1. HankAZ's Avatar
    Maybe you are ok paying surcharges, convenience fees and order processing fees but I am not. Ticketmaster is organized scalping.
    I suppose that you work for free, correct? I'd hate to think that you are profiting off of someone else's business investment.
    04-14-2015 12:29 AM
  2. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    Now I feel like picking one up and Periscoping my sale of the watch to you guys.
    04-14-2015 12:35 AM
  3. jean15paul's Avatar
    Now I feel like picking one up and Periscoping my sale of the watch to you guys.
    Periscoping?
    04-14-2015 12:36 AM
  4. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    Periscoping?
    Periscope by Twitter, Inc.
    https://appsto.re/us/TXw_5.i
    04-14-2015 12:38 AM
  5. Scatabrain's Avatar
    I'm okay not being a cheapskate and paying a little extra for convenience.
    Ok. So much for your face value line. Not allowing myself to be gauged (spelling?) makes me responsible not a cheap skate.

    I don't mind the name calling. It is the last line of defense for an indefensible argument.

    On topic: Very proud of Apple for limiting abuse of this rollout.


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    04-14-2015 12:38 AM
  6. jean15paul's Avatar
    Periscope by Twitter, Inc.
    https://appsto.re/us/TXw_5.i
    Oh. Duh. Nevermind
    04-14-2015 12:41 AM
  7. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    Ok. So much for your face value line. Not allowing myself to be gauged (spelling?) makes me responsible not a cheap skate.
    You get the tickets at face value and you're paying them for that service they made easy for you. Or you could sit in traffic and purchase the tickets at the box office of the arena or stadium the event will be in, pay for parking and come away with the tickets at the very same cost as they came to you from ticketmaster including their fees.
    04-14-2015 12:45 AM
  8. Scatabrain's Avatar
    I suppose that you work for free, correct? I'd hate to think that you are profiting off of someone else's business investment.
    I don't create a monopoly and gauge my customers. Same thing (in a vastly smaller scale) scalpers do when they grab a preorder and ebay it.


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    04-14-2015 12:46 AM
  9. Beyond Fire's Avatar
    I wonder how much that 6+ cost you and how much it cost Apple to make it? Hmm


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    04-14-2015 12:48 AM
  10. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    I don't create a monopoly and gauge my customers. Same thing (in a vastly smaller scale) scalpers do when they grab a preorder and ebay it.


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    Who is creating the monopoly in this case?
    04-14-2015 12:48 AM
  11. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    Not going to repeat myself. Not really sure why anyone would bother to defend scalping.


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    You don't even understand what the word actually means...and you assign it to things incorrectly because you have an agenda here to push your little entitled bratty attitude as the "right" opposing the "wrong". It's absolutely hilarious to me that you feel this way...that you generalize this to such an extreme, but you have such little understanding what you are actually representing.

    Don't mind that at all. Just like if your partner got mad about preorder and you had to sell it, fine. The problem is buying it for profit.
    Except that is NOT what you're sticking to...you're saying that anyone who sells a product for a profit after they've purchased it is "wrong". You go into such an opinion having no earthly idea why any other person buys a device, but you feel comfortable assigning such a label as "scalper" to any person who makes a profit on it (you admitted that by your own words here).

    If I buy an Apple Watch, and decide that at the time, I'd rather have more money than the device itself...how on EARTH am I doing something wrong by selling it for more than I bought it for if people are willing to pay this? It's not scalping, it's basic economics...I'm supplying for a demand! It's really as simple as that...yet you keep throwing around this word "scalper/ing" as if it's even remotely relevant (which it is not)...you should educate yourself on the actual definition of the word, and then learn what basic supply and demand is in terms of making profit.

    You might as well call it profiteering lol! It'd be no less ridiculous than what you're trying to argue calling it scalping.
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    04-14-2015 12:50 AM
  12. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    I don't create a monopoly and gauge my customers. Same thing (in a vastly smaller scale) scalpers do when they grab a preorder and ebay it.


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    Again, you have no clue what you're even arguing here...how is this even REMOTELY a monopoly? People can still get the product for the normal retail cost, they just have to go through a waiting process. There's no scenario where the product is ONLY available from those who are selling them at increased cost...and people are not simply paying extra for the product alone...once again, people are paying for the product PLUS the convenience of not having to wait in line or stay up until 4am to pre-order or wait several weeks for back orders to fulfill. These are the conveniences the extra cost buys you...

    How you assign the word "scalping" to this is beyond me...you might as well call it giraffe'ing, because calling it scalping makes about as much sense.
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    04-14-2015 12:55 AM
  13. Beyond Fire's Avatar
    You don't even understand what the word actually means...and you assign it to things incorrectly because you have an agenda here to push your little entitled bratty attitude as the "right" opposing the "wrong". It's absolutely hilarious to me that you feel this way...that you generalize this to such an extreme, but you have such little understanding what you are actually representing.

    Except that is NOT what you're sticking to...you're saying that anyone who sells a product for a profit after they've purchased it is "wrong". You go into such an opinion having no earthly idea why any other person buys a device, but you feel comfortable assigning such a label as "scalper" to any person who makes a profit on it (you admitted that by your own words here).

    If I buy an Apple Watch, and decide that at the time, I'd rather have more money than the device itself...how on EARTH am I doing something wrong by selling it for more than I bought it for if people are willing to pay this? It's not scalping, it's basic economics...I'm supplying for a demand! It's really as simple as that...yet you keep throwing around this word "scalper/ing" as if it's even remotely relevant (which it is not)...you should educate yourself on the actual definition of the word, and then learn what basic supply and demand is in terms of making profit.

    You might as well call it profiteering lol! It'd be no less ridiculous than what you're trying to argue calling it scalping.
    Come on Sean, how are you gonna argue with someone who is "scatterbrained" Lol
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    04-14-2015 12:56 AM
  14. Scatabrain's Avatar
    Not going to bother with semantics. Ticketmaster creates a monopoly of sorts. As I said a single scalper uses the same scarcity to his advantage. Same principle on a much smaller scale.


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    04-14-2015 12:59 AM
  15. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    Not going to bother with semantics. Ticketmaster creates a monopoly of sorts. As I said a single scalper uses the same scarcity to his advantage. Same principle on a much smaller scale.


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    You have zero argument here, that is why you're not going to bother...you have nothing legitimate to respond with. This isn't semantics, this is logic being introduced to an absolutely asinine argument that you made and now that you've been presented with a factual and strong opposition, you're giving up. I don't blame you...you should have never presented your side of the "debate" to begin with.
    04-14-2015 01:01 AM
  16. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    Not going to bother with semantics. Ticketmaster creates a monopoly of sorts. As I said a single scalper uses the same scarcity to his advantage. Same principle on a much smaller scale.


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    Then by your reasoning Apple is the monopoly here yet you continue to purchase their products. That's why I asked that question in my last quoted post to you.
    04-14-2015 01:03 AM
  17. Scatabrain's Avatar
    Then by your reasoning Apple is the monopoly here yet you continue to purchase their products. That's why I asked that question in my last quoted post to you.
    No no. They make and sell the product direct. Anyone else is taking advantage and creating shady markets.


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    04-14-2015 01:10 AM
  18. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    No no. They make and sell the product direct. Anyone else is taking advantage and creating shady markets.


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    When I buy a product, it becomes my product...when I sell my product, I am selling it direct. Again, your argument makes zero sense. None.

    And then you create these words like "shady markets"...what does that even mean? I guess the entirety of Barrett Jackson Auto Auctions is a "shady market" because people are selling cars for a profit in such a way...lol!

    I mean in your world, those 1960's hotrods that only cost a few thousand bucks back in the 60's should be sold for what they cost back then, otherwise the person is scalping them, and partaking in a "shady market".

    Forgive me for laughing my A$$ off at such logic.
    04-14-2015 01:13 AM
  19. Scatabrain's Avatar
    You have zero argument here, that is why you're not going to bother...you have nothing legitimate to respond with. This isn't semantics, this is logic being introduced to an absolutely asinine argument that you made and now that you've been presented with a factual and strong opposition, you're giving up. I don't blame you...you should have never presented your side of the "debate" to begin with.
    My argument is simple and direct. No reason to over complicate it. My opinion is based on my own experiences. I think my examples illustrate how I see it well enough.


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    04-14-2015 01:14 AM
  20. HankAZ's Avatar
    I don't create a monopoly and gauge my customers. Same thing (in a vastly smaller scale) scalpers do when they grab a preorder and ebay it.
    The word is gouge. And the process that you are complaining about is actually the free market at work. Supply and demand. Nothing illegal, and, frankly, nothing immoral about it. And where is the monopoly? There are a plethora of "smart watches" on the market. Some good, some bad. But all can be had for the going rate.

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    04-14-2015 01:16 AM
  21. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    My argument is simple and direct. No reason to over complicate it. My opinion is based on my own experiences. I think my examples illustrate how I see it well enough.


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    I'm not over complicating anything, I'm offering pure and concise logic on the discussion...something that completely eludes your side of the fence here. You say it's based on your own experience...why not call it terrorism? I mean you're assigning your own meaning to words to support your argument, it wouldn't be too far fetched to do so would it?
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    04-14-2015 01:18 AM
  22. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    By the way, the Apple Watch is still available for the same prices directly from Apple. Anyone is free to order from them still.
    04-14-2015 01:19 AM
  23. HankAZ's Avatar
    No no. They make and sell the product direct. Anyone else is taking advantage and creating shady markets.
    By your own definition, then, places like Best Buy, B&H, and all other retailers would be "shady markets". Sorry, none of this even makes sense.
    04-14-2015 01:20 AM
  24. Scatabrain's Avatar
    The word is gouge. And the process that you are complaining about is actually the free market at work. Supply and demand. Nothing illegal, and, frankly, nothing immoral about it. And where is the monopoly? There are a plethora of "smart watches" on the market. Some good, some bad. But all can be had for the going rate.

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    Guess you missed my parenthetical saying I thought spelling was wrong. Again if thats all you have to come back with I must have scored. Lots of ways to exploit the free market. Doesn't make it right.


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    04-14-2015 01:22 AM
  25. Scatabrain's Avatar
    By your own definition, then, places like Best Buy, B&H, and all other retailers would be "shady markets". Sorry, none of this even makes sense.
    Wrong. Apple demands they sell at same price. Man this is too easy.


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    04-14-2015 01:23 AM
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