based on time. I train using programmed time intervals (like run for 3 minutes, walk for 30 seconds). Easy to do on the Garmin. Hopefully this is something devs will add in the future.
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    04-27-2015 01:56 PM
  22. CrucialTK's Avatar
    I actually plan to use the Pebble for the stats info (I love all that stuff also). I thought the workout app had to be used to get the heartrate measurement which was more often than the 10 minute interval?
    04-27-2015 03:15 PM
  23. David Hroncheck's Avatar
    not at the moment, with the exception of Apple's stock app, but that one is very bare-bones. Runkeeper and Endomondo can be set up to give audio alerts for intervals/laps, but no taptic alert like Apple's app has, which is disappointing.
    Keep an eye out for an upcoming update to iSmoothRun with Watch support. There's no better app for runners; Custom intervals, customisable voice prompts, support for several sensors and displays, cadence, hydration and nutrition alarms, heart rate recovery and zone controls, data saves to Health app, Dropbox or 20 other destinations. I'm not affiliated, but I've tracked over 20K km running since 2007 using phone GPS apps, and with those I've used BT heart rate monitors continuously since 2009.

    We don't have the Watch yet here in Sweden, but I'm getting one knowing that sport tracking apps on the Watch will be limited until devs get the full SDK. I'm quite interested in the Watch to replace my BT HRM chest straps.
    04-28-2015 07:40 AM
  24. tyler_barnhardt's Avatar
    I will start off by saying that I am not a hard core runner my any means. In fact, I'm not even a runner I'm more of a jogger. I have used the Nike+ app on my phone for about a year now. I tried out the workout app on the watch yesterday and did not take my phone with me. I was pleasantly surprised with how well it did. I jogged with my mom and she took along her galaxy gear (bless). Our results were almost identical. Also, speaking to some of your problems like having to always go back to the app to view your stats. That does not happen when you are in the workout app on the watch. Every time I raised my wrist I was able to quickly view my pace. If I was interested in my distance or time it was only a quick swipe away. Although I left it on pace for majority of the jog. It also would tap my wrist when I hit milestones. When I got back home it synced instantly for my phone into my health app and the new workout app. I received an award and I was done. It was great. Didn't even have to think about it and it was very accurate. Again, I am a casual runner but I enjoyed it more than I thought. Do I wish there was a gps on the watch? Of course but I can live without it. Just my two cents about the app.
    04-28-2015 01:44 PM
  25. impaler's Avatar
    Honest question to Suggs88...what stats does RunKepper provide that the stock Workout app on the Watch doesn't? I ran a 5K on Saturday, and used the Workout app for an outdoor run. With my iPhone in hand, it tracked pace, distance, heartbeat, elapsed time and progress ring. It was enough for me. It also turned out to be quite accurate. I use RunKepper as the ultimate repository for my exercise, since it captures walks, and other stuff. I find the stock Watch app to be on par with RunKeeper, and both require the phone anyway. It doesn't appear you've tried this app - but I can attest it's pretty good. I do wish I could share achievements, stats, and runs with Twitter, as I do with RunKeeper.

    Also, as tyler_barnhardt says, when I was using the Workout app, the display remained on the workout screen the entire time.
    Last edited by impaler; 04-28-2015 at 04:53 PM. Reason: Spelling correction.
    04-28-2015 02:42 PM
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