1. mike80421's Avatar
    Will probably sell my 42mm Sport Silver white band with extra black band since I think I like the Space Grey with black band better. On Apple's web site I didn't like it but in person it looks much better.
    04-13-2015 06:53 PM
  2. Scatabrain's Avatar
    Nope...by definition, it's only scalping if you went to said concert/game, bought the $100 ticket but the $75 tickets were still available for purchase AT the event. People have taken the term and falsely attributed it to scenarios that are simply not relevant.



    This is absurd...and I'll tell you why. NOBODY is entitled to these devices as soon as they are available...not one single person. I bought an Apple Watch for my wife...if I decide to sell it instead of giving it to her, and someone is willing to pay even $1 of increased value over retail, they are paying for convenience and accessibility. No one is FORCING them to buy it, nor is anyone making them pay for the ability to have something they don't have access to right now...

    You're trying to make it seem like the seller prevented this person from buying something that was rightfully theirs to buy, and that is absolutely asinine (and part of the problem with the world today...the entitlement issues I see day to day are mind numbing).
    Sorry you feel that way. They abused the hot launch for their profit. Not for the enjoyment of the product.




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    04-13-2015 10:12 PM
  3. HankAZ's Avatar
    Sorry you feel that way. They abused the hot launch for their profit. Not for the enjoyment of the product.
    Abused? As in "got up" or "stayed up" and purchased when they went on sale? How is that abusing anything. If you were that hot on getting one, you should have got your b*tt out of bed and ordered one.

    There were 4 options to everyone:
    1. Get up/stay up and order it.
    2. Wait for yours because you slept through the launch.
    3. Pay the going rate.
    4. Pass on buying one.

    The entitlement mentality has totally ruined society. But here's your ribbon for participating.
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    04-13-2015 10:23 PM
  4. Scatabrain's Avatar
    This makes no sense. So by placing my pre-order I'm forcing someone? I'm not forcing anyone. The simple fact is if I had missed my alarm for example. I missed the pre-order completely. I go to Ebay and see them selling for $300 above what Apple is selling it for. I head to Apple's site and the shipping is June. I would pick June and WAIT. If people were just patient guess what would happen to every Watch on Ebay? They would either be returned to Apple, sold at cost or sold for a loss.
    Imagine it at an extreme where scalpers were the only way to get a launch product. That will give you some idea of why I think its wrong. To me running out of launch day watches in minutes means every single scalper is keeping a from someone else at launch day at Apple's price. You can say it's fair or that I'm absurd all you like. If scalping wasn't taking advantage it wouldn't exist.






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    04-13-2015 10:25 PM
  5. HankAZ's Avatar
    Imagine it at an extreme where scalpers were the only way to get a launch product. That will give you some idea of why I think its wrong. To me running out of launch day watches in minutes means every single scalper is keeping a from someone else at launch day at Apple's price. You can say it's fair or that I'm absurd all you like. If scalping wasn't taking advantage it wouldn't exist.
    Seriously? Have you ever seen an Apple launch of ANY product? They always sell out within minutes (sometimes hours, but still, they sell out very quickly). I suppose only "scalpers" (others have already explained why that term is incorrect) purchase iPhones or iPads at launch, too?
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    04-13-2015 10:28 PM
  6. Scatabrain's Avatar
    I have played the game at every launch and battled scalpers at each. The only reason scalpers aren't more effective is the purchase limit. The guy buying 25 phones at launch is pushing back availability for at least 24 people for a profit. That's why you won't wait in line this time and you have an order limit. Those restrictions are there to combat scalping. I have had my own methods to get launch day phones. I have to because of scalpers. Glad Apple limited scalping by setting it up this way.


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    04-13-2015 10:50 PM
  7. Audizine's Avatar
    I would never do it but...
    If you do one or two... I don't think is wrong.. now... when you have those chinese people buying 10+... that makes me mad.. especially when I went to Target for Black Friday and the 3 chinese people were in front of me and they were buying at least 30 iPad Minis right in front of me.. they took all the stock and that's what I wanted to buy.
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    04-13-2015 10:59 PM
  8. HankAZ's Avatar
    I would never do it but...
    If you do one or two... I don't think is wrong.. now... when you have those chinese people buying 10+... that makes me mad.. especially when I went to Target for Black Friday and the 3 chinese people were in front of me and they were buying at least 30 iPad Minis right in front of me.. they took all the stock and that's what I wanted to buy.
    What's the difference between "one or two" and "Chinese people buying 10+"? It's either wrong or it's not. And not sure what race or nationality has to do with it in any regard.
    04-13-2015 11:03 PM
  9. Scatabrain's Avatar
    I would never do it but...
    If you do one or two... I don't think is wrong.. now... when you have those chinese people buying 10+... that makes me mad.. especially when I went to Target for Black Friday and the 3 chinese people were in front of me and they were buying at least 30 iPad Minis right in front of me.. they took all the stock and that's what I wanted to buy.
    Maybe I'm idealistic. I feel the same way for 2 watches scalped as I do seeing the guy on launch day with a big pile of phones. They are both wrong.


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    04-13-2015 11:04 PM
  10. Audizine's Avatar
    What's the difference between "one or two" and "Chinese people buying 10+"? It's either wrong or it's not. And not sure what race or nationality has to do with it in any regard.
    Is just in my opinion.. If you're wiling to spend the extra time to stand in line to get an extra phone/watch or whatever to make a quick profit, and there is people out there willing to pay premium money just to have it on first day of launch but don't have the time to stand in line... why not?
    Now the scalpers, I don't like because they bring their whole family and they buy a lot of them, and by that running down the stock, so many people that were standing in line won't be able to get it. And I say chinese because 95% of the scalpers are chinese and the one experience I had with scalpers, they were chinese.
    04-13-2015 11:13 PM
  11. Scatabrain's Avatar
    There is something to the Chinese market (or was). But scalpers are from everywhere.


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    04-13-2015 11:19 PM
  12. SeanHRCC's Avatar
    Maybe I'm idealistic. I feel the same way for 2 watches scalped as I do seeing the guy on launch day with a big pile of phones. They are both wrong.


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    No actually, they are not wrong. Not even in the slightest.

    You have no idea what a person buying 10 iPhones or 10 Apple Watches or 10 concert tickets is doing with those...NONE. When the iPad Mini was first released, the company my wife co-owns bought 8 of them for use by the company to better streamline various processes and, quite honestly, because they were cool things to buy to replace the need to lug around tons of laptops when they didn't really need them.

    By your logic, you would have categorized them as "scalpers" and you would have been pissed because they bought 8 iPads when other people weren't able to get even one. Flawed logic if there ever was any. And so what if they decide they'd rather sell those iPads after receiving them vs. keeping them and using them? Who are you to define what a person does with their money?

    You're beyond idealistic...you've got a horrible entitlement mentality. You feel that every person should have an equal chance to get a consumer product at the same price and at the same time...and that is absolutely hilarious to me. You are so detached from reality that you actually think that opposing scenarios are, by your own definition, "WRONG".

    I mean why stop there? By your (lack of) logic, the person who camps out for days to get the first iPhone is "wrong" because the person who has to work those days isn't able to do the same thing. I mean it's not fair that someone is in a better situation to capitalize on a product launch when other people cannot...right?

    And let me be clear here...I don't think you're being ridiculous because you don't like it when people go buy a crate full of these products to sell after the fact for a profit, and Apple has addressed that issue (as you said) by putting limitations on the number you can purchase in that regard. You're being absurd because you're calling ANY sale of the product for a higher price "scalping"...not only are you using the word incorrectly, but who are you to tell a person who buys a product for themself what they do with said product?
    04-13-2015 11:35 PM
  13. Scatabrain's Avatar
    Not going to repeat myself. Not really sure why anyone would bother to defend scalping.


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    04-13-2015 11:39 PM
  14. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    Someone must really hate Stubhub.
    04-13-2015 11:44 PM
  15. Scatabrain's Avatar
    Someone must really hate Stubhub.
    Sure do.


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    04-13-2015 11:45 PM
  16. HankAZ's Avatar
    04-13-2015 11:46 PM
  17. Scatabrain's Avatar
    Also really hate Ticketmaster.


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    04-13-2015 11:47 PM
  18. HankAZ's Avatar
    Someone must really hate Stubhub.
    Sure do.
    Why? Because it's a way for me to sell my tickets that otherwise will go unused to someone who wants them and will use them? Utilizing the "if I can't use them, no one can" meme, who's exhibiting exclusivity and greed now?
    04-13-2015 11:48 PM
  19. Scatabrain's Avatar
    Why? Because it's a way for me to sell my tickets that otherwise will go unused to someone who wants them and will use them? Utilizing the "if I can't use them, no one can" meme, who's exhibiting exclusivity and greed now?
    Don't mind that at all. Just like if your partner got mad about preorder and you had to sell it, fine. The problem is buying it for profit.


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    04-13-2015 11:53 PM
  20. Scatabrain's Avatar
    None of the legit resell examples excuse scalping.


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    04-13-2015 11:57 PM
  21. jean15paul's Avatar
    I would never do it but...
    If you do one or two... I don't think is wrong.. now... when you have those chinese people buying 10+... that makes me mad.. especially when I went to Target for Black Friday and the 3 chinese people were in front of me and they were buying at least 30 iPad Minis right in front of me.. they took all the stock and that's what I wanted to buy.
    I want to give the benefit of the doubt, but "those Chinese people" sound pretty prejudice.
    04-14-2015 12:08 AM
  22. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    Also really hate Ticketmaster.


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    Why? They sell at face value.
    04-14-2015 12:08 AM
  23. Beyond Fire's Avatar
    None of the legit resell examples excuse scalping.


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    I'm gonna do it with a smile on my face and I'll make sure to think of you when I'm cashing in


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    04-14-2015 12:18 AM
  24. Scatabrain's Avatar
    Why? They sell at face value.
    Maybe you are ok paying surcharges, convenience fees and order processing fees but I am not. Ticketmaster is organized scalping.


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    04-14-2015 12:21 AM
  25. BreakingKayfabe's Avatar
    Maybe you are ok paying surcharges, convenience fees and order processing fees but I am not. Ticketmaster is organized scalping.


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    I'm okay not being a cheapskate and paying a little extra for convenience.
    04-14-2015 12:23 AM
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